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A national retail sales tax? GREAT IDEA!
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 09/24/2004 | Herman Cain

Posted on 09/27/2004 2:41:31 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe

The most popular of the various national retail sales tax plans is called the FairTax. It is in both houses of Congress today as HB 25 and SB 1493. It is a replacement, not an add-on, for the federal income tax and for federal payroll taxes collected to fund Social Security and Medicare.

The FairTax provides a dollar-for-dollar replacement of all revenues now collected through such taxes and eliminates the need for annual and quarterly income tax filings, the surveillance by the federal government of wages and investment income and the need for anyone to hire an expert in order to comply with federal tax laws.

The FairTax is a progressive tax. The biggest-spending wealthy will pay an effective tax of $23 for every $77 they spend on new products and services. The poorest get money back. American families would receive a monthly refund equaling the amount of sales tax a poverty-level family would normally pay.

As such, the FairTax eliminates federal taxes on the poor, including highly regressive Social Security taxes. This automatic refund won't mean much to the wealthy but will be quite significant to low- and moderate-income families and to those on fixed incomes. Everyone receives the refund, including the wealthy, in order to eliminate both means testing for the poorest Americans and the need to track earnings for everyone.

The FairTax has no exemptions, no shelters and no complex tax dodges available primarily to the wealthy and special-interest groups. The only thing every taxpayer can know about the current tax code is that it is an 8-million-word mess that no one has ever read. But even a child can understand the 13 words that define the FairTax: "The FairTax is applied to all new goods and services delivered at retail."

The FairTax captures billions of dollars of revenues currently lost in the underground economy. Even drug dealers would pay their share of taxes when they purchase goods and services. The simple fact is, the more money one spends under the FairTax, the more consumption taxes one pays. Those who buy luxury items pay more; those who live more modestly pay less.

The FairTax also eliminates the IRS' unwelcome surveillance of every penny of income earned, loaned, won or invested by American citizens. In place of the huge bureaucracy created to collect federal taxes, the FairTax uses the states' sales tax infrastructure to collect taxes at the point of retail sale.

The intrusive interest from our government into citizens' financial status is eliminated overnight.

We can achieve the dream of upward economic mobility for all if we first believe our goal is attainable. The FairTax — truly an issue that delivers on the promise of individual liberty — will survive the distortions of presidential politics, and with a demanding public, the FairTax will achieve the congressional passage and a signature from the White House. It all starts with telling the public the truth and believing we can change things. I believe.

• Herman Cain also has served as chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City and as CEO of Godfather's Pizza. He recently ran for the U.S. Senate from Georgia.


TOPICS: US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: fairtax; taxes; taxreform
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Inez should put that in her pipe and smoke it.
1 posted on 09/27/2004 2:41:32 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe
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To: LowCountryJoe

the Oprah "free car" incident proves Americans would better
off knowing the true cost of taxes. These people didn't have a clue.If we didn't have payroll withholding taxes and
people had to make out a yearly or quarterly check, there
would be a tax revolt, but since half the population doesn't
pay any tax and gets a "rebate", they don't care.


2 posted on 09/27/2004 2:44:18 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece)
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To: LowCountryJoe

It would be wonderful if they would pass it, but I have a feeling that some of the fat cats who have set up deductions to benefit themselves and their high dollar donators will put the kibosh on it.


3 posted on 09/27/2004 2:44:37 PM PDT by midwyf
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To: LowCountryJoe
The FairTax is a progressive tax. The biggest-spending wealthy will pay an effective tax of $23 for every $77 they spend on new products and services.

My quick scan doesn't pick out how they plan to do this. But I believe that this proposal only taxes big ticket items above $500, so as to "tax the wealthy".

Anyone who works in manufacturing in the US had best squeel loud about this. It will complete the destruction of manufacturing in the US, as most such items are above $500.

I can see an economy dominated by $499 items, convienently combined to make something that would cost more. Motorcycles sold with frame and engine separate. Airconditioner "kits" sold in pieces. Etc.

This is a mess and will be worse than what we've got.

4 posted on 09/27/2004 2:53:36 PM PDT by narby (Kerry - The great whiner)
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To: LowCountryJoe

GO MR.CAIN


5 posted on 09/27/2004 2:55:55 PM PDT by y2k_free_radical (m)
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To: LowCountryJoe

see www.fairtax.org

Great site to promote the Fair Tax


6 posted on 09/27/2004 2:56:40 PM PDT by bear11 ("In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." George Orwell)
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To: LowCountryJoe
Clinton was known to use IRS audits to harass his critics as did Nixon. Thus, the income tax and the IRS is like the US's Gestapo. A National Sales Tax would be nice but I hardly think the politicians will be willing to give up the power to control.

The Golden Rule = those with the Gold, Rule.

7 posted on 09/27/2004 2:59:21 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: narby
But I believe that this proposal only taxes big ticket items above $500, so as to "tax the wealthy".

Not true at all. See fairtax.org for details.

8 posted on 09/27/2004 2:59:24 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent (Rather delenda est)
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To: ancient_geezer; Principled

Fairtax ping


9 posted on 09/27/2004 3:00:12 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent (Rather delenda est)
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To: LowCountryJoe

How would drug dealers pay their fair share if they don't report their illicit income and qualify as one of the poor who get their money back? Am I missing something?


10 posted on 09/27/2004 3:02:24 PM PDT by Yogafist
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To: LowCountryJoe

A replacement! YESSSS!!!!!


11 posted on 09/27/2004 3:06:11 PM PDT by jackibutterfly
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To: narby
Manufacturers wouldn't pay ANY tax. Only the finish product is taxed. OEM's are tax free. Where we used to collect tax at every "Value added" stage, we would now only collect at the Point of Sale. This means the tax burden is spread to imports as well. It is a defacto tarif, and would actually bring work home.
12 posted on 09/27/2004 3:07:56 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Yogafist

If the tax is collected at the time of purchase, even drug dealers would pay. All underground income would then be subject to the tax when the money was spent. But to be fair and remain revenue neutral, the percentage should be reduced as government costs are reduced. (e.g. no further need for the tens of thousands of I.R.S. employees now working in compliance and collection.)


13 posted on 09/27/2004 3:16:19 PM PDT by jimthewiz
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To: LowCountryJoe
Let's see now. Tack on a National Sales Tax of probably 20% onto a state and county sales tax of 7-8% and "voila" we'll be back where we started>

There would still be the onorus federal bureaucracy to make certain all the tax was collected and many forms would have to be filed to make certain we have purchased enough taxable goods to have paid our "fair share."

Rebates would have to be made to the "working poor" so that they could purchase more goodies.

I'm in favor of taxing lower income workers at a higher rate than the upper income workers in order to get the lower income workers to get off their dead arses amd PRODUCE!

14 posted on 09/27/2004 3:18:15 PM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: jimthewiz
If the tax is collected at the time of purchase, even drug dealers would pay...

Oh, please.

15 posted on 09/27/2004 3:19:09 PM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: LowCountryJoe

This is a dumb thing to be talking about at election time.

And WHO is pushing this? democRATS are saying it's Dubya's
idea, and they're supposedly convincing lots of undecided's
to vote RAT party because of this!!!

This whole idea should only be broached at TAX TIME, and
ONLY if it combined with a repeal of the amendment that
gave us the INCOME TAX + permanent dismantlement of the IRS.

(so basically its almost certain to never happen)


16 posted on 09/27/2004 3:20:28 PM PDT by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: Rakkasan1

the lifetime self employed like me have known all of this for a lifetime...

however...a flat national sales tax doesn't do much for me....I already pay 10% sales tax to Tennessee and huge property and F&E taxes on my investments...and I max out FICA of course

...a flat national tax of 25% with no deductions would probably be worse for me

for the paycheck crowd...it might be better if they are in the higher brackets


17 posted on 09/27/2004 3:25:35 PM PDT by wardaddy
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To: JesseHousman

"Oh, please."

I gather you're thinking drug dealers would collect sales tax from the users? Of course not. But they have to buy cars and food and gas and beer like everyone else, so their drug money gets taxed when the spend it.

Now, of course, one of the 'perks' to working under the table or on illegal things is you dodge the income tax.


18 posted on 09/27/2004 3:27:56 PM PDT by No.6
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To: LowCountryJoe
Step right up and join my energy co-op! Invest in energy, not taxes. No retail transactions involved. Your investment pays dividends in the form of ... gallons of gasoline ... TAX FREE gasoline, since it's not a retail transaction.


That's just one idea. I'm sure the really creative people out there will find lots of other ways around that 'simple' tax structure.

Would it be better than the current income tax, with bloated, despotic IRS in charge? Well, it certainly couldn't be any worse . . .

. . . unless the politicians decide to institute a national sales tax in addition to an income tax - with tax rates adjusted, of course, to be 'revenue neutral.' But just in case, you see, that the calculations turn out to be in error and instead of 23%, they need, oh, 25% or so - to be truly revenue neutral, they better leave the current system in place as well. For our own good, of course.

I think income taxes are the worst possible approach to taxation - penalizing people for delivering goods or services that someone is willing to pay for. That should be encouraged, not attacked. But I don't trust politicians, and I have a healthy respect for the ingenuity of the American entrepreneur. This will not be as simple as the proponents claim.

And I'd make a large bet that if it ever starts to look like it's actually going to happen, someone in Washington will have decided how to use it to grab more of our money (perhaps downstream a year or two) - not be revenue neutral.
19 posted on 09/27/2004 3:28:05 PM PDT by Gorjus
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To: ThinkDifferent
Well, I'll look at it.

But being as how the US is the most successful economy on the planet, and we've been saddled by this income tax for decades, I'll have to be seriously convinced that somehow this is "better" before I'll support it.

The fact that it's "progressive", is enough to make me skeptical already.

20 posted on 09/27/2004 3:28:25 PM PDT by narby (Kerry - The great whiner)
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