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Zapatero: Catholics Out, Islam In
Little Green Footballs ^ | 09/25/04 | Isambard Wilkinson in Madrid

Posted on 09/25/2004 7:38:56 AM PDT by JesseJane

The Spanish appeasement government of Zapatero is now planning to drastically cut ties with the Roman Catholic Church, slashing current funding in half: Funding for Church to be slashed by Spanish. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/25/wspain25.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/09/25/ixworld.html)

The Spanish government sparked a furious row yesterday after it emerged that it had drawn up a timetable to halve state funding of the Roman Catholic Church and to ban crucifixes from public buildings.

The Socialist government has already pedged to confront the Church ideologically and fiscally and to transform Spain into a fully secular society by scrapping the Church’s “privileged position in society”.

The newspaper El Mundo reported yesterday that the government has now drawn up a timetable to break the bonds, removing any lingering hopes that it might reach an accommodation.

The government plans to put an end to the arrangement whereby Spaniards can offer a percentage of their taxes to the Church. This arrangement contributes £54 million a year to Church funds.

This might be defensible as a move toward US-style separation of church and state—except that Zapatero is simultaneously planning to vastly increase state funding for Islam:

Further enraging conservatives, the government has drawn up plans to finance the teaching of Islam in state-run schools and to give funds to mosques on the grounds that it will create greater understanding of the country’s one million Muslims.

Although Spain has been a Catholic country since the expulsion of the Moors in 1492 is has also long had a tradition of anti-clericalism that flared violently during the civil war. The old saying was that “a Spaniard is always behind a priest, either with a candle or a stake.”

The Zapateristas seem intent on systematically dismantling Spanish society.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: appeasement; catholicchurch; catholics; churchandstate; cross; education; europe; islam; moors; politics; purge; religion; schools; socialist; spain; zapatero
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To: Incorrigible
The decision outraged Roman Catholics. One newspaper commentator dubbed it "political correctness gone mad". People gathered in strength to place flowers at the foot of the statue and newspapers published letters of complaint condemning the "intolerable heresy". The announcement of the withdrawal was welcomed by the Muslim community as a "step towards peace" according to Houssam El Mahmoudi, the president of the Association of Moroccan Students in Santiago.
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21 posted on 09/25/2004 7:59:27 AM PDT by JesseJane ( “fake but accurate” ... it’s like saying a body in a pine box is “dead but lifelike.” -- Lileks)
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To: ex-snook

I read about that too.. Our communities need to stand up and start removing politicians by recall if necessary to stand and protect the constitution. The ACLU has got to be purged of it's communists and anti-semites.. or shut down entirely. It's long lost it's purpose.. In fact, it's sort of like a terrorist organization that threatens lawsuit after lawsuit to bankrupt a community if necessary to get it's way.. and finds a willing 'judge' to help. It's gotta stop.


22 posted on 09/25/2004 8:01:50 AM PDT by JesseJane ( “fake but accurate” ... it’s like saying a body in a pine box is “dead but lifelike.” -- Lileks)
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To: JesseJane

He would reaaaly hate the courtrooms in Greece. In each courtroom is a picture of Christ and a cross and a bible.


23 posted on 09/25/2004 8:02:33 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! NOV 2, 2004 is VETERANS DAY! VOTE!)
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To: JesseJane
I hope those people fight

From talking to my brother and dad... I doubt it. Over all, people in Spain are sorry for their blunder, but unwilling to do anything about it. Maybe it's the 40 years of repression under Franco that taught them not to speak out. Maybe it's Islam itself... some scholars believe it to be the apostate religion spoken about in the book of Revelation. Either way, they are toast and I'm glad that I cut my ties to Spain years ago. I even find it hard to feel sorry for my relatives over there, considering the nonsense I hear over the phone. Franco used to call Spain "the spiritual reserve of the West"... what a joke!

24 posted on 09/25/2004 8:03:16 AM PDT by Former Fetus (aren't we all?)
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To: JesseJane
The Socialist government has already pedged to confront the Church ideologically and fiscally and to transform Spain into a fully secular society by scrapping the Church’s “privileged position in society”.

Looks like the commies have never given up in Spain.
25 posted on 09/25/2004 8:03:52 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: CometBaby
In my mind .. the significance of this story to the Catholic Church and to Spain is HUGE !!!

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I totally agree, but will we hear this story in OUR MEDIA?? Doubtful. Pass the word.

26 posted on 09/25/2004 8:04:09 AM PDT by JesseJane ( “fake but accurate” ... it’s like saying a body in a pine box is “dead but lifelike.” -- Lileks)
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To: JesseJane

El CID shall rise again!

DEATH TO THE MOSLEM HOARDE!


27 posted on 09/25/2004 8:05:34 AM PDT by steplock
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To: JesseJane

Francisco Franco is spinning in his grave.....but he is still dead.


28 posted on 09/25/2004 8:06:49 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (DEMS STILL LIE like yellow dogs.)
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To: Incorrigible
authorities fear that the image could attract the anger of the Arab world

I will never understand those who think capitulation to intimidation is a good policy. What is that going to accomplish other than an increase in the level and breadth of intimidation?

29 posted on 09/25/2004 8:07:20 AM PDT by tdadams ('Unfit for Command' is full of lies... it quotes John Kerry)
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To: starfish923
This is exactly what the Catholic Church needed: marytrdom. Now THEY are the "underdogs," persecuted and on the run. The Church functions very well in that capacity. Lol. THAT'S how they got started. Pharisees, Romans....Zapatistas. Nothing changes.

You see this as an opportunity to display your personal bias against Catholics?

As to your question about Zapatistas. I believe you are correct. The Zapatistas in Spain are an importation from the revolutionaires in Mexico. The Communist party is pretty much represented by the Zapatistas.

30 posted on 09/25/2004 8:08:11 AM PDT by CometBaby (You can twist perceptions .. reality won't budge!)
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To: miltonim

Ping!


31 posted on 09/25/2004 8:09:26 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: NYer

Your ping list may want to look at this too.


32 posted on 09/25/2004 8:10:53 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: Former Fetus

How sad.. Perhaps some of your relatives may decide at some point to immigrate.


33 posted on 09/25/2004 8:11:27 AM PDT by JesseJane ( “fake but accurate” ... it’s like saying a body in a pine box is “dead but lifelike.” -- Lileks)
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To: JesseJane

You are right; Spain is majority, traditionally, RC. There will either be a "moving" out of Spain of traditional RC; or some fascinating events -- which of course the squelching biased, censorious MSM will not report.


34 posted on 09/25/2004 8:12:13 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Former Fetus

Your post #24, bet my scummy relatives still in germany are worse than yours in spain!


35 posted on 09/25/2004 8:12:18 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: atomicpossum
Why are you insulting Mr. Bean ?

He may look like Zapatero, but he's not diabolical.

NOTHING about this is funny.

36 posted on 09/25/2004 8:12:55 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: JesseJane

you'd think that he'd read some post-roman history of the iberian peninsula.


37 posted on 09/25/2004 8:13:46 AM PDT by ken21 (require econ in hi skools + the democrat party wd evaporate)
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To: VOA
I just hope Dubya and his planners think over their "faith-based" system of fundings...so we don't end up playing Cat Stevens (funding Islamic terrorism "charities").

I have been opposed to this for the same reason.

I also saw what a racket the Scientologists run in California, and know that other cults would love to get their hands on public money.

38 posted on 09/25/2004 8:14:38 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: NYer

Catholic Ping!


39 posted on 09/25/2004 8:15:56 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: JesseJane
Additional comments at: Funding for Church to be slashed by Spanish
40 posted on 09/25/2004 8:16:40 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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