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Poll: Skins' Nickname Offends Few Indians
Yahoo! News ^ | September 24, 2004 | AP

Posted on 09/24/2004 9:49:29 PM PDT by El Conservador

WASHINGTON - A poll of American Indians found that an overwhelming majority of them are not bothered by the name of the Washington Redskins (news).

Only 9 percent of those polled said the name of the NFL team is "offensive," while 90 percent said it's acceptable, according to the University of Pennsylvania's National Annenberg Election Survey, released Friday.

Annenberg polled 768 Indians in every state except Hawaii and Alaska from Oct. 7, 2003, to Sept. 20, 2004.

The survey found little disparity between men and women or young and old. However, 13 percent of Indians with college degrees said the name is offensive, compared with 9 percent of those with some college and 6 percent of those with a high school education or less. Among self-identified liberals, 14 percent found the term disparaging, compared with 6 percent of conservatives.

The franchise began in Boston as the Braves but was purchased in 1932 by George Preston Marshall, who changed the name to honor head coach William "Lone Star" Dietz, an American Indian. The team kept its monicker after moving to the nation's capital in 1937.

The name and feather-wearing mascot have since been challenged.

A panel of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office canceled the team's trademarks in 1999 on the grounds that the name disparages American Indians in violation of federal trademark law. But last year, a federal judge ruled the team can keep its name, finding insufficient evidence to conclude it is an insult to American Indians.

Some Indian leaders are still pressing their case, noting that many schools with similar mascots referencing Indians have made name changes in recent years.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: americanindian; americanindians; dc; indian; mascot; poll; redskins; trademark; washington; washingtonredskins
So the article is saying that most American Indians don't care about how an NFL teams is called, and those who do are mostly college kids indoctrinated by white liberals???

You don't say... (/sarc)

1 posted on 09/24/2004 9:49:29 PM PDT by El Conservador
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To: El Conservador

Sink that poll quick, because a whole lot of white college professors have made their careers off Indian hides.


2 posted on 09/24/2004 9:52:22 PM PDT by xJones
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To: El Conservador

I'm suprised that the Cleveland Indians' logo of the grinning Indian hasn't gotten more flak. That's a heck more offensive that calling a team "Indians" or "Redskins" or "Braves."


3 posted on 09/24/2004 9:55:09 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: Chad Fairbanks

Ping.


4 posted on 09/24/2004 9:56:03 PM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (God bless Senator Zell Miller.)
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To: xJones

Very true. The only people I have ever met who had an issue with team names were white liberal professors.


5 posted on 09/24/2004 9:58:08 PM PDT by flying Elvis
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To: NYCVirago

I agree. I'm amazed Chief Wahoo has made it into the 21st Century. Thought he would go the way of Chief Nock-A-Homa, who used to do a dance around his tepee when the Braves hit a home run.


6 posted on 09/24/2004 9:58:10 PM PDT by speedy
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To: El Conservador

I've looked into this in some detail. It all boils down to a handful of professional "native-american activists" who prefer to hog camera and microphone time to actually working for a living, and their media enablers who are behind this. Your average injun could hardly care less.


7 posted on 09/24/2004 9:58:40 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: El Conservador

Oh, please not this again,

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8 posted on 09/24/2004 9:59:12 PM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided. Illegal immigration is a crime.)
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To: El Conservador

This is one of those PC things that make many shake their heads -



just my opinion -


9 posted on 09/24/2004 10:00:10 PM PDT by Pastnowfuturealpha
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To: El Conservador

How 'bout them "Fighiting Whities". Kinda brings a tear of pride to your eye.

http://www.cafepress.com/fightinwhite

But if we want to talk about truly slanderous names try the "Boilermakers"

http://www.purdue.edu/helpdesk/pages/survival_guide/traditions.html


10 posted on 09/24/2004 10:00:59 PM PDT by Boiler Plate
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To: television is just wrong

In fact as professor (and card-carrying Commanche) David Yeagley has pointed out in some of his articles for Frontpagemag.com, a number of these professional and collegiate athletic associations sought and received official blessing from tribal elders when they formed their teams back in the day.


11 posted on 09/24/2004 10:03:25 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: El Conservador

You can thank Herbert Marcuse for that PC BS.


12 posted on 09/24/2004 10:03:54 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (Liberalism IS a mental disease, thanks to Gramsci, Marcuse and others from the Frankfurt School.)
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To: El Conservador

It's time for another Indian Head Nickle, adjusted for inflation.


13 posted on 09/24/2004 10:08:05 PM PDT by kylaka
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To: sinanju

The neighborhood highschool mascot is the Indian. We just battled to keep this and won. The school board was even wanting to change it. They wanted us to rename the mascot the "wave".

Can you imagine John Burroughs Marching Waves???????


14 posted on 09/24/2004 10:08:26 PM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided. Illegal immigration is a crime.)
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To: television is just wrong

Where in Calif are you located? J. Burroughs High?


15 posted on 09/24/2004 10:21:42 PM PDT by kmiller1k (remain calm)
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To: El Conservador

Hoosiers is an interesting name. In Indiana it is a name used with pride that signifies the earliest white settlers of Indiana traveling from the eastern states. Go over to Missouri and the name Hoosier is much worse than calling somebody a hillybilly or white trash.


16 posted on 09/24/2004 10:24:19 PM PDT by Kirkwood (I think, therefore I am Republican!)
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To: El Conservador

17 posted on 09/24/2004 10:27:29 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: Kirkwood

Where I live, in Canada, most Indians (whoops, the pc name here is first nations members) where Redskins and Cleveland Indians logo gear. A local band has had an indoor lacrosse (box lacrosse) team. The name: North Shore Indians. People who ruminate about this need to get a life.


18 posted on 09/24/2004 10:34:19 PM PDT by Canuckontheright
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To: NYCVirago
Indian or Native American names of sports teams is an honor towards the bravery, heartiness, strength and prowess of the Native American, period....

most of us should be so lucky to have something named for us....

ever hear of the "Fighting Jews"????

or the "Buffalo Polskis"....

me neither......

19 posted on 09/24/2004 10:36:13 PM PDT by cherry
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To: El Conservador

But EVERYONE knows that the Redskins real origin is in a little town called Pottsville, PA. The Boston Braves REALLY started in good old Pottville, home of Yuengling beer - America's oldest brewery, as the Pottsville Maroons. You can read all about them here - http://www.pottsvillemaroons.com/ and follow the official goings on(team moving, not memebers of the NFL for a year here and there, etc..) here - http://www.football.com/history/index.shtml


20 posted on 09/24/2004 10:40:55 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: El Conservador

Pehaps being a Dallas Cowboys' fan may tint my view, but down here we call em the Deadskins...

That way we don't insult any Native Americans.


21 posted on 09/24/2004 10:41:52 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: El Conservador

I am an American Indian. I say that the Indian names and mascots are just fine. O K, that is settled , move along now.


22 posted on 09/24/2004 10:46:41 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: cherry

when i buy a team, i'm gonna name it the "shanty irish". with pride.


23 posted on 09/24/2004 10:47:05 PM PDT by drhogan
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To: El Conservador
Sorry to piss everyone off, but I can sympathize with Indian folk who are upset with the term 'Redskin' because it was used in a derogatory manor to define Indians. Whether you believe it was the term used for the actual skins of dead indians redeemed for a bounty is something to be debated.

So i'll give them that one. But being offended by team names such as Indians, Chiefs, Braves, Seminoles etc... is just plain silly.

24 posted on 09/24/2004 10:53:28 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: Kirkwood

I use to live in Indiana..i thought Hoosier came from many yrs ago when kids were going up and would ask thier friends.."WHO'S YOU MOM, WHO'S YOU DAD whooosiers


25 posted on 09/24/2004 11:12:15 PM PDT by detrik
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To: El Conservador

LOL


26 posted on 09/24/2004 11:12:49 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: El Conservador

I'm going to start a private school - the nickname will be the Crusaders and the mascot will be a well-armed creature.


27 posted on 09/24/2004 11:13:54 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (You will NEVER convince me that Muhammadanism isn't a veil for MASS MURDERS. Save your time...)
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To: SengirV

The Indian should be proud of using the name...and your right.it is silly..


28 posted on 09/24/2004 11:14:45 PM PDT by detrik
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To: El Conservador

I was talking with a Cherokee friend (he's on the rolls). In the course of conversation he referred to someone as Indian, not Cherokee. I was shocked and asked him if he found the term Indian offensive. He laughed and said, "I'm Cherokee. He's indian. I'm not offended. He probably calls me Indian and himself Seminole. We call people Indians if they aren't part of our tribe or even our clan."

At a dfferent time I was talking with a girl in my friend's city. She was working behind the counter at Subway. She told me she was born and raised on a Navajo reservation. She moved away from Arizona to go to the free college in my friend's city. I noticed that if she didn't like an Indian co-worker or a customer, she'd call them apples under her breath. *Apple? What's an apple?* She smiled at my ignorance and said, "Red on the outside, white on the inside." Not satisfied with the reason why, I asked my Cherokee friend why she was calling people apples and he said, "Some just off the reservation think they're purer. They use terms like apple because they think their crap doesn't stink. Apple makes some of us mad but I just laugh and think she's ignorant."

Moral to all the PC hounds: Apparently, if you really want to offend some American Indians (Cherokee in my friend's case) call them apples. And if you want to ban something in your PC crusade start with your beloved liberal NYC's nickname, The Big Apple.


29 posted on 09/24/2004 11:28:49 PM PDT by sully777 (Our descendants will be enslaved by political expediency and expenditure)
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To: kmiller1k

Burbank, Ca.


30 posted on 09/24/2004 11:43:38 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: cherry
Its funny, those that buy into the Hollywood stereotype of "Indians" are up in arms about how horrid naming teams for them would be. Other team names, are clearly names of derision worn proudly, this is an old tactic, wear the charge that you opponent lays on you rather than cowering.

More often, team names result in identification with the mascot. So that Indians, Redskins, and such names had white, black and Latino folks all claiming to "be" Indians and reciting all of the positive aspects that that association means.

The images people pull from this experience come more from the Boy Scouts than from Hollywood Westerns. So why, would Native Americans want to cut themselves out of this amplification of their importance and values in society? Perhaps the folks behind this movement are wanting to remove Native American values from the American conscious. If you couple this with the assault on the Scouts of America... it really seems like the left really really is pursuing this.

31 posted on 09/25/2004 4:15:10 AM PDT by dalight
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To: El Conservador

bump...


32 posted on 09/25/2004 4:16:24 AM PDT by Geronimo
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To: El Conservador

I don't have a problem with this - I am a little bothered by stereotypical mascots, but the names don't offend me in the least...

That being said, I am proud that many weapoms systems are so named... Apache, Commanche, Tomohawk etc...


33 posted on 09/25/2004 8:54:46 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (How do you ask a hamster to be the last hamster to die for a mistake?)
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