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Thin Glaciers Get Thinner in Antarctica
Reuters ^ | 9/24/2004 | Maggie Fox

Posted on 09/24/2004 12:01:10 PM PDT by TChris

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Some of Antarctica's glaciers are melting faster than snow can replace them, enough to raise sea levels measurably, scientists reported on Friday.

Measurements of glaciers flowing into the Amundsen Sea, on the Pacific Ocean side of Antarctica, show they are melting much faster than in recent years and could break up.

And they contain more ice than was previously estimated, meaning they could raise sea level by more than predicted, the international team of researchers writes in the journal Science.

"The ... Amundsen Sea glaciers contain enough ice to raise sea level by 1.3 meters (4 feet)," the researchers wrote in their report.

"Our measurements show them collectively to be 60 percent out of balance, sufficient to raise sea level by 0.24 mm (nearly 0.01 inch) per year," they added.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antarctica; climatechange; environmental; environmentalism; environmentalist; glacier; glaciers; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; meltdown
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1 posted on 09/24/2004 12:01:11 PM PDT by TChris
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To: TChris

Women and minorities expected to be hit hardest. It's Bush's fault.


2 posted on 09/24/2004 12:01:55 PM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: TChris

Kool! I wanna see what's underneath them.


3 posted on 09/24/2004 12:02:18 PM PDT by koolaidsmile ("Too weird to live, Too rare to die.")
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To: TChris

Works for me. Sea level goes up, it'll be easier to get a mooring in Marblehead :)


4 posted on 09/24/2004 12:04:09 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (Vietnam Veterans Reconciliation Day - 02NOV2004.)
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To: TChris

Thin glaciers cause hurricanes, killing thousands of innocent women and cute little babies; All Bush's fault; Film at eleven.


5 posted on 09/24/2004 12:04:49 PM PDT by Thrusher (The timing of this post is suspicious.)
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To: TChris

Amazingly, we are not underwater yet....


6 posted on 09/24/2004 12:05:01 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: TChris

Call me in 100 years when the sea level is an inch higher ...


7 posted on 09/24/2004 12:05:20 PM PDT by dartuser
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To: TChris

Ice is just shifting elsewhere such as the pacific northwest, because at the at the same time glaciers are growing in California and the once hot and fiery caldera on MT St, Helens is now covered in 600 feet of ice


8 posted on 09/24/2004 12:06:35 PM PDT by seastay
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To: TChris

This article is on thin ice in such a board.


9 posted on 09/24/2004 12:08:46 PM PDT by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: TChris
"sufficient to raise sea level by 0.24 mm (nearly 0.01 inch) per year"

1/100 of an inch a year? So in 100 years the sea will rise ONE INCH?

Forgive if I don't get in the life boat yet....

10 posted on 09/24/2004 12:09:32 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: TChris
Didn't Global Warming thaw the Ice Age enabling Man to evolve into the Beast he is today!
Isn't that what they teach in college today?
11 posted on 09/24/2004 12:10:40 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: dfwgator

I figured this would get some great responses! ...and I am not disappointed. :^)


12 posted on 09/24/2004 12:10:54 PM PDT by TChris (Why can't anyone manage to prosecute and imprison traitor politicians?)
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To: TChris
Try this experiment...

Place a lot of ice cubes in a bowl (large salad bowl), then fill with water until the ice floats.

When the water over flows the bowl, that's when you can panic, It won't happen though. It's called Displacement. The ice floating in the water already has taken the space of the melt water that will replace the area the ice has taken up. Water level will not increase.

13 posted on 09/24/2004 12:11:42 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I am not late for Zots, I have stealth Zot capability.....)
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To: TChris
Thin Glaciers Get Thinner in Antarctica.

Luckily, the thick ones are simultaneously getting thicker...

14 posted on 09/24/2004 12:11:55 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: TChris

I heard somewhere that the ice on the opposite side of Antartica is growing thicker.


15 posted on 09/24/2004 12:12:12 PM PDT by NorseWood
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To: TChris

It's happening on Mars too...

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/DailyNews/mars011207.html

Those damn rovers...


16 posted on 09/24/2004 12:12:43 PM PDT by bjmorris
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To: dartuser

caught that too huh.

EEK EEK sea levels may rise 4 FEET!!!! in 4800 YEARS!!!


17 posted on 09/24/2004 12:13:02 PM PDT by commish (Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

Thank you. I was just going to post the same thing - you saved me the trouble.

I swear, people must just love to have something to panic about.


18 posted on 09/24/2004 12:14:11 PM PDT by flashbunny (How do you tell which polls are right? Simple. Just look at how the Kerry campaign is acting.)
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To: TChris
Source:


19 posted on 09/24/2004 12:15:07 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: flashbunny

Hehe, P.T. Barnum said it all, "there's a sucker born every minute".


20 posted on 09/24/2004 12:15:09 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I am not late for Zots, I have stealth Zot capability.....)
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To: koolaidsmile
Thin Glaciers Get Thinner...

And, Johnny's get'n laaaarger

21 posted on 09/24/2004 12:15:41 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Water level will not increase.

Actually, it will increase, these are ANTARCTIC Glaciers, which means they are on LAND. They are not currently displacing the oceans.

Having said that, I dont know why anybody expected the earth to remain constant, it is always undergoing change..

22 posted on 09/24/2004 12:15:43 PM PDT by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: bjmorris
Of course, it's because they sent four-wheel-drive martian rovers (or, more commonly, SUV martian rovers) which are notorious for their emission of greenhouse gasses.
23 posted on 09/24/2004 12:16:31 PM PDT by TChris (Why can't anyone manage to prosecute and imprison traitor politicians?)
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To: TChris

I think I'm gonna go buy a big-ass SUV and drive around all weekend to celebrate.


24 posted on 09/24/2004 12:17:04 PM PDT by GaltMeister (I'm just a Pajamahadeen cog in the wheels of the VRWC.)
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To: Paradox

If the Antartic Glaciers are thinning, it is due to evaporation. Just as water is evaporating from the oceans, at the same rate. Water always finds it's level, so where it is lacking, it will fill up, the sahara dessert will finally become a rain forrest.


25 posted on 09/24/2004 12:18:42 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I am not late for Zots, I have stealth Zot capability.....)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
In addition, water is the only substance on earth that contracts as it melts. Therefore, the volume of space occupied by a melted ice cube is less than the volume of space that it occupied when it was a cube.

Having said that, there is no reason to assume that melting glaciers would have no impact on sea level. When the glacier is frozen, the water isn't in the sea -- so when it melts, the water flows down and increases the volume of the body of water underneath it.

26 posted on 09/24/2004 12:18:56 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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To: TChris
You better stop scaring me like this!

I read your post and ran for the refigerator. The ice bucket was full.

This must be a local phenomenon.

27 posted on 09/24/2004 12:19:43 PM PDT by G.Mason (Mr. Rather ... do you have any last words?... No? ... you may put the black hood on him executioner.)
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To: NorseWood

Oh, great. Now the planet is going to wobble like a bent dredl.


28 posted on 09/24/2004 12:20:42 PM PDT by patton (Die Frau haette sich keine Sorgen dabai, aber meine Freundin wuerde mich sofort um die Ecke bringen!)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Place a lot of ice cubes in a bowl (large salad bowl), then fill with water until the ice floats. When the water over flows the bowl, that's when you can panic, It won't happen though. It's called Displacement. The ice floating in the water already has taken the space of the melt water that will replace the area the ice has taken up. Water level will not increase.

Actually, to make the experiment more analogous to earth, you would need to place some rocks in the salad bowl with the tops of the rocks protruding above the top of the water, and then put some of the ice on top of those rocks and not just in the water. That way, when the ice on top of the rocks melts, the salad bowl will over-flow.

29 posted on 09/24/2004 12:21:59 PM PDT by spodefly (A bunny-slippered operative in the Vast Right-Wing Pajama Party.)
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To: TChris

Just one eensy-teensy problem with the nut jobs posing as scientists: http://www.john-daly.com/


30 posted on 09/24/2004 12:22:15 PM PDT by branch1
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To: farmfriend


31 posted on 09/24/2004 12:22:37 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: TChris; RadioAstronomer; Physicist

It'd be great if we ended up in another ice age.
I'd personally laugh about it.
Last I read, the previous Ice Age was supposedly preceded by a marked rise in global temp before crashing.
And this was long before the eee-vil SUV and long before man fiddled with coal or other fuels.
*chuckle*
There are guys here who are versed in this stuff, so I'll ping some guys who are likely to knwo, or know someone who does.

I suspect that the Earth is doing it's normal cycle of shifting weather patterns.
Similar to precession of the constellations, Earth's climate also shifts.
There are places in Africa that used to get monsoon rains, monsoon rains that now occur many miles further east.
So I'm not surprised by glaciers melting away in one place or another.

Astronomer, Physicist, anything you guys have run across on this at all, or anyone you know run across this stuff lately?


32 posted on 09/24/2004 12:23:01 PM PDT by Darksheare (Liberalism is political domestic abuse.)
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To: spodefly

For antartica yes, but for the Artic, no...


33 posted on 09/24/2004 12:25:01 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I am not late for Zots, I have stealth Zot capability.....)
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To: AnalogReigns

Not time to be beach front property in Antartica either.


34 posted on 09/24/2004 12:25:56 PM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: Darksheare
Hey Dark...you did it again...so I'll ping some guys who are likely to knwo
35 posted on 09/24/2004 12:26:27 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I am not late for Zots, I have stealth Zot capability.....)
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To: TChris
Time to invest in South-pole timeshares.
36 posted on 09/24/2004 12:26:52 PM PDT by FFIGHTER
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To: Darksheare

Here's a good article on the subject:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123013,00.html


37 posted on 09/24/2004 12:27:52 PM PDT by TChris (Why can't anyone manage to prosecute and imprison traitor politicians?)
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To: Darksheare

From some Physic Profs in Col. they said if all of the water on and above the earth were to suddenly combine, the water level could be 6 feet above mount everest.


38 posted on 09/24/2004 12:28:25 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I am not late for Zots, I have stealth Zot capability.....)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

Typo demon!!
I'll have to find him and crush him soemtiem!
(sometime)


39 posted on 09/24/2004 12:29:14 PM PDT by Darksheare (Liberalism is political domestic abuse.)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

...and another good article:

http://www.junkscience.com/july04/Daily_Mail-Bellamy.htm


40 posted on 09/24/2004 12:30:13 PM PDT by TChris (Why can't anyone manage to prosecute and imprison traitor politicians?)
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To: TChris
No need to worry ... surely when the sky falls it will keep the sea level from rising too far!
41 posted on 09/24/2004 12:30:22 PM PDT by Freedom_Isn't_Free (in fact, it isn't even cheap)
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To: spodefly
place some rocks in the salad bowl with the tops of the rocks protruding above the top of the water, and then put some of the ice on top of those rocks and not just in the water. That way, when the ice on top of the rocks melts, the salad bowl will over-flow.

Mmmmm! Sounds Atkins friendly! I'm using iceberg lettuce, but which dressing should I use?

42 posted on 09/24/2004 12:31:06 PM PDT by koolaidsmile ("Too weird to live, Too rare to die.")
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To: patton

and we have this to worry about too..

http://dept.physics.upenn.edu/~heiney/jokes/dihydride.html


43 posted on 09/24/2004 12:31:21 PM PDT by myrabach
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To: Darksheare

Yeah, I think this round of global warming started something like 300 years ago, so the only question is whether or not man is having an additional effect on it.

I believe the majority of the scientific community thinks not, but the majority of the media and Hollywood thinks yes.


44 posted on 09/24/2004 12:32:08 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

Coolbeans.
The Sherpa's could fish for sea bass.. from Everest's peak.. while underwater..


45 posted on 09/24/2004 12:32:25 PM PDT by Darksheare (Liberalism is political domestic abuse.)
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To: seastay

"the once hot and fiery caldera on MT St, Helens is now covered in 600 feet of ice"

Really? Are you joking or is it really snow cover now??


46 posted on 09/24/2004 12:32:25 PM PDT by pepperdog
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To: Darksheare

http://www.john-daly.com/


47 posted on 09/24/2004 12:32:33 PM PDT by branch1
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To: koolaidsmile
I'm using iceberg lettuce, but which dressing should I use?

French. :)

48 posted on 09/24/2004 12:32:55 PM PDT by spodefly (A bunny-slippered operative in the Vast Right-Wing Pajama Party.)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

"Try this experiment...
Place a lot of ice cubes in a bowl (large salad bowl), then fill with water until the ice floats.

When the water over flows the bowl, that's when you can panic, It won't happen though. It's called Displacement. The ice floating in the water already has taken the space of the melt water that will replace the area the ice has taken up. Water level will not increase."

Which is true in the Arctic where all of the ice floats on water. A few months ago the global warming weenies said North Pole ice floes were melting and the world was doomed. Ten year old kids knew they were wrong.

So they moved their fallacious argument to the South Pole where about 70% of the ice is above sea level. It still ain't gonna happen, but the logic isn't so fatally flawed as with their last fairy tale.


49 posted on 09/24/2004 12:33:30 PM PDT by PeterFinn ("John Kerry is a flip-flopper and a phony" - Howell Raines quoted in the Wash. Post)
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To: TChris

Good one!


50 posted on 09/24/2004 12:33:50 PM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (I am not late for Zots, I have stealth Zot capability.....)
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