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Europe's Quieter War on Terrorism [U.S. should "move on" from 9/11 attacks -- it's a police matter]
International Herald Tribune / The Boston Globe ^ | September 27, 2004 | Charles M. Sennott

Posted on 09/27/2004 10:24:36 AM PDT by 68skylark

Some EU members question Bush's plan

MADRID A citybound train rumbled along with purpose on the same commuter line where bombs inflicted brutal carnage on March 11, killing 191 people and wounding hundreds more.

On a day this month, passengers read their newspapers, snoozed and chatted. The mood suggested that Spaniards, hardened by decades of struggle against terrorism, have moved on, and that Americans and Europeans have responded in vastly different ways to the threat of global terrorism.

For the United States, the response to Sept. 11 was to launch a "war on terror," one cast in terms of good and evil and marked with somber ceremonies, fought more with armies than with indictments. But for Spain, as well as for France, Germany and Britain, all countries that have suffered a history of terrorist violence, the focus is a "struggle" against a criminal element.

These European countries have expressed a more quiet but collective resolve to work within an international consensus to fight terrorism. In the eyes of many European counterterrorism specialists and officials, the Bush administration's reliance on conventional military means can serve to provoke more terrorism.

The contrasting strategic visions translate into diverging tactics on the ground.

The United States' confrontation with terrorism turns now on a long-term commitment of troops in Iraq. Spain's newly elected prime minister, José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero, fulfilled a campaign promise to pull Spanish troops out of Iraq, but also increased Madrid's commitment to peacekeeping in Afghanistan.

(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: kerryforeignpolicy
Our enemy is Al Queida, not European socalists. But the socalists want us to become so impotent and "sensitive" in our response to terrorsim that they'd create new opportunities for the Islamic fascists to hit us again and again, harder than before.

I hope we never choose the course of weakness, inaction and "sensitivity" in order to get along with old Europe. We'll soon find which choice Americans prefer.

1 posted on 09/27/2004 10:24:36 AM PDT by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark

Europe can kiss my ass. That attitude is what got us into this mess.


2 posted on 09/27/2004 10:25:47 AM PDT by IamJustright
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To: 68skylark

Wonder if they will be spewing this crap when the next train is blown up with hundred + or more is on board?


3 posted on 09/27/2004 10:26:49 AM PDT by Kackikat
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To: IamJustright

I say take off nuke the site from orbit it is the only way to be sure.


4 posted on 09/27/2004 10:27:32 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Member of 3rd Pajamahadeen Division, 2nd Boxer Shorts Brigade, 4th Bunny Slipper Battalion)
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To: 68skylark
But for Spain, as well as for France, Germany and Britain, all countries that have suffered a history of terrorist violence, the focus is a "struggle" against a criminal element.

At least all of the attacks on US interests since 9/11 have been on foreign soil, and not in the US of A. President Bush moved the battlefield to 'one of his chosing'. And away from CONUS... where my children and grandchildren live.

/john

5 posted on 09/27/2004 10:29:19 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper
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To: Kackikat

Exactly.

The reason they even have a long history of suffering terrorists attacks in the first place is because they chose to appease instead of crushing the perpetrators.

This is America, damn it, not Europe. We solve our problems here, not shove them off to someone else...will these new age socialists never get it??


6 posted on 09/27/2004 10:30:33 AM PDT by liberty_lvr (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.)
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To: 68skylark

Criminal elements? What happens when entire countries train and field these "criminals"? Are you going to call the police on Iran?! They're not here to steal your CD player. They're here to kill you.

I wish the Euros would smarten up a little bit, maybe help preserve our shared civilization...?


7 posted on 09/27/2004 10:31:17 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Flee...into the peace and safety of a new dark age." HP Lovecraft)
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To: 68skylark

Socialism is still an enemy of freedom.

This weakness towards terrorism is pure Dhimmitude in action.

Guliani mentioned in his convention speech the abysmal act when the Germans *let go* a terrorist murderer from the 1972 Munich Olympics attack on Israeli olympic team. How much good did that do? It merely emboldened the terrorists further.


8 posted on 09/27/2004 10:31:42 AM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: 68skylark
Here, let me edit this:

"Spaniards, hardened softened by decades of struggle inaction against terrorism,...

There; fixed!

9 posted on 09/27/2004 10:37:30 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: 68skylark
I aplaud my government for sending troops to kill terrorists where ever they may be found in concentrations large enough to make killing them effective. That is what is now happening in Iraq.

I have send a letter of condolence to the Russian embasy regarding the Beslan school terrorism. In my letter I wished their soldiers who will be sent to find and kill those responsible, good hunting.

This is not a police matter. Police are not generally set up to handle the types of things that terrorists can and will do. While a few police departments may have SWAT teams with sufficient training and equipment to handle a small terrorist group, sending the military to the terrorist training grounds or drawing them into fighting on foreign soil is much preferable.

I don't want to ever learn that terrorists have kidnapped people in the US and are beheading them on US soil. If certain European countries are not careful that will soon happen in Europe.

10 posted on 09/27/2004 10:37:46 AM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: 68skylark

Clintoon already tried fighting Radical Islamic militants through legal means. If taking a military approach creates more terrorists, then why were we hit with the 9/11 attacks after a decade of taking the legalistic approach? According to the Lefts reasoning, we should not have been attacked since we didn't use military force to provoke an attack. Logic and Leftism are incompatible. Lefties need to grow a brain and learn from their mistakes. But then, if they did, they would no longer be Leftists.


11 posted on 09/27/2004 10:47:10 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((This Message Paid for by the Kerry for President of Transylvania Committee))))
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To: 68skylark
The mood suggested that Spaniards, hardened by decades of struggle against terrorism, have moved on,

The Spaniards are kidding themselves.

I'd bet that the "apparent" peacefulness in Spain is not so much a result of the approach the Spanish government is taking as it is a result of the approach the jihadists are taking there.

Even though Jihadists use different tactics for different enemies, they ain for an ultimate win in all situations.

"Jefferson's plan for an international coalition [against the Barbary Pirates]

foundered on the shoals of [European] indifference

and a belief that it was cheaper to pay the tribute than fight a war."

Gerard W. Gawalt
Manuscript Division, Library of Congress



12 posted on 09/27/2004 10:48:03 AM PDT by syriacus (Leno: Kerry's like so many other kids in impoverished areas who turn to POLO as a way out.)
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To: 68skylark
JOHN FRENCH KERRY & JACQUES CHIRAC HAVE A SECRET PLAN


13 posted on 09/27/2004 10:50:20 AM PDT by drpix
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Some people think strength breeds terrorism. Some people think weakness breeds terrorism.

Socialists believe the former. But here in the land of the free and the home of the brave, Americans believe the later.
14 posted on 09/27/2004 10:53:02 AM PDT by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark; Free ThinkerNY
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."
- Prime Minister Winston Churchill
15 posted on 09/27/2004 11:01:27 AM PDT by drpix
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To: 68skylark

Explain to me how a French cop is going to be allowed on Syrian territory to apprehend a terrorist?????

Schizoids at work.


16 posted on 09/27/2004 11:16:03 AM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: 68skylark

Just relax, everyone - Inspector Clouseau will be on the job!


17 posted on 09/27/2004 11:18:08 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: drpix
That's the funniest picture of John Kerry. The clothes, the gesture, the facial expression -- it looks exactly like him!
18 posted on 09/27/2004 11:20:09 AM PDT by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark

Makes me wonder if John French Kerry used to shop with his buddy Chirac (also in the pix) when he was growing up in Swiss boarding schools and spending summers in France with his French cousins?


19 posted on 09/27/2004 11:31:14 AM PDT by drpix
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To: drpix

Yeah, it looks like the have the same tailor.


20 posted on 09/27/2004 11:32:32 AM PDT by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark
Yes, I can see how according to their view attacking Nazi Germany created more nazis. Why world war II could have been avoided if we took this approach.

The propensity of the drowing man drowining his rescuer is commonplace. I say we nuke Europe now, we'll throw in the arabs for free.



21 posted on 09/27/2004 12:07:05 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat)
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To: Owl_Eagle

I have just one word for these socialist, cowardly EuroPeons: blowme!!!


22 posted on 09/27/2004 12:16:14 PM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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To: HenryLeeII
blowme!!!

That sums up how I feel too.

23 posted on 09/27/2004 3:05:41 PM PDT by 68skylark
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