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From a Who Did It to a Who'll Get It - 'the knives have come out' at CBS
LA Times ^ | September 25, 2004 | Elizabeth Jensen

Posted on 09/25/2004 5:00:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

With careers in jeopardy, 'the knives have come out' at CBS News. Rather's job seems safe, but he's fighting to keep it.

....Internally, CBS News appears to have moved from "What went wrong?" to "Who gets the blame?" With careers hanging in the balance and the reputation of the news division on the line, "the knives have come out," said one insider.

Many insiders think that Rather, who is 72 and has more than two years to run on his contract, will keep his job and that Mapes will bear much of the blame. She has not responded to requests for interviews.

But Rather's survival is not a given. Names are being bandied about in the corridors of the news division of possible interim replacements, although CBS News spokeswoman Sandy Genelius said it was "categorically false" that contingency plans had been drawn up.

Rather is fighting for his job. The anchor and CBS News President Andrew Heyward both showed up Wednesday at a party for ABC's Barbara Walters, with Rather's entrance in particular causing a frisson among the media heavyweights in the room. When Walters told Rather in front of the crowd that he had the support of the room for his stellar career, Heyward was among those applauding, according to a report in the New York Daily News.

Behind the scenes, however, fierce debates have been taking place among many of the division's top executives and reporters who appear on camera over who did what and when, and, in particular, how much blame Heyward — as opposed to his deputies — should shoulder, and whether he stacked the deck by selecting a panel member with seeming conflicts of interest.

Rather reacted angrily Wednesday when..

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbs; cbsnews; ccrm; danrather; fraud; journalism; media; memos; rathergate
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1 posted on 09/25/2004 5:00:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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2 posted on 09/25/2004 5:08:38 AM PDT by martin_fierro ('n'at.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Resolve it in favor of truth and justice in America. Fire both of those incompetent anti-america zealots.


3 posted on 09/25/2004 5:08:38 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (These Colors Never Run( 7.62) "See Ya"ll At The VA Clinic" "Xin Loi My Boy")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
When Walters told Rather in front of the crowd that he had the support of the room for his stellar career, Heyward was among those applauding, according to a report in the New York Daily News.

They just don't get it.

4 posted on 09/25/2004 5:08:54 AM PDT by Jalapeno
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
CBS News spokeswoman Sandy Genelius said it was "categorically false" that contingency plans had been drawn up

That's okay- if someone does find plans, she can always say they were forgeries.

5 posted on 09/25/2004 5:09:44 AM PDT by niteowl77 (Kerry/Edwards - A Strangled America)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

No action short of firing Rather would be appropriate. Rather can finger others, but ultimately, it was he who went on the air with the story. If this documents had been real and had caused damage to the Bush campaign, you can be sure Rather would have accepted credit.


6 posted on 09/25/2004 5:09:49 AM PDT by jpw01 (Freep the world!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Best bet for Viacom is to simply shut down the entire CBS News division.


7 posted on 09/25/2004 5:11:12 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
When Walters told Rather in front of the crowd that he had the support of the room for his stellar career

Ohhhhhh, brother.

8 posted on 09/25/2004 5:11:22 AM PDT by martin_fierro ('n'at.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
CBS News spokeswoman Sandy Genelius said it was "categorically false" that contingency plans had been drawn up.

Absence of succession planning for critical/key people in an organization is dereliction of duty to the shareholders. Everybody is replaceable, and life has a way of dealing surprising events.

9 posted on 09/25/2004 5:11:32 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Jalapeno

They are all happy, safe and warm aboard the Titanic.


10 posted on 09/25/2004 5:11:37 AM PDT by SerpentDove (It's Christmas in September.)
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To: martin_fierro
When Walters told Rather in front of the crowd that he had the support.....

Yeh...right!

Reminds me of that fat, sweaty H'wood producer in Doonesbury who used to end his conversations with: "Luv ya, Babe....mean it sincerely!"

11 posted on 09/25/2004 5:14:41 AM PDT by JimVT (I was born a Democrat..but then I grew up)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What ye sow, so shall ye reap.

Rather may skate and keep his job but his reputation is shot and SeeBS news will continue down the drain of liars as long as the good people of this country don't allow their despicable acts to be forgotten.

It's a new day in America. Power to the people!


12 posted on 09/25/2004 5:14:41 AM PDT by Dad2Angels
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To: SerpentDove

"They are all happy, safe and warm aboard the Titanic."


Shhh...don't say that until it's completely sunk!! ;)


13 posted on 09/25/2004 5:15:04 AM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (Liberalism IS a mental disease, thanks to Gramsci, Marcuse and others from the Frankfurt School.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

From Nina, Steve's wife

For anyone who wants to read the whole thing, the username & password I set up, using my throwaway email address, are:

katherinehoward
henryviii

I think the major papers are checking bugmenot and cancelling those accounts almost as fast as they're added - none of them worked for me a couple of days ago. I'm just using a junkmail address & setting up my own henceforward, then keeping them in a text file on my pc so I don't forget them.


14 posted on 09/25/2004 5:15:22 AM PDT by Steve0113 (Stay to the far right to get by.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"When Walters told Rather in front of the crowd that he had the support of the room for his stellar career, Heyward was among those applauding, according to a report in the New York Daily News."

Yeah, gee golly, Dan-o. Your fellow newsreaders are clapping for you. Must be swell. Bet you just puffed up with pride.

Of course, doesn't matter that you took your entire news organization down the crapper, that America is turning your network off in droves, and that the only ones who are defending you are fellow airheaded, droolingly-leftist newsreaders (ahem......"heavyweights", right?? in their own minds.).

15 posted on 09/25/2004 5:16:57 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

CBS still hasn't retracted the story.


16 posted on 09/25/2004 5:18:44 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The Six Stages of a Project --

1. Wild Enthusiasm - Check
2. Denial - Check
3. Hopeless Despair - Check
4. Search for the Guilty - Check
5. Blame of the Innocent- Soon
6. Praise and Honor for Nonparticipants


17 posted on 09/25/2004 5:19:00 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"When Walters told Rather in front of the crowd that he had the support of the room for his stellar career, Heyward was among those applauding"

So I guess Heyward was supposed to say - "Yo Rather, I gotcha career right heeeeeer."

And oh yeah. "Stellar career." What a buncha morons. Have they seens his ratings lately? It's more like a cellar career!

18 posted on 09/25/2004 5:24:14 AM PDT by Enterprise (The left hates the Constitution. Islamic Fascism hates America. Natural allies.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Rather should be fired. One does not have to be Bush supporter to realize he went over the line.

Walters' statement reveald more about her than Rather. She is a real sleazeball. She has given a forum to Monica the geek, Amy Schlossberg (sp.?) the child killer's parents, and Mary Kay the demented pedophile.

Now she apparently is supporting Rather.

19 posted on 09/25/2004 5:26:50 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1225723/posts

The Fall
National Review Online ^ | September 24, 2004 | Victor Davis Hanson
He gets it and explains how this came to be.


20 posted on 09/25/2004 5:27:01 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
[Mapes] has not responded to requests for interviews.

Maybe she'll respond to a subpoena or two. OTOH, she doesn't seem to mind jail time.

21 posted on 09/25/2004 5:27:13 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Always Right

I think Danny-boy is a goner too, no matter how hard he tries to hang on. Ratings are what matter and CBS' are in the basement and searching for the sub-cellar.
How long can cBS let that trend continue?

Smart business practices tell you that it takes more $ to win a customer back than to keep one. Sooner or later they still have to clean up the mess. The question is, how much messier do they want it to get before they start


22 posted on 09/25/2004 5:28:06 AM PDT by libs_kma (FU*K HANOI JOHN AND THE HORSE HE'S MARRIED TOO!!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Thornburgh has a connection to Karl Rove, a longtime Bush strategist.Rove, who denied this week to the Washington Times that he had anything to do with the documents falling into CBS' hands, worked on Thornburgh's unsuccessful campaign for a Pennsylvania Senate seat in 1991.

This will be the new spin: Thornburgh is the puppet of Karl Rove. Of course, this ignores the fact that Thornburgh stiffed Rove on the bill for his services in 1991.

23 posted on 09/25/2004 5:28:21 AM PDT by John Thornton
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You can be sure that no one will get blamed that can do any damage to Blather. In other words, no one that can say..."Rather knew what was going on the whole time".


24 posted on 09/25/2004 5:28:51 AM PDT by Heff ("Liberty is not America's gift to the world, it's the Almighty's gift to humanity" GW Bush 4/12/04)
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To: John Thornton

And Rove sued him personally!


25 posted on 09/25/2004 5:29:28 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
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To: Cboldt
Absence of succession planning ...

Everyone fears "The Emperor" Dan.

My 74 year old father cannot understand why CBS didn't dump him at least a decade ago. He thinks Dan has incriminating info on
the powers that be at CBS.

He just shakes his head when I relate the stories about Dan - "Kenneth", Connie Chung, daughter in bed with the Dems, etc.

26 posted on 09/25/2004 5:30:14 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Sitting back, and watching the bloody, implosive, internecine turning upon one another, is really QUITE AMUSING.

After all, for most there are housing mortages and car payments and the Poconos time share lodge and Buffy's abortion and what not to attend to.

"DAMNED if Joe down the hall is going to go scott free and I'M going to get the ax over this."

So typical of elite libs with phony smiles and "Let's have lunch" amongst themselves. Now people will REALLY know who their friends were in the bowels of CBS.

I imagine a phenominal fiasco that started in a Kinkos in Texas (forged documents sent) will end in a Kinkos in Mid-town Manhattan frantic CBS staffers getting their resumes out)!

27 posted on 09/25/2004 5:30:43 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo ( MSM is the nanny watchdog of everyone/everything; yet they explode w/rage when THEY are audited.)
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To: John Thornton

"Of course, this ignores the fact that Thornburgh stiffed Rove on the bill for his services in 1991."

And then Rove sued and won...


28 posted on 09/25/2004 5:31:29 AM PDT by spacejunkie
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I noticed that Walter Cronkite chimed in with some comments. Cronkite never used phony documents. No sir.

North Vietnamese Communists' most trusted man in America used real film footage from the Tet Offensive over and over showing North Vietnam's Viet Cong fighters in Saigon.

No sir. Cronkite just reported the "news." To wit, it's hopeless, the oppressed people of South Vietnam do not want the American killings and crimes (destroy a village to save a village) to continue, "disengage" now! Let the oppressed people of South Vietnam be free of their government's corruption and violence.

Post-war reports from the North Vietnamese themselves credit people like their most trusted man in America for keeping them in the war knowing that their "most valuable guerrillas" were actually in America.

No peace talks following the virtual destruction of the Viet Cong in 1968. The war continued. Hundreds of thousands more died. Millions were to die after the North Vietnamese Communists' guerrillas in America did their job.

That is the way it was, IMO.

I believe Mr. David Horowitz has a new book that relates our domestic enemies' actions today to their very successful Vietnam campaign.

But, hey! Enough of this Vietnam era crap. As one Freeper, et al. put it, I can't wait until all them old people die so we can stop talking about the Vietnam war. (Damn guerrillas are still here, IMO.)

29 posted on 09/25/2004 5:32:18 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: Dad2Angels
Rather may skate and keep his job but his reputation is shot and SeeBS news will continue down the drain of liars as long as the good people of this country don't allow their despicable acts to be forgotten.

No "Rather Chair of Journalism" at Columbia.

No "Rather Scholarships for Young Journalists."

No "Rather Center for Journalism and Politics" at Harvard

You can think of more, I'm sure.

(steely)

30 posted on 09/25/2004 5:32:44 AM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: Jalapeno

Heyward's applause at a party means little. It's what he's holding behind his back that counts.


31 posted on 09/25/2004 5:33:23 AM PDT by hershey
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To: muawiyah
Best bet for Viacom is to simply shut down the entire CBS News division.

That is not an option. CBS is required by its license to provide a certain amount of news coverage. But it is going to take a thorough house cleaning to begin the process of restoring credibility.
32 posted on 09/25/2004 5:34:43 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Dad2Angels

I hope the little people at CBS who will lose their jobs because the news division is falling apart, will applaud keeping Dan the Man on. Useful idiots. Who's paying Mary Mape's legal bills, by the way? TerAYsa?


33 posted on 09/25/2004 5:35:23 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Let him keep his job. All he lost is any remaining shred of credibility that he may have once had and that was obviously never important to him or his employer. Let him go on the air every night for the next two years broadcasting to a few hundred wretched souls who still watch out of morbid curiosity
34 posted on 09/25/2004 5:36:57 AM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is the equivalent of the Democrat's post-impeachment rally for Clinton. Sure, Clinton managed to beat the rap, but he is and will always be a laughing stock. Ditto for Rather.


35 posted on 09/25/2004 5:39:05 AM PDT by randita
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To: Jalapeno

"...the reputation of the news division on the line..."

The reputation of the news division hasn't been on the line for a couple of weeks - it's no longer under their control - they're toast.


36 posted on 09/25/2004 5:40:59 AM PDT by Let's Roll (For a guy who shirks his own job, Kerry sure is eager to tell others what they should do ...)
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To: muawiyah

I agree. Shut the news division down and basically start over. But that would require "courage." CBS? Courage? Naw.


37 posted on 09/25/2004 5:42:28 AM PDT by Enterprise (The left hates the Constitution. Islamic Fascism hates America. Natural allies.)
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To: MEG33

An amazing article by Hanson ..Should be nailed to every door at CBS..


38 posted on 09/25/2004 5:43:26 AM PDT by omstrat (zip code)
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To: Cboldt
Absence of succession planning for critical/key people in an organization is dereliction of duty to the shareholders.

Exactly right. Dan's 72 years old. Even without his memogate bomb, the actuaries on 72 year old men is what it is. If SeeBS didn't have someone waiting in the wings, the stockholders should chew them a new one.

39 posted on 09/25/2004 5:45:27 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Heyward was among those applauding, according to a report in the New York Daily News.

Perhaps Heyward isn't being a "rude vile pig" and the reporter is reading way too much into it

40 posted on 09/25/2004 5:46:12 AM PDT by Popman
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To: Jalapeno
No, they don't get it. Walters just read her own journalistic epitaph.

Neither truth, integrity, facts, evidence, nor reality ever stood in the way of a story promoting her extremist leftwingnut agenda. And that applies to all the MSM.

And they wonder why they're dieing.

41 posted on 09/25/2004 5:47:11 AM PDT by Sal
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Rather reacted angrily Wednesday when he learned that former U.S. Atty. Gen. Richard L. Thornburgh was named to the panel, people inside the network said.

Translation: The decision to fire Rather has already been made. They are just waiting for the ink to dry on the report.

The anchor and CBS News President Andrew Heyward both showed up Wednesday at a party for ABC's Barbara Walters, with Rather's entrance in particular causing a frisson among the media heavyweights in the room.

Translation: Rather, and possibly Heyward, are already interviewing for a new gig.

When Walters told Rather in front of the crowd that he had the support of the room for his stellar career

Translation: Danny baby, you are a has been.
42 posted on 09/25/2004 5:47:24 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Ditto

You're right. This is more BS from CBS. If they don't have anyone waiting in the wings they deserve to go out of business. And if Dan Rather doesn't get the axe, it will be crystal clear that CBS has a death wish.


43 posted on 09/25/2004 5:50:11 AM PDT by demkicker (I'm Ra th er sick of Dan)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

"Mapes will bear much of the blame. She has not responded to requests for interviews."

Let's see, I thought 60 Minutes and the other news magazines were experts at catching people as they leave work, restaurants, and home and asking questions. Where are those people now who care so much about the truth and getting to the bottom of the story now that it involves one of their own!


44 posted on 09/25/2004 5:54:42 AM PDT by georgiarat (What? Question my credentials to vote!)
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To: Let's Roll
it's no longer under their control

By appointing the outside commission, CBS has relinquished control. The report of the commission will determine who stays and who goes.

45 posted on 09/25/2004 5:55:12 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (WE WILL WIN WITH W - Isara)
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To: You Dirty Rats

How biased is that commission ?


46 posted on 09/25/2004 5:56:48 AM PDT by omstrat (zip code)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Maybe Cronkhead, like Clinton, wants a respectable legacy. History will write otherwise.


47 posted on 09/25/2004 5:57:33 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
and the reputation of the news division on the line

That's like a bunch of streetwalkers insisting they're still virgins.

48 posted on 09/25/2004 5:58:39 AM PDT by Klatuu
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Beside the obvious firing of Mary Mapes, I would think that the Managing Editor of CBS News should be held responsible, i.e. - Fired, for allowing this to occur.

Wait... that's Dan Rather!
Oh well, ta-ta Kenneth.

(ps; Yo Dan, I hear the Workers World Daily is hiring.)

49 posted on 09/25/2004 6:01:28 AM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
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To: omstrat

"How biased is that commission?"

I've been wondering....Is this "panel" or "commission" or whatever it is, going to limit their investigation to just CBS misdeeds? Or are they going to delve into the "story" itself and make a determination as to whether the Guard story has legs? Perhaps I'm just being too pessimistic.


50 posted on 09/25/2004 6:05:25 AM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers ("Hold on to your hats.....it's going to be a bumpy night")
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