Posted on 09/25/2004 7:41:29 PM PDT by Lorianne
I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough.
I support it by the fact that there is no overwhelming movement to change the status quo.
If more women than not sincerely didn't like abortion in any case, we wouldn't have the curent status quo.
To me, in this case, I look at the result and then try to see why it is that way. The result is that abortion is legal and more women than not aren't voting in any way to change that.
How can I reconcile it with what they are telling pollsters? I can't - so at least enough of those women telling pollsters 'no abortion' must be siding with the 'abortions r us' crew. They aren't being forthright to pollsters, it appears.
Women who don't vote at all (say if neither candidate is against abortion actively) are supporting the status quo, too.
If most women (and men for that matter) sincerly opposed abortion, the social and legislative landscape would be different. It isn't. So somebody isn't being straight-up.
It is interesting and I agree with what you hint at: legal abortion is better for irresponsible men than illegal abortion would be, so it make sense at some level that they would support it.
A shame in any case.
I am 36 so there isn't too much difference in our ages. I think many men from their 20s well past their mid-30s just aren't interested in responsibility in a relationship. Again, a shame.
Any suggestion I would make to try and change that would probably seem hopelessly old-fashioned, and maybe even sexist, so I'll spare you. ;-)
As for the poll, I think a breakdown by ethnicity (and religion too) would be interesting to see, too.
I agree with you that we may be starting to see a change in the mindset and a paradigm shift. Our side should be firm in pressing the issue and making social change in this direction.
Once the social change happens, the legislative change follows. This is a generational thing, I suspect - expect no sudden changes anytime soon.
But I think people are moving in the right direction, slowly.
Yeah doesn't it all go back to what my grandma used to say "Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?" I agree with that sentiment, stuck with it and found myself in a meaningful long term relationship while my peers bounce from one meaningless physical relationship for another.
OR- and this always slays me- end up stuck in a longterm relationship and somehow can't get their man to commit to anything after 6, 7, 8 years of dating and living together. HELLO!
Wonder if Kerry is ever thankful that his mother did not choose abortion??????
Might be a good townhall meeting question. LOL!
I agree.
And I believe it was the images of children being murdered in Russia by terrorists that woke women up to reality of the war we are in and how important it is to have a REAL MAN in the White House...not a flip-flopping phoney like Kerry.
I'm glad you said it, it kept me from saying it. ;-)
I agree with that sentiment also. Women could 'make men out of the boys' quickly if they all agreed to hold their men to a meaningful standard in their relationships. Inferior men will fall by the wayside, and others will rise to the challenge and start acting like men, rather than fratboys.
As a class, men won't do this by themselves, sorry.
Funny you mention women in longterm but uncommited relationships with their men. HELLO is right. I know many women who played that game for years and found themselves with the short end of the stick.
It's really up to the women to make men honest, again. In fact, it's up to the women to save our culture, I think.
This is naive. Women are not a class but individuals and as individuals need to exercise individual responsibility.
But so are men individuals and so are they capable of extercising individual responsibility.
Talking about "women" that way as a group is the way liberals think. That mindset also absolves men of individual responsibility. Very dangerous.
This kind of thinking is what got us into the abortion mess in the first place.
I don't necessarily think so.
I agree with what you said "Women are not a class but individuals and as individuals need to exercise individual responsibility."
But as a class, they have failed.
As for men, I agree with you there, too. "Men are individuals and so are they capable of extercising individual responsibility."
But as a class, they have miserably failed.
At no point did I try to absolve men from responsibility - if you appreciated that from my comment, I apologize. That was not my intent at all.
Left to their own devices, men as a class won't change, sorry. That's not to say that many individual men don't behave maturely, of course.
I'm sorry you think that's naive. The views are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, they complement each other.
I totally agree. Your post reminded me of reading "Lysistrata" in college. The Greeks had it figured out all the way back then. :)
But, women are too desperate for love and as children, with two parents working for most of them, who are their role models? Teachers and their liberal views? Yikes I hope not, but who else?
I used to know Steven Ertelt years ago. It is good to see him keeping up the fight for life.
Lysistrata! Yes its been a while! Aristophanes!
Whenever I think of Arisphoanes I think of the Password episode of the Odd Couple! Remember: there are two kinds of people in the word - those that look at you with a blank stare when you say 'Aristophanes' and those that respond immediately with 'Rediculous.' Probably the funniest 30 mins in tv history! I love the OC!!!
Anyway you are right, the greeks had it figured out, no doubt. As for women's role models, I don't know. I really don't know.
Keep the faith, though!
I've never seen the Odd Couple, but I would LOVE to see that episode! LOL!
And it's a lot easier to keep the faith with the president we've got. :) I had really written off this country after we reelected Bubba in 96, but W had given me hope.
You are pro-MURDER.
opra did W a favor althought it was not pretty it was important show ......
Only to those who threaten me first. Waiting for the other guy to shoot first is for the birds, he might not miss.
Arm the fetus then...
Why would you want to try to shoot underwater?
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