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Schwarzenegger signs hate crimes law [protecting gays, transgendered]
PlanetOut Network via Yahoo! News ^ | 9/24/04

Posted on 09/24/2004 6:29:46 PM PDT by Cracker72

PlanetOut Network

SUMMARY: California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (news - web sites) signed a hate crimes bill on Wednesday that includes crimes motivated by a person's sexual orientation or gender identity.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a hate crimes bill on Wednesday that includes crimes motivated by a person's sexual orientation or gender identity.

It was the second time this month that Schwarzenegger, a Republican, signed legislation that protects the rights of LGBT residents in the state. He signed a law on Sept. 13 that required insurance companies to provide coverage to registered domestic partners.

Known as the Omnibus Hate Crimes Act of 2004 (or SB 1234), the new law creates a uniform definition of a hate crime that includes offenses based on sexual orientation and gender identity. It also covers crimes against victims based on their associations with people who are gay or transgender.

"California is working to unify its citizens as others attempt to divide us," Cheryl Jacques, president of the Washington, D.C.-based Human Rights Campaign, said in a statement. "We hope this welcome development acts as a beacon to Congress to take similar steps in protecting gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Americans from the scourge of hate crimes."

The U.S. House of Representatives was expected to begin considering a similar national hate crimes law, known as the Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act (LLEEA, S. 966/H.R. 4204), later this week.

The Log Cabin Republicans (news - web sites), the nation's largest gay and lesbian GOP group, reacted to the new law as a victory for the moderate side of the Republican Party.

"We can be the party of the Gov. Schwarzenegger that includes equality for the LGBT community, as part of a mainstream Republican message of hope, not fear, or we can be the party of Lou Sheldon and Alan Keyes (news - web sites), that divides our families by preaching intolerance and hate," said Jeff Bissiri, chairman of Log Cabin California.

California's new hate crimes law was written by Sen. Sheila Kuehl, D-Santa Monica, and sponsored by Equality California, the statewide LGBT rights group.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: applecomputer; callegislation; gay; governator; hatecrimes; homosexual; homosexualagenda; macuser; schwarzenegger; thoughtcrimes; thoughtpolice; transgendered; transsexuals
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1 posted on 09/24/2004 6:29:47 PM PDT by Cracker72
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To: Cracker72

crap.


2 posted on 09/24/2004 6:30:22 PM PDT by KOZ. (i'm so bad i should be in detention)
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To: Cracker72
I was just doing some reading about Reagan found this picture thought i would share it


3 posted on 09/24/2004 6:31:57 PM PDT by FesterUSMC
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To: Cracker72

The gay activists are the divisive and extreme ones with their hatred, intolerance and bigotry against traditional religious believers.


4 posted on 09/24/2004 6:32:13 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Cracker72

Why doesn't he pass a law protecting white males like me against crimes? Anyone have the number to ACL-Useless?


5 posted on 09/24/2004 6:32:25 PM PDT by zkbeta51
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To: Cracker72
No, you guys, this is just the right thing to do. For too long now it's been perfectly legal to assault, even murder, homosexuals.

This was simply a long-overlooked loophole in the law and Schwarzenegger was perfectly right to close it. FINALLY, it's against the law to assault or murder a homosexual! ;-)

6 posted on 09/24/2004 6:32:33 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Cracker72

I hate the "gays" and the transgendered! Wanna start a hate group?


7 posted on 09/24/2004 6:34:10 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Dr. Frank fan

You forgot the /sarcasm


8 posted on 09/24/2004 6:36:45 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Cracker72

I've always felt I was a lesbian trapped in a man's body.


9 posted on 09/24/2004 6:37:08 PM PDT by NavVet (“Benedeict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: Cracker72

A crime is a crime, what the actor has on his mind is impossible to know or guess.


10 posted on 09/24/2004 6:37:30 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rather calls Saddam "Mister President" and calls President Bush "bush")
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To: Dr. Frank fan

Is this tongue in cheek?


11 posted on 09/24/2004 6:37:35 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: Cracker72
I Hate Crime, period.
12 posted on 09/24/2004 6:38:11 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: All

You guys are such bigots. Apologize to all the gay FReepers and give it a rest.


13 posted on 09/24/2004 6:39:33 PM PDT by annyokie (Now with 20% More Infidel!)
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To: Cracker72

what do long cabins have to do with being gay???


14 posted on 09/24/2004 6:39:42 PM PDT by escapefromboston
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To: Revolting cat!

The way your post is beiong received, Doctor, I expect mine is being reported to the highest authorities!


15 posted on 09/24/2004 6:39:45 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Cracker72

RINO.


16 posted on 09/24/2004 6:40:33 PM PDT by ikka
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
What are you guys talking about? You didn't know it was perfectly legal to assault or kill a homosexual or transgender person in California? Wow you're behind the times. ;-)

(Let me repeat that winky smiley face so you UNDERSTAND-- ;-)

17 posted on 09/24/2004 6:40:42 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Cracker72
Aren't we all guaranteed equal protection under the laws or was that merely a technicality forfeited at the alter of diversity?
18 posted on 09/24/2004 6:42:41 PM PDT by kdot
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To: Dr. Frank fan

# 15 was to ya! And oh, welcome to the humourless zone.


19 posted on 09/24/2004 6:44:26 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: Cracker72
You know I don't have an issue with this law being passed. Why? Murder is murder...all people should go through the legal system if they kill because of knee jerk reactions to their own beliefs. And no I am not talking about self defense. Or defense for our country. I am speaking of killing because of a difference in what we believe. No one should die being beat to death or being dragged for miles chained to a truck. Terrorists behead people for being something other than what falls in their own spiritual beliefs. I myself will pray for those who want it and/or need it.
20 posted on 09/24/2004 6:49:35 PM PDT by LadyShallott ("An armed society is a polite society."~Robert A. Heinlein)
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The Log Cabin Republicans (news - web sites), the nation's largest gay and lesbian GOP group, reacted to the new law as a victory for the moderate side of the Republican Party.

Who'da thunk?

The "moderate side of the Republican Party" has been pushing for Gay Rights Legislation?

21 posted on 09/24/2004 6:51:55 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: All
Legislative Update 09/24/2004

Governor Schwarzenegger signed 44 bills and vetoed 29 bills.

Bills Signed:

SB 96 by Senator Dede Alpert (D-San Diego) - Public water systems: fluoridation.

SB 1163 by Senator Joseph Dunn (D-Santa Ana) - Utilities.

SB 1196 by Senator Gil Cedillo (D-Los Angeles) - Health care applications.

SB 1273 by Senator Jack Scott (D-Altadena) - Insurance: misrepresentations.

SB 1289 by Senator Mike Machado (D-Linden) - Sex offenders.

SB 1334 by Senator Sheila Kuehl (D-Santa Monica) - Oak woodlands conservation: environmental quality.

SB 1342 by Senator Jackie Speier (D-Hillsborough) - Inspector General.

SB 1352 by Senator Gloria Romero (D-Los Angeles) - Inspector General: Youth and Adult Correctional Agency.

SB 1355 by Senator Sam Aanestad (R-Grass Valley) - Clinical laboratories: cytotechnologists.

SB 1400 by Senator Gloria Romero (D-Los Angeles) - Corrections: Internal Affairs.

SB 1415 by Senator James Brulte (R-Rancho Cucamonga) - Postsecondary education: Donahoe Higher Education Act: common course numbering system.

SB 1431 by Senator Jackie Speier (D-Hillsborough) - Department of Corrections: code of conduct.

SB 1464 by Senator Betty Karnette (D-Long Beach) - Public contracts.

SB 1544 by Senator Liz Figueroa (D-Sunol) - Private postsecondary education: Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education Reform Act of 1989.

SB 1678 by Senator Joseph Dunn (D-Santa Ana) - Statutes of limitation: damages: sexual abuse of a minor.

SB 1691 by Senator John Vasconcellos (D-Santa Clara) - Physicians and surgeons: alternative or complementary medicine.

SB 1785 by Senator Jack Scott (D-Altadena) - Public postsecondary education: transfer requirements.

SB 1889 by Committee on Environmental Quality - Environmental protection: actions against a public agency.

AB 488 by Assemblymember Nicole Parra (D-Hanford) - Sex offenders.

AB 800 by Assemblymember Christine Kehoe (D-San Diego) - California Coastal Commission.

AB 854 by Assemblymember Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood)- Crime.

AB 939 by Assemblymember Leland Yee (D-San Francisco) - Psychiatric inpatient hospital services: reimbursement.

AB 1020 by Assemblymember Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento) - Flood control: local cooperation.

AB 1298 by Assemblymember Loni Hancock (D-Berkeley) - Genetically Handicapped Person's Program: California Children's Services Program: contracts: confidentiality.

AB 1499 by Assemblymember Carol Liu (D-La Canada Flintridge) - Child pornography.

AB 1721 by Assemblymember Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood)- Prices: overcharges.

AB 1733 by Assemblymember Sarah Reyes (D-Fresno) - Telecommunications: selling or licensing lists of subscribers.

AB 1836 by Assemblymember Tom Harman (R-Huntington Beach) - Common interest developments: dispute resolution.

AB 1878 by Assemblymember Wilma Chan (D-Oakland) - Motor scooters.

AB 1975 by Assemblymember Rudy Bermudez (D-Norwalk) - Physicians and surgeons.

AB 1987 by Assemblymember Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento) - High Priority Schools Grant Program.

AB 2193 by Assemblymember Joe Nation (D-San Rafael) - Tanning facilities.

AB 2303 by Assemblymember Mark Leno (D-San Francisco) - Public utilities: executive bonuses.

AB 2312 by Assemblymember John Dutra (D-Fremont) - Point-of-sale devices.

AB 2395 by Assemblymember Lou Correa (D-Santa Ana) - Sex offenders.

AB 2531 by Assemblymember Patricia Bates (R-Laguna Niguel) - Child abuse reporting.

AB 2565 by Assemblymember Nicole Parra (D-Hanford) - Economic development.

AB 2672 by Assemblymember Joseph Simitian (D-Palo Alto) - Large passenger vessels: sewage.

AB 2677 by Assemblymember Mark Ridley-Thomas (D-Los Angeles) - Auto insurance: cost estimates.

AB 2718 by Assemblymember John Laird (D-Santa Cruz) - Common interest developments.

AB 2758 by Assemblymember Patty Berg (D-Eureka) - Telecommunications: grants to areas not served by local exchange carriers.

AB 2857 by Assemblymember John Laird (D-Santa Cruz) - Property taxation: assessment reduction applications.

AB 3042 by Assemblymember Leland Yee (D-San Francisco) - Sentencing.

AB 3044 by Assemblymember Leland Yee (D-San Francisco) - Prenatal ultrasounds.

Bills vetoed:

SB 37 by Senator Joseph Dunn (D-Santa Ana) - Victims of wrongful or coerced repatriation.

SB 905 by Senator Wesley Chesbro (D-Arcata) - Educational enrichment: concurrent enrollment of pupils in high school and community college.

SB 1341 by Senator Sheila Kuehl (D-Santa Monica) - Telemedicine.

SB 1380 by Senator Martha Escutia (D-Whittier) - Instructional materials.

SB 1399 by Senator John Vasconcellos (D-Santa Clara) - Prisoners: rehabilitation.

SB 1423 by Senator James Brulte (R-Rancho Cucamonga) - Charter schools: Riverside Unified School District charter high school.

SB 1508 by Senator Denise Ducheny (D-San Diego) - Real property loans: restrictions: code violations.

SB 1824 by Senator Denise Ducheny (D-San Diego) - Clinics: licensure.

SB 1850 by Senator Mike Machado (D-Linden) - Medi-Cal.

AB 366 by Assemblymember Gene Mullin (D-South San Francisco) - Child care: substitute employee registry.

AB 517 by Assemblymember Jenny Oropeza (D-Long Beach) - Vehicles: automated enforcement system.

AB 711 by Assemblymember Lou Correa (D-Santa Ana) - Private postsecondary education: Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education Reform Act of 1989.

AB 736 by Assemblymember Loni Hancock (D-Berkeley) - School facilities.

AB 750 by Assemblymember Barbara Matthews (D-Tracy) - Medi-Cal: durable medical equipment.

AB 1383 by Assemblymember Herb Wesson (D-Culver City) - Antiterrorism: Antiterrorism Fund.

AB 1486 by Assemblymember John Dutra (D-Fremont) - School facilities: lease-leaseback contracts.

AB 1897 by Assemblymember Sarah Reyes (D-Fresno) - School district governing boards: pupil members.

AB 1946 by Assemblymember Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento) - Sentencing.

AB 1963 by Assemblymember Simon Salinas (D-Salinas) - Public health outreach: promotores de salud.

AB 2086 by Assemblymember Sally Lieber (D-Mountain View) - Medi-Cal: provider enrollment.

AB 2106 by Assemblymember Mark Ridley-Thomas (D-Los Angeles) - State government: tax expenditures report.

AB 2189 by Assemblymember Judy Chu (D- Monterey Park) - Immigration consultants: corporate surety bonds.

AB 2295 by Assemblymember Loni Hancock (D-Berkeley) - Academic and career exploration plan.

AB 2416 by Assemblymember Jackie Goldberg (D-Los Angeles) - Reading First Plan.

AB 2705 by Assemblymember Jackie Goldberg (D-Los Angeles) - Crimes: grand theft.

AB 2742 by Assemblymember Dennis Mountjoy (R-Monrovia) - Prisons: medical treatment.

AB 2744 by Assemblymember Jackie Goldberg (D-Los Angeles) - Content standards.

AB 2868 by Assemblymember Fabian Nunez (D-Los Angeles) - Refund Anticipation Loan Act.

AB 2930 by Assemblymember Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood)- Public safety officers: discipline.


22 posted on 09/24/2004 6:52:44 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: Cracker72

Freedom for all except smokers. Warning: freepers cant be far behind.


23 posted on 09/24/2004 6:58:15 PM PDT by backyourbeliefs
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To: Cracker72

Somebody please explain your opposition to this law. If an individual is convicted of a particular crime, this law would simply increase penalties if the crime was motivated solely on the basis of sexuality or gender. The intent of the law is to reduce the incidence of hate-based crimes. The law doesn't grant any additional rights to homosexuals or transgendered freaks.


24 posted on 09/24/2004 6:58:18 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: Cracker72
I received e-mails indicating that this bill would make teaching on biblical passages against homosexuality a hate crime and subject pastors to arrest. I haven't read the legislation, but that would be a pretty serious impact if it's true.
25 posted on 09/24/2004 7:00:14 PM PDT by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: Cracker72

XXXXXXX thought control police alert XXXXXX


26 posted on 09/24/2004 7:01:53 PM PDT by modest proposal
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To: Cracker72

What a crock of cr*p, literally. He is falling for Orwell's world of "thought crimes"! The Founding Father's would be turning in their graves.

Arnold, YOU are making unconstitutional law. People have the right of association and the RIGHT of FREEDOM of Religion, WHICH means they CAN judge people's behavior and deem it immoral. Homosexuality is a choice and immoral and you are forcing it into the schools so that our children will be brainwashed and taught to "accept" the selfish hedonism of a few.



27 posted on 09/24/2004 7:07:29 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: Bush2000

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1195649/posts

California's Hate Crimes Expansion: Dangerous To Christians?
Crosswalk.com ^ | 8/18/04 | Jody Brown
Posted on 08/20/2004 11:02:13 AM PDT by dukeman

The "thought police" may soon be roaming the corridors of businesses and schools in California, in search of people who have been accused of uttering "hate speech" toward homosexuals. Several Christian activists in the Golden State are concerned that that indeed could be the scenario if Senate Bill 1234 becomes law.

The intent of SB 1234 is to redefine what constitutes a "hate crime" in California. In general, hate crimes laws create different classes of victims, seeking greater punishments for crimes committed against one class of people -- such as homosexuals -- over other victims. Under this legislation, individuals could claim that someone expressing their deeply held beliefs, whether political or religious, presents an "intimidating" threat that is punishable.

(snip)


http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3314

"Hate Crimes" Law Undermines Protection of Individual Rights
by Robert W. Tracinski (November 16, 2003)

Summary: The creation of a special category of "hate crimes"--should be resoundingly rejected. It is an attempt to import into America's legal system a class of crimes formerly reserved only to dictatorships: political crimes. Instead, we should insist on the one principle that forms the foundation for the protection of all rights, i.e., that the purpose of law is to punish criminals for initiating force against others--not for holding bad ideas.

(snip)


28 posted on 09/24/2004 7:07:47 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

Fearmongering nonsense. Speech ain't criminal (unless it rises to the level of yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theater). Sure, there will be test cases by GLAAD and other groups -- but they will fail. The First Amendment supercedes this law.


29 posted on 09/24/2004 7:24:42 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: savagesusie

Does this mean a homosexual "spat" would be considered a hate crime.....? What kind of crime ISN'T a "hate" crime? Go ahead let them get married, just make it illegal to get DIVORCED!


30 posted on 09/24/2004 7:35:06 PM PDT by melchisedec
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To: LadyShallott

You say "Murder is murder", with which I agree, and which is why "hate crime" laws are not necessary.


31 posted on 09/24/2004 7:41:59 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: Cracker72

The provisions of this law are very similar to those alrwady in place in Sweden and Canada. In the coming months, we can expect to see ministers charged with "incitement" for reading scriptural passages in the course of a sermon that are less than flattering to homosexuals. Imams of the "Religion of Peace" will not be targeted, of course.

Schwarzenegger has just proved himself to be a useless, spineless RINO.


32 posted on 09/24/2004 7:50:37 PM PDT by Bogolyubski
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To: GATOR NAVY

Agreed just the same. But these laws make sure that there are no loop holes I suppose and I support criminals being in jail for a longer term with specific laws. Any law that gets creeps off the street for a long period of time I support. I guess that's just me. I absolutely agree with you. :)


33 posted on 09/24/2004 7:52:24 PM PDT by LadyShallott ("An armed society is a polite society."~Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: All

Arnie is a much shrewder politician than we give him credit for. He knows his constituency. There's a reason he has stratospheric approval ratings. If we are going to be a majority party, a governing party, we have to understand that not all of our members are going to agree on every issue. The Democrats moved this country leftward for decades by fracturing the opposition and running candidates that appealed to the voters in their region, even if they were nothing like on another (P.J. O'Rourke used to quip that Lloyd Bentsen was a democrat because his ties to big business were too embarassing for the Republicans). Let Arnie sign legislation like that in California, while people like me in Texas don't have to worry about it. That's federalism. Arnie supported Bush and helped tremendously at the convention, supports tax relief and is clearly pro-free market, is patriotic and supports a strong national defense, and just vetoed the bill the dems sent up to give driver's licenses to illegal aliens. I think we have to accept that a California Republican may not be exactly like a Texas Republican if we are going to maintain a lasting majority. And a lasting majority is necessary if we are going to undo three decades of neo-marxist influence on our institutions.


34 posted on 09/24/2004 7:52:55 PM PDT by Hank All-American (Free Men, Free Minds, Free Markets baby!)
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To: Dr. Frank fan

Ain't that the truth.


35 posted on 09/24/2004 8:04:02 PM PDT by planekT
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To: Hank All-American
How about some Federalism then, Senator Ted Kennedy has HIS so called "hate crimes" bill known as the Local law enforcement Enhancement Act (S. 966). Under the Kennedy bill every crime that has the potential to be a "hate" crime WILL be Federalized and Federal prosecutors WILL freely intervene in local law enforcement. This bill was offered in 1997, 1999, 2001, and 2003, sounds like it runs in the family...I can hear uncle Ted now saying "I'll be back".
36 posted on 09/24/2004 8:17:46 PM PDT by melchisedec
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To: melchisedec

Kennedy is pond scum.

That said, there is a huge difference between a state government, which has plenary power, passing a law, and the federal government, which has enumerated powers, passing a law regarding which it has no claim to jurisdiction.


37 posted on 09/24/2004 8:21:12 PM PDT by Hank All-American (Free Men, Free Minds, Free Markets baby!)
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To: Hank All-American

I'll try to remember that when the Knock on the door comes somtime around 3:00 am


38 posted on 09/24/2004 8:27:59 PM PDT by melchisedec
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To: Cracker72

What about normal people?


39 posted on 09/24/2004 8:30:19 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: LadyShallott
There are already laws against murder on the books. This law is a symbolic piece of sh-t made to impress airhead females and feminized men think that Ahh-nold is "sensitive."

Man, I HATE California!

40 posted on 09/24/2004 8:30:22 PM PDT by Clemenza (I LOVE Halliburton, SUVs and Assault Weapons. Any Questions?)
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To: Bush2000
Fearmongering nonsense.

Yeah, and conservancies are a good thing (NOT!)

41 posted on 09/24/2004 8:57:27 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: Dr. Frank fan
No, you guys, this is just the right thing to do. For too long now it's been perfectly legal to assault, even murder, homosexuals.

Tell me you're joking..

42 posted on 09/24/2004 9:05:59 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Cracker72

The only time I have seen a homosexual assaulted for being a homo was when he made a pass at a straight guy that didn't appreciate it. This law is insane.


43 posted on 09/24/2004 9:10:59 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Rockitz
I received e-mails indicating that this bill would make teaching on biblical passages against homosexuality a hate crime and subject pastors to arrest. I haven't read the legislation, but that would be a pretty serious impact if it's true.

I don't think it goes that far...YET. But that is the case in Canada.

This just tells me it's the end times and these people are frantic because deep down inside they know Hell is just around the corner.

44 posted on 09/24/2004 9:11:40 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Hank All-American; calcowgirl; Grampa Dave
What? In order to gain absolute power, we're now willing to corrupt ourselves intelectually and absolutely, tollerating all sorts of collectivism, land seizures and group based laws for special victims??? What the hell is going on here???

I see the gelded era is now in full bloom!!! Especially in CA and is rapidly infecting the Republican Party. I'm gittin as mad at what was my nearly lifelong party as Zell is at his!!! In fact, I'm madder than ZELL!!!

45 posted on 09/24/2004 9:32:45 PM PDT by SierraWasp (FreeRepublic.com = A horde of Buckheads! cBS = A handful of Buttheads!!! Truth over Deception!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

Seems to be lots of folk signing up at FR this month showing
blind loyalty for misdirected politicians and their actions.
Strange phenomena ;-)

I need a bigger flyswatter.


46 posted on 09/24/2004 10:10:58 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
"Seems to be lots of folk signing up at FR this month"

This happens everytime we get a little MSM attention... amusing. (there's no "e" in amuseing, is there?)

47 posted on 09/24/2004 10:17:08 PM PDT by SierraWasp (FreeRepublic.com = A horde of Buckheads! cBS = A handful of Buttheads!!! Truth over Deception!!!)
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To: melchisedec

"What kind of crime ISN'T a "hate" crime?"

That is the whole point. We are supposed to be equal under the law. By designating SOME things as "hate crimes", you are saying that some groups are protected and worth more than me or white heterosexual males. Hate crimes wreak of unconstitutionality.


48 posted on 09/24/2004 10:31:12 PM PDT by savagesusie
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To: savagesusie
That is the whole point. We are supposed to be equal under the law. By designating SOME things as "hate crimes", you are saying that some groups are protected and worth more than me or white heterosexual males. Hate crimes wreak of unconstitutionality.

That's one interpretation. But another interpretation is that gays and transgendered freaks have traditionally gotten the shit kicked out of them by white heterosexual males -- and therefore have cause for needing more protection.
49 posted on 09/24/2004 10:39:14 PM PDT by Bush2000
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To: John Lenin
The only time I have seen a homosexual assaulted for being a homo was when he made a pass at a straight guy that didn't appreciate it. This law is insane.

Then you don't know any gay people. I have a number of gay friends who have been assaulted for no other reason than somebody didn't like the way they dressed or spoke. They don't deserve that kind of crap. None of us do -- but that's the point: They're disproportionately turned into targets. And none of you seem to be willing to admit that.
50 posted on 09/24/2004 10:41:47 PM PDT by Bush2000
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