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Abortion Activist Admits Abortion Issue Doesn't Drive Women Voters
Life News ^ | 21 July 2004 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 09/25/2004 7:43:07 PM PDT by Lorianne

Imagine you're the head of a women's group that backs abortion. In your quest to elect candidates who agree with your position, you're likely to talk up the importance of the issue to your membership and how they are excited to vote for like-minded candidates.

Yet, the political director of a nationally renown pro-abortion organization told the Christian Science Monitor newspaper that abortion is not an issue that drive women voters -- nor is it their top priority.

Karen White of Emily's List, a political organization that backs pro-abortion candidates, says abortion "is not an issue where a woman wakes up every morning and says, 'I am going to look up what my candidate thinks on abortion.'"

"Now, while it may be an important issue, and she may have a very strong opinion about it, [it] is not what is driving her to vote," White admitted.

In fact, White told the Monitor newspaper that the top issue for women is the war in Iraq and the number one issue for women swing voters is health care.

Perhaps White is acknowledging a June 2003 poll conducted by the Center for the Advancement of Women, which also backs abortion.

The survey found that 51% took a pro-life position opposing most or all abortions while only thirty percent said it should be generally available.

The poll also found that keeping abortion legal was the next to last most important priority for women. Fewer than half (41%) cite preserving abortion as a priority -- down from 49 percent in 2001.

In comparison, 92% list domestic violence and assault as a primary concern. A close second (90%) is equal pay for equal work. Also of greater importance to women is the ability to take time off to care for family (74%), reducing drug & alcohol addiction (72%) and increasing women's study of math, science, and technology (66%).

Jennifer Bingham of the Susan B. Anthony List, a pro-life group that works to elect pro-life women to public office, tells LifeNews.com the media has painted a false impression that a majority of women support abortion.

"Poll after poll is showing that more and more American women are classifying themselves as pro-life," Bingham said. "After 30 years of the message that 'choice' means a women's right to choose an abortion -- women are finally expressing choice as the right to have a child."

Meanwhile, an October 2003 poll conducted by Emily's List found that President Bush does just as well with women voters as with, at the time, an unnamed Democratic presidential candidate.

Among women, 42 percent said they would likely support the Democratic nominee while 39 percent said they would back President Bush.

In 1996, Bill Clinton defeated Bob Dole by 16 percent among women voters. Bush cut the so-called "gender gap" to 11 in 2000.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; emilyslist; issues; napalminthemorning; politics; proaborts; womensvote

1 posted on 09/25/2004 7:43:07 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

The abortion issue drives MY vote. I vote prolife.


2 posted on 09/25/2004 7:46:11 PM PDT by I still care (Proud member of the FR branch of the Pajama brigade.)
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To: Lorianne

it has been millions of years of evolution and we are hunters and gatherers...... the women are concerned about security during the time of war..... it is that simple... can our tribe survive and can i and my children....

they worry about home..... security... children.... other families... then food shelter.... basics.....


3 posted on 09/25/2004 7:47:42 PM PDT by Gibtx (Wow)
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To: Lorianne
How amazing that most women aren't libertine party sluts who need frequent abortions, and they actually recognise the birth of their children as the happiest day in their lives.

This is shocking to liberals!!!

4 posted on 09/25/2004 7:48:30 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: Lorianne
Karen White of Emily's List, a political organization that backs pro-abortion candidates, says abortion "is not an issue where a woman wakes up every morning and says, 'I am going to look up what my candidate thinks on abortion.'"

While radical feminists are the exception, I always wondered how many women voted for a candidate because some day they might want to kill their child. I just don't think taht they constitute a large population.

5 posted on 09/25/2004 7:49:06 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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To: Lorianne
It's probably the circles in which I move, but I don't know any women who won't vote for a candidate because he is pro-life (even if they think abortion should be legal), but I know quite a few women who would never vote for a candidate who was pro-choice. They'd stay home given a choice between two pro-choice candidates.

The most ardently pro-life people I know are women. It doesn't surprise me that 51% of women would vote to ban most or all abortions. The other thing that the GOP should realize that many socially conservative women are motivated to vote and be politically active ONLY because of their social concerns. Their husbands might still be motivated to vote GOP on the basis of taxes, regulation, and military spending, but many women connect most deeply on the social issues.

Another reason why, to win elections, a Republican candidate needs to appeal to every part of the conservative coalition: needs to be tax-cutting, smaller government, socially conservative, strong on national defense, pro-2nd amendment, etc...

6 posted on 09/25/2004 7:57:10 PM PDT by Agrarian (The 2nd most important race of the year is in SD-- but Coburn in OK is where money now needs to go)
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To: SteveMcKing

It isn't that simple I think.

I think many many women say they are anti-abortion, but they quietly support the status quo of abortion on demand.

Whether it's a fear that their daughter gets pregnant, or an otherwise chaste housewife finds herself in a bit of a predicament after a lingering visit by an anonymous UPS guy, I think many women say one thing to pollsters on the issue, but quietly like the 'easy out' to what they consider an inconvenient (or inexplicable) pregnancy.

I think it's terrible, but I think its true.


7 posted on 09/25/2004 7:58:00 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: SteveMcKing

"How amazing that most women aren't libertine party sluts who need frequent abortions..."

No wonder my approach hasn't been working!


8 posted on 09/25/2004 7:58:12 PM PDT by Socratic (Kerry/Edwards - Forging a New Reality)
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To: Lorianne
Meanwhile...in real life...most women who are putatively pro choice are actually very much pro-life.
They just don't want women who are unmarried and pregnant to be stoned to death for being pregnant outside of marriage.
Funny how "abortion" has become such a divisive political issue.
As if any woman really seeks the "legal right" to abort the product of her womb.
9 posted on 09/25/2004 8:00:11 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: sarasmom

"Funny" how someone can fail to see that some people would find that the convenience killing an unborn child, the product of a women's womb, would be repulsive and wrong.


10 posted on 09/25/2004 8:11:21 PM PDT by gscc
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To: Lorianne

Women who have abortions should be denied Social Security benefits. If they choose to reduce the work force that would support them in their "old age" then they should forgo the payments. Why should a woman that had children share her benefits with the "baby killers"?


11 posted on 09/25/2004 8:41:25 PM PDT by Blake#1
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To: Blake#1

The "coat hanger" symbol now means nothing to the women that rats are trying to scare into voting rat. Women in the "abortion age" just don't understand what the rats are babbling about.


12 posted on 09/26/2004 6:50:08 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 ( Kerry's not "one of us": catholicsagainstkerry.com. needs your help.)
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To: Lorianne

The Selfish Generation which drives all policy on the Left is advancing out of the child-bearing years. As soon as the Boomers hit menopause, it is not at all surprising that they lose interest in the whole issue of abortion. Breast Cancer will be a much hotter topic in the next few years, along with government mandated HRT pumped into the water supply.


13 posted on 09/27/2004 3:34:48 AM PDT by bondjamesbond (As a good Jihadi tells his son: Remember, the red wire must never shake hands with the green wire..)
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Election 2004 threads on FR

14 posted on 09/27/2004 9:25:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: SteveMcKing

I am pro-choice not pro-abortion. I think women are smart enough to decide how to handle their pregnancies. I also think it's unfair of you to characterize every woman who seeks abortion as a "libertine party slut" who aborts at the drop of the hat. Sometimes women are raped, sometimes birth control fails, and sometimes a girl is ignorant and gets pregnant at 13. Better birth control, the morning after pill, getting men to take more responsibility for birth control, and offering a pregnant woman some kindness and support so she won't abort could go a long way. The alternative, to outlaw abortion will only kill women. Unfortunately abortion has been around for a long time; it was made illegal and women died. Plus, do we really want to start policing pregnant women? How is that consistent with a free society? Only if women were being forced by the state to abort, like in China, could I be for outlawing abortion. But every woman has the freedom to not have abortion or to have one. FREEDOM, CHOICE being the operative words here. P.S. I am no liberal.


15 posted on 11/04/2004 4:05:49 PM PST by iheartusa
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To: iheartusa
The alternative, to outlaw abortion will only kill women.

Not outlawing it has killed 42 million kids so far.

16 posted on 11/04/2004 4:10:50 PM PST by Campion
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To: Campion

Do you honestly believe that if a holocaust of children was going on in this country that everyone, libs, conservatives, mods, whomever, and especially women, wouldn't say it's murder and rise up to do something about it? I don't happen to believe that fetuses are children. They are on their way to being children and live as children in the minds of happily expectant parents, but have no yet achieved personhood. Lot's of people believe as I do, people of many faiths believe as I do. But are you ready to start policing pregnant women in a free society? Are you ready to tell me here and now that a fetus is more important than the woman on whom it depends for life? Are you ready to tell me that you don't care if women die if abortion is outlawed? That they're all filthy sluts that deserve to die because of their indiscretion, whether that indiscretion be rape, incest, or just having a body weakened by diabetes or heart disease? Just let me know.


17 posted on 11/04/2004 4:19:36 PM PST by iheartusa
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To: iheartusa

You've had an abortion.


18 posted on 11/04/2004 4:23:05 PM PST by JusPasenThru (Kerry: Carter without the competence, Clinton without the integrity.)
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To: JusPasenThru

No, I haven't.


19 posted on 11/04/2004 4:24:48 PM PST by iheartusa
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To: iheartusa

I have two lovely daughters, age 22 and 21 (we fell for the line that breast-feeding is contraceptive). The oldest is married now - praise God - but the younger is single and still in college. It is unimaginable that her parents would ever advise her to abort. She would never consider it. As a physician, I've seen way too many post-abortion trauma disorder cases to think that there is anything benign about abortion. It's just evil. And its destroyed far more than it was supposed to have preserved.


20 posted on 11/04/2004 5:03:06 PM PST by JusPasenThru (The Democrats need to get over their love affair with abortion.)
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To: iheartusa

"Plus, do we really want to start policing pregnant women? How is that consistent with a free society? "

We really want to start policing the right to life of unborn babies. That is VERY consistent with a free society. If my mom was pregnat of me and wanted an abortion because she is in control of her body, and I could talk by myself, I would tell her: "No, mom, make no mistake. It's my body, not yours, and you have no right on taking the life of MY body". But I wouldn't be able to talk. So I would need adults from the outside to defend MY body and MY right to live.


21 posted on 11/04/2004 5:16:34 PM PST by angelanddevil2
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To: iheartusa

Can you please tell me when the fetus reaches "personhood"?. I have seen the pic of aborted fetuses. TERRIBLE!!!!. I couldn't sleep well in months. With the shape of little persons...all mutilated...one arm here, one head there....If it's poison that is inserted, he moves to scape, because he already has the instict of survival. But of course he is trapped. The recovery of the great trauma of a rape or incest is not going to heal for the fact of killing the baby. It's not his fault. We have to fight against any possible discrimination that the mom could suffer, and offer her and the baby all our support.


22 posted on 11/04/2004 5:23:34 PM PST by angelanddevil2
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To: JusPasenThru

I think it's terrible that an impending life has to be thought of as an inconvenience and that some women feel they have to destroy a potential life. But for me the issue is do women as free thinking moral agents have the right to decide about important life altering events like pregnancy? The abortion issue is a terrible dilemma for me when I look at it this way. The other issue is what are we doing to reduce the demand for abortion? Are we advocating for more sexually responsible behavior? Are we advocating for better birth control methods? Are we making sure unwanted children have homes they can go to? Are we offering pregnant women non-judgmental help to make a decision for life? It's easy to sit back in judgment and call women wicked, loose sluts. It's easy to outlaw abortion and drive women into back alleys again. But it doesn't solve the problem. To me abortion is a soul murder. It's the murder of potential life, of love, of a woman's own future. She's killing a part of herself. I wouldn't choose it. But at least in America I can choose. That's why I'm pro-choice, not pro-abortion. I know it doesn't make sense to some, but there it is.


23 posted on 11/04/2004 5:26:26 PM PST by iheartusa
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To: iheartusa

Can we start the killing-my-annoying-neighbor pro-choice Association?. Let's limit it to annoying neighbours younger than 25 and older than 42. We can hope that people will be responsible enough to not use the choice.


24 posted on 11/04/2004 5:35:38 PM PST by angelanddevil2
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To: angelanddevil2

I don't know.


25 posted on 11/04/2004 5:40:58 PM PST by iheartusa
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To: iheartusa

I agree. It doesn't make sense to some.


26 posted on 11/04/2004 6:33:36 PM PST by JusPasenThru (The Democrats need to get over their love affair with abortion.)
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To: JusPasenThru

Interesting how everybody just copped out of this discussion and never answered my questions.


27 posted on 11/04/2004 8:14:21 PM PST by iheartusa
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To: iheartusa

I did answer your questions.


28 posted on 11/05/2004 7:50:36 AM PST by angelanddevil2
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To: angelanddevil2

That is so ridiculously silly, I hardly know what to write.
Fetuses are not yet babies! They're only babies in the minds of happily expectant parents. None of us had a right to anything before we were born. You know why? Because it's up to your parents whether or not you are even conceived. That's just the way it works. Likewise a fetus, a human life, and a potential person in the making, is nurtured in the body of a woman and lives as a developing organism by virtue of the woman. Because the fetus is not a baby (or even a person yet) and completely incapable of making decisions, the woman in whose body it resides and is living off of gets to decide, period. That's the way it is, like it or not. And since we do live in a free society, it isn't up to me or you to make decisions for the woman as to what she will do with the life growing inside of her. There simply exists no compelling reason for the state to interfere, especially in the first trimester, when the vast majority of abortions occur. Frankly, I'm more concerned about children, young persons already born being looked after. Better we spend our efforts thinking about them.


29 posted on 11/05/2004 8:56:39 AM PST by iheartusa
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To: SteveMcKing

Yet the Gerald Ford type of GOP'ers will still insist that the GOP abandon the "extreme" pro-life position because it "alienates" moderate swing voters.


30 posted on 11/05/2004 9:00:19 AM PST by Guillermo (Michael Moore is fat)
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To: angelanddevil2

These were my questions:
Do you honestly believe that if a holocaust of children was going on in this country that everyone, libs, conservatives, mods, whomever, and especially women, wouldn't say it's murder and rise up to do something about it? I don't happen to believe that fetuses are children. They are on their way to being children and live as children in the minds of happily expectant parents, but have no yet achieved personhood. Lot's of people believe as I do, people of many faiths believe as I do. But are you ready to start policing pregnant women in a free society? Are you ready to tell me here and now that a fetus is more important than the woman on whom it depends for life? Are you ready to tell me that you don't care if women die if abortion is outlawed? That they're all filthy sluts that deserve to die because of their indiscretion, whether that indiscretion be rape, incest, or just having a body weakened by diabetes or heart disease? Just let me know.


31 posted on 11/05/2004 9:10:09 AM PST by iheartusa
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To: angelanddevil2

>Can you please tell me when the fetus reaches "personhood"?. I have seen the pic of aborted fetuses. TERRIBLE!!!!. I couldn't sleep well in months. With the shape of little persons...all mutilated...one arm here, one head there....If it's poison that is inserted, he moves to scape, because he already has the instict of survival. But of course he is trapped. The recovery of the great trauma of a rape or incest is not going to heal for the fact of killing the baby. It's not his fault. We have to fight against any possible discrimination that the mom could suffer, and offer her and the baby all our support.<

I have seen those propoganda photos too. Most abortions occur in the first trimester when the fetus is no where near the size you witnessed. What I've read they don't insert any poison into a woman. They use suction. But I would agree with you that an abortion is no pancea for the trauma of rape. Maybe some women would feel better somewhat knowing that they're not carrying the potential child of a rapist. True, the fetus is innocent. But I couldn't tell a woman you have to make this sacrafice and bear this child even though you've been raped. It's not up to me to make that decision for her, and it sure as hell isn't up to the state. As far as personhood, you're a person when you are born and have finally joined the world, your community, and your family in my opinion. There's no way to protect fetuses without making the rights of the mother secondary. You will see the state jailing pregnant women and forcing them to bear children against their wills, or maybe to avoid abortion all together for chronically ill women they might force them to be sterilized. When the state gets involved in matters this personal its a disaster. Look at China. They force women to have only one child and if they try to have more they are forced to abort! Thank G-d this is America and women have choice.


32 posted on 11/05/2004 9:43:14 AM PST by iheartusa
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To: iheartusa
Killing pre-born babies is never acceptable.

Advocating for abortion renders the advocate "liberal", if anything does. How can you favor the legality of abortion and simultaneously deny being liberal?

33 posted on 12/19/2004 7:33:39 PM PST by Giant Conservative
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To: Lorianne

The abortion issue have a signficant impact on how I vote. I choose pro-life candidates.


34 posted on 05/27/2005 12:37:30 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: iheartusa
"The alternative, to outlaw abortion will only kill women."

Hogwash. If women die getting back alley abortions, they killed themselves by their choices.

If abortion were made illegal, there'd be far fewer abortions. Many, MANY more lives would be saved than lost.

35 posted on 05/27/2005 12:41:05 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: iheartusa
"Do you honestly believe that if a holocaust of children was going on in this country that everyone, libs, conservatives, mods, whomever, and especially women, wouldn't say it's murder and rise up to do something about it?"

Many of those on your list haven risen up thus far. So the answer is no.

36 posted on 05/27/2005 12:42:50 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: iheartusa; Campion; angelanddevil2; JusPasenThru

A little thought experiment:

"I am pro-choice not pro-femicide. I think men are smart enough to decide how to handle their unwanted women. I also think it's unfair of you to characterize every man who seeks femicide as a "promiscuous horndog" who seeks to terminate a woman at the drop of the hat. Sometimes a man gets drunk and ends up in a bed with a woman; sometimes he acquires a woman for a little sport and then she decides she wants MORE; and sometimes a guy is just tired of having this female in his life. It should be his CHOICE when and how to terminate an unwanted relationship...

".. [F]emicide has been around for a long time; it was made illegal and the domestic partner-abuse and divorce and wife-abuse rate shot sky-high. Plus, do we really want to start policing freedom-loving men? How is that consistent with a free society? ...Every man has the freedom to end an unwanted relationship in the way he sees fit. Walk out the door, cut off her damn feeding tube, or Smith & Wesson. FREEDOM, CHOICE being the operative words here. P.S. I am no liberal."



Just as I thought! This isn't a mere pretext to legitimize snuffing one's babies. No, far from it. It's a fully-thought-out, highly practical political principle, applicable across a broad continuum of life-and-death situations. It's an ethic.

It's the freedom to privatize lethal choices!

Wow! Thank you, iheartusa! I could really use this!

(Signed)
Free American Male


37 posted on 05/27/2005 1:10:39 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (1 Timothy 2:4, God desires all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

You sent you comment to me, and I don't know why. I don't remember writing anything in this thread. But it is OK. I still don't understand what you mean.


38 posted on 05/27/2005 11:02:21 PM PDT by angelanddevil2
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I've reviewed. Yes I wrote in that thread. But I still don't understand what you mean.


39 posted on 05/27/2005 11:03:27 PM PDT by angelanddevil2
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To: angelanddevil2; iheartusa
I was responding to angelanddevil2's post 24 where you said,

"Can we start the killing-my-annoying-neighbor pro-choice Association?. Let's limit it to annoying neighbours younger than 25 and older than 42. We can hope that people will be responsible enough to not use the choice."

You made the same point I was making, namely, if this "pro-choice" stuff is really a matter of principle, and not just a custom-made cop-out, then it must be applicable to a wide range of instances. For example, you wonder why you couldn't be pro-choice in terms of terminating annoying neighbors. My example was a Free American Male making the choice to terminate his girlfriend or wife.

The bottom line: "pro-choice" falls apart because we really can't tolerate private choices for a course of action which involves a victim.

40 posted on 05/28/2005 5:51:58 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Make love. Accept no substitutes.)
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