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DAVID SHAW: RATHER's work 'Shoddy, Slipshod' not LIBERAL..?
Newsmax.com ^ | 9/26/2004 | CARL LIMBACHER

Posted on 09/26/2004 4:58:32 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE

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NEVER FORGET

...Now longtime Los Angeles Times Media Critic DAVID SHAW, who was one of the first to write in a column that MONICA-GATE was "Just about SeX" is today reporting about CBS News' Reporter DAN RATHER:

At 72, RATHER has lost none of the hard-charging, go-anywhere, do-anything determination to get the story that marked his rise to the top of the network news hierarchy. But now that drive has taken him to the abyss. (Wasn't it Dallas, Texas TV Reporter DAN RATHER that told the world the JFK had officially been declared dead, before JFK had been?)

"It wouldn't surprise him," SHAW says "if RATHER is a liberal, but he says after a dozen or so interviews with RATHER over the years, the veteran news anchor has never hinted at having an ideological bias." (Say WHAT?)

"Will RATHER be forced out of his CBS News anchor chair?" SHAW goes on to ask.

NEWSMAX.com's CARL LIMBACHER adds that while SHAW is not seeking RATHER's ouster, many journalists believe that if precedent and reputation mean anything to CBS, the decision is clear.

But NOT to Los Angeles Times Media Critic DAVID SHAW..?

NEVER FORGET

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


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I will NEVER FORGET personally telling DAVID SHAW, after my return from the 1st Major Battles of the Vietnam War, about the Anti-U.S. Mis-reporting of the Vietnam War by CBS News Reporters WALTER CRONKITE, DAN RATHER and MORLEY SAFER. A young DAVID SHAW was a Liberal supporting the Anti-War stance of then Presidential Candidate ROBERT F. KENNEDY and I of course argued against him with the CLARITY of Freedom's side.

DAN RATHER subverted our Fight for the Freedom of others in Vietnam long ago and is now subverting the Fight for our own here at home.

And this is what Los Angeles Times Media Critic DAVID SHAW should have been reporting all along about people like CLINTON-CASTRO Friend DAN RATHER to the American People ...but has neglected to.

Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer / Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965

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1 posted on 09/26/2004 4:58:32 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
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To: Carl/NewsMax; Alamo-Girl

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SHAW: RAHTER's 'Shoddy, Slipshod' Work Let to 'Aysss'

http://www.Newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/26/174955.shtml

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2 posted on 09/26/2004 5:00:15 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Only a far leftwing kook could say that Rather is not liberal.


3 posted on 09/26/2004 5:08:04 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: risk; PhilDragoo; Joy Angela; conservogirl; Ragtime Cowgirl; kristinn; Ann Coulter; Sean Hannity; ..

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NEVER FORGET


MEL's -PASSION- was sparked by -WE WERE SOLDIERS-

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=39081



Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer
Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965

http://www.WeWereSoldiers.com (Website)
http://www.ThePassionoftheChrist.com (Website)

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm (Photos)
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set2.htm (Photos)
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set3.htm (Photos)
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm (Photos)
http://www.lzxray.com/Ronnie3.jpg (Photo)


'MODERN DAY HEROES: In Defense of America'-
Contributing Author

http://www.ModernDayHeroes.com/aloha
Hit:.. 'Resource Center'
Hit..: 'Aloha Ronnie'


NEVER FORGET

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4 posted on 09/26/2004 5:13:48 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
"Why he thinks like I do...he obviously then is unbiased."--paraphrasing the between-the-lines meaning of his idiocy.

This guy thinks everyone but he and his fellow reporters are dolts.

The MSLM are learning, but they still have a ways to go.

5 posted on 09/26/2004 5:16:05 PM PDT by Pharmboy (History's greatest agent for freedom: The US Armed Forces)
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To: Brilliant

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...And now with the CLARITY of an Internet that I didn't have to fight Media Giants with upon my return from Vietnam in 1966..

...we are ALL qualified Media Critics for CLARITY here at Freerepublic.com...

...no matter WHO feels they can still snow us into confusion via the Media.

...It's been a long time in coming...
...but come it has, BIG TIME..!!!

GOD is GOOD

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6 posted on 09/26/2004 5:20:55 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Pharmboy; everyone

You all get it anyway, but -- I (unfortunately) live in La La land and know this poor excuse for a human being, David Shaw. He is one of the sleaziest creatures to walk this earth. When the LA Slimes got caught in a major log roll, running a huge puff-piece article on Staples Center without admitting they were one of the main investors, guess who they assigned to "investigate" the nascent scandal--? Thas' right, David Shaw. What a slime pit that paper is!!


7 posted on 09/26/2004 5:23:58 PM PDT by nimbysrule
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To: nimbysrule; Carl/NewsMax

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...And now the Head of CBS has appointed the former Head of the same Associated Press that was awarded a bogus PULITZER Prize for its false story about a Massacre at the Bridge of NO GUN RI, that NEVER happened, by a Columbia University PULITZER Prize Committee Headed by this same then Head of the Associated Press...

...to now investigate a lying DAN RATHER..?

...Say "WHAT?"


Associate Press must return its bogus -NO GUN RI- PULITZER

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=509

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8 posted on 09/26/2004 5:44:39 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

keep it out there.. post it on a web page and keep it going ...


9 posted on 09/26/2004 6:09:04 PM PDT by Gibtx (Wow)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

WHEN too many WORDS IN a TEXT are CAPITALIZED the result is DISTRACTING. I RECOMMEND that MAYBE you TRY to RE-format SUCH ARTICLES so THAT they ARE easier on THE EYES.


10 posted on 09/26/2004 6:30:40 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (<A HREF=http://www.michaelmoore.com>disingenuous filmmaker</A>)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

He's doing what CBS was doing a week ago. Admitting everything except for the blatantly obvious. Why? Because it would show that his enemies on the right are right.


11 posted on 09/26/2004 6:35:30 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
I will NEVER FORGET personally telling DAVID SHAW, after my return from the 1st Major Battles of the Vietnam War, about the Anti-U.S. Mis-reporting of the Vietnam War by CBS News Reporters WALTER CRONKITE, DAN RATHER and MORLEY SAFER. A young DAVID SHAW was a Liberal supporting the Anti-War stance of then Presidential Candidate ROBERT F. KENNEDY and I of course argued against him with the CLARITY of Freedom's side.

Thanks for the heads up, Ronnie.

I am so sorry they haven't learned, are carelessly hurting another generation of veterans (and the free world).

What will it take before they understand the enemy they serve hates freedom, their lives - their very souls?

12 posted on 09/26/2004 6:54:50 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("The proper response to difficulty is not to retreat -- it is to prevail."- Pres. Bush, CinC, 9/21)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Ugh!! You and I need to form a Slimed by David Shaw Survivors' group!!

Thank you for your service and for speaking out.


13 posted on 09/26/2004 7:04:28 PM PDT by nimbysrule
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To: Buckhead


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Hey, Buckhead, here's a flower 4-U.

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14 posted on 09/26/2004 7:28:45 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping!


15 posted on 09/26/2004 8:26:51 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: dr_who_2; Carl/NewsMax; kristinn

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...And now...

...even DAN "No Agenda" RATHER publically agrees with DAVID SHAW.


See...

DAN RATHER: White House Out to 'Smear; Me

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/3/113554.shtml

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16 posted on 10/03/2004 8:47:50 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

We're making progress. I suppose this is the equivalent of the insanity plea.


17 posted on 10/03/2004 3:14:42 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: dr_who_2

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Yup, they're still crazy...

...after all these years.


4-SURE, 4-SURE.

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18 posted on 10/03/2004 6:54:46 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: nimbysrule

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This is some of what I shared with a then young Long Beach Independent-Press Telegram Investigative Reporter & friend, DAVID SHAW, upon my return from the 1st Major Battles of the Vietnam War:


'WE WERE SOLDIERS ONCE...& YOUNG'...4 FREEDOM

http://www.Freerepublic.com/forum/a39626542519c.htm

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19 posted on 10/08/2004 1:43:03 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE


20 posted on 11/14/2004 2:15:34 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Pharmboy

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NEVER FORGET

November 23, 2004 =


A Day like all Days except...

DAN RATHER accnounced that he soon won't be there anymore on the 'CBS Evening News'


November 23, 2004 =

A Day that will live on for CLARITY in News.


NEVER FORGET


21 posted on 11/23/2004 11:33:15 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Kerry, Daschle, Rather:

THE HAT TRICK!

[gloat gloat gloat]

22 posted on 11/24/2004 3:45:22 AM PST by Pharmboy (Listen...you can still hear the old media sobbing.)
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To: Pharmboy

bump


23 posted on 11/24/2004 3:50:02 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: Pharmboy; foreverfree; MeekOneGOP; Brilliant; Carl/NewsMax; nimbysrule; Gibtx; RightWingAtheist; ...

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Freepers Rule 4-FREEDOM =


New York Daily News, 11/24/2004


DAN's fall is NIXONIAN

RATHER's smearing of his critics was even worse than the bogus hit on W

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/ent_radio/story/255889p-218967c.html




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24 posted on 11/24/2004 5:19:50 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Happy Thanksgiving.


25 posted on 11/24/2004 5:30:56 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: jocon307

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DAN is done

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1288086/posts

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26 posted on 11/24/2004 8:38:38 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

The thing that worries me is he says he's going to "pour his heart" into stories for 60 minutes I & II.

I still think he has an agenda, and is feeling rather like a "woman scorned"....

He will not go away, imho.


27 posted on 11/24/2004 8:49:16 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: Shortstop7

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20 years after his retirement from CBS News Anti-U.S. Internationalist, and No. 1 Media Defensive Linebacker for HILLARY,

WALTER CRONKITE

called for all our Southern States to secede from our Union.

The Enemy is now Within...
and always has been.

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28 posted on 11/24/2004 8:54:13 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Tell me you're kidding.......?


29 posted on 11/24/2004 9:15:31 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: Shortstop7

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Associated Press covered WALTER CRONKITE's call for the South to secede from the United States at a London World Conferance in Year 2000.

Shows one, also, where his sympathies laid during his TV Reporting on our fight for the Freedom of Others in Vietnam..?

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30 posted on 11/24/2004 9:40:20 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Shortstop7

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Surprise, Surprise..???


Internet Victim: L.A. Times Daily National

http://www.Newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/12/3/105701.shtml

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31 posted on 12/04/2004 10:21:16 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.comi)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

and we should give a rat's azz about what this guy thinks because...


32 posted on 12/04/2004 10:25:29 AM PST by puppetz
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To: puppetz; ModernDayHeroes.com

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DAVID SHAW has been one of the most respected Media Critics in the country for Decades, working at the Los Angeles Times, renowned as an unbiased Conscience of the Press. But he has been secretly Liberal biased all along.

Covering up for the Liberal lies of people like DAN RATHER and WALTER CRONKITE has been SHAW's lifetime M.O. I know, for I was the first to tell him about RATHER and CRONKITE's Vietnam War Misreporting when we met after my return from the 1st Major Battles of the Vietnam War in 1966.

And then there was the CLINTON Impeachment when a confused Public was first fed the "It's just about SeX" propaganda line from...

...DAVID SHAW in a Commentary/Opinion Article of the Los Angeles Times.

When JOHN KERRY's Vietnam TV Lies came along in 1971, Media Critic DAVID SHAW should have been all over him like a knife thru butter ..for I had already filled DAVE in on the true Heroics of American Soldiers fighting for the Freedom of others in Vietnam, despite the misreporting of CBS. SHAW wasn't there for us then because he probably agreed with KERRY.

While SHAW still had his Media Vechicle to vent his Liberal Agenda with long ago, I did not yet have an Internet to battle his Liberal Agenda with. I do now.

During the 2004 Presidential Campaign DAVE SHAW covered for a Network TV News Anchor, DAN RATHER, who had just attempted to bring down a sitting Commander-in-Chief in Time of War ..with forged Military documents. Again a true Media Critic, like DAVID SHAW should be, would have been all over this case, but he opted to cover for his fellow Liberal RATHER instead by saying DAN had no motive to attack the President, when he has all along.
Media Critic work Freerepublic.com Freeper Buckhead ended up doing for the man anyway ...and History was made.


But now...
the Enemy Within HILLARY...
has just started her engines for 2008.
And guess who's going to be there covering for Media Liberals who are busy covering for HILLARY this time around..?

You guessed it, Media "Critic" DAVID SHAW.


Unless..???


Signed:

"ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer of the Internet, at long last
http://www.ModernDayHeroes.com/aloha


33 posted on 12/04/2004 11:51:42 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.comi)
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To: puppetz

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PS: Many in today's Liberal Media look up to DAVID SHAW as their shining example of what's right about their own Journalism.

Time for a Change, perhaps..?

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34 posted on 12/04/2004 6:19:56 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.comi)
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To: beyond the sea; Howlin; Buckhead; bear11


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And now even...


...LIBERAL Columnist HOWARD FINEMAN agrees that...


..'The MEDIA Party is Over'..


http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1319185/posts


LIBERAL News Reporter HOWARD FINEMAN states in his MSNBC News Website's above titled column that...

...when the Mainstream News Media took sides in its reporting during the Vietnam War (ie RATHER, CRONKITE) ...

...it became a Poltical Party...

...and a News Media no more.

In other words,

...LIBERAL HOWARD FINEMAN agrees with the Message of this Thread FINALLY..!!!

...Please be aware that it has literally taken 40 years for this to come to pass...

...but on the backs of huge numbers of poor S.E. Asian souls who ended up paying the heaviest of prices in human suffering for decades in return.

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35 posted on 01/12/2005 8:36:28 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: beyond the sea; Buckhead; Howlin; bear11; risk; PhilDragoo; Carl/NewsMax; Clinton Is Scum

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...And here's just some of those Prices paid by so many in S.E. Asia...

...because of Political Agenda-driven misreporting of comparatively so few in the American Mainstream News Media during our fight against Terrorism in a then Free South Vietnam long ago:



Pictures of vietnamese Re-Education Camps

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

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36 posted on 01/12/2005 8:46:54 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
...but on the backs of huge numbers of poor S.E. Asian souls who ended up paying the heaviest of prices in human suffering for decades in return.

You said it.

37 posted on 01/12/2005 10:59:27 AM PST by beyond the sea (Andrea Mitchell is Barbra Streisand on peyote ......and the north end of a south bound mule.)
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To: beyond the sea; RonDog; DoughtyOne; Bob J; Howlin; Buckhead; Carl/NewsMax; kristinn; miss print; ...




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...RUSH LIMBAUGH read us a piece at the end of today's Conservative Talk Radio show, a Talk Show that unfortunately wasn't around during the Vietnam War to give us CLARITY on that Battle against Terrorism long ago.

...Seems this CBS Investigation of CBS' RATHER-GATE was Co-Headed by an Attorney DICK THORNBURGH, whose own Law Firm has....

...CBS as its Client..!!!

...RUSH went on to say that an Attorney's No. 1 Job for his Clients is to make sure they escape all legal liabilty for their actions.

...Thus we now have a CBS RATHER-GATE Investigative Report that does all it can to do just that...

...by "Seeing" no evidence of Political Agenda fore-knowledge of National Guard document forgeries by CBS News. And by not insisting on seeing those original documents. Original documents that are the very evidence Att. DICK THORNBURGH was supposedly commissioned to seek.

...These are things that a longtime LIBERAL Los Angeles Times Media Critic DAVID SHAW should be reporting to us on right now...

...but probably won't, based on his lifetime M.O., and not RUSH.
..(Prove me wrong, DAVE, Please)

...As a personal footnote here,

...please know that during the turbulent 1960's DAVID SHAW and I remained good friends, though we were forced to argue way too much perhaps about the Vietnam War and the effects of CBS News' mis-reporting of it. Each of us trying to convert the other to their point of view to no avail.

...In the end those arguments got to be too draining for us both and we had to finally say our Goodbye's to one another. I do consider this but one more personal casualty of CBS News' misreporting the Vietnam War to the American People. For I found DAVID SHAW to be a very engaging and charitable person and an otherwise good friend.

...But DAVE was informed early on by me in 1966 about my firsthand experiecne with a LIBERAL Media's Political Agenda to do all that it could to defeat Freedom for Vietam ...and they went on to defeat that Freedom.

...On that I have drawn the line and sacrificed much for years to make sure this reality gets out there to the American People thru our new News Media that's committed to CLARITY, thank GOD.

For it's...

COUNTRY First, no matter WHAT.

...And always should have been..!!

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38 posted on 01/12/2005 4:35:00 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
...But DAVE was informed early on by me

Sorry, it's probably me, no coffee yet, but who is the speaker of these words? Who is the "me"?

39 posted on 01/13/2005 3:50:50 AM PST by beyond the sea (Andrea Mitchell is Barbra Streisand on peyote ......and the north end of a south bound mule.)
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To: beyond the sea

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Me = Me (See Post No. 1)


Radioman Ronnie Guyer
HHC, 1/7th Cav 1965-66
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm


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40 posted on 01/13/2005 5:22:51 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Captain Peter Blood; beyond the sea


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Southern California's KTLA Channel 5 Morning Business Reporter has just reported that due to its low TV Ratings...


DAN RATHER's '60 Minutes II'...


...may be on its way to being cancelled.

That's even before RATHER is allowed to retire there..!!!

It's strictly business, ya know.
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41 posted on 01/14/2005 6:30:15 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Alamo-Girl; wagglebee


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Why,

even...

Ex-CBS News Prez can't stand RATHER:


http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1320438/posts

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42 posted on 01/14/2005 6:37:06 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Good to hear!


43 posted on 01/14/2005 6:50:34 AM PST by beyond the sea (Andrea Mitchell is Barbra Streisand on peyote ......and the north end of a south bound mule.)
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To: Howlin; Pharmboy

ping


44 posted on 01/14/2005 6:51:57 AM PST by beyond the sea (Andrea Mitchell is Barbra Streisand on peyote ......and the north end of a south bound mule.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping!


45 posted on 01/14/2005 7:31:21 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: beyond the sea; Pharmboy; Alamo-Girl


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...So RATHER is finally forced to resign his CBS-TV News Anchor Job...

...while CBS-TV says he's got his second TV Job at '60 Minutes-Wednesday' to fall back on.

.."Ooop's, guess again" says CBS President MOONVIES:


RATHER's Second Show May Be Toast

http://www.Newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/1/14/160924.shtml


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46 posted on 01/15/2005 5:29:03 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping!


47 posted on 01/15/2005 10:06:14 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

i read david shaw's "media critic" articles for years,

and shaw's articles suck!


48 posted on 01/16/2005 8:25:29 AM PST by ken21 (no offense intended.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
DAN RATHER subverted our Fight for the Freedom of others in Vietnam

I've heard reported that many former NVA and VC say that they were tricked. They were told that the suppression of freedom was necessary during the fight with the Americans, but once the Americans were driven out, the government would allow the people to have the same kind of freedom enjoyed in the south.

49 posted on 01/16/2005 8:30:33 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Deadcheck the embeds first.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets


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I've had former North Vietnamese Army members tell me here in America that HO CHI MINH had lied to them during the Vietnam War when he told them to fght on because things would be so much better for all of Vietnam when once unified under Communism.

They then told me that everything got much worse in both the North and the South of Vietnam after the Fall of Saigon to Communist North Vietnamese invaders.

So much so that even they found themselves forced to flee that enslaved country right along side those they had conquered.

As they yelled out:

.."HO CHI MINH lied to us"
.."HO CHI MINH lied to us"


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50 posted on 01/16/2005 1:55:57 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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