A BASSFIRE creation.
Posted on 09/29/2004 8:00:45 AM PDT by finnman69
JK: We should not — it depends on the outcome ultimately — and that depends on the leadership. And we need better leadership to get the job done successfully, but I would not have gone to war knowing that there was no imminent threat — there were no weapons of mass destruction — there was no connection of Al Qaeda — to Saddam Hussein! The president misled the American people — plain and simple. Bottom line.
DS: So if it turns out okay, it was worth it?
JK: No.
One question and the debate and election is over:
BUSH: Senator Kerry, How can America elect a president during a war on terrorism who does not know that there are indeed links between Al Qaeda?
Given how Congress has made as many or more mistakes than our intelligence services, I am unwilling to take the 9/11 Commission or Senate Intelligence Reports as the final arbiter of truth about much of anything.
This is what the book The Connections has to say about the matter of an Iraq/AQ connection as it related to a 9/11 planning meeting. You will note it has far more detail than what a bunch of guys sitting at a desk in Washington were able to find out.
In late February 2004, Christopher Carney made an astonishing discovery. Carney, a political science professor from Pennsylvania on leave to work at the Pentagon, was poring over a list of officers in Saddam Hussein's much-feared security force, the Fedayeen Saddam. One name stood out: Lieutenant Colonel Ahmed Hikmat Shakir. The name was not spelled exactly as Carney had seen it before, but such discrepancies are common. Having studied the relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda for 18 months, he immediately recognized the potential significance of his find. According to a report last week in the Wall Street Journal, Shakir appears on three different lists of Fedayeen officers.
An Iraqi of that name, Carney knew, had been present at an al Qaeda summit in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, on January 5-8, 2000. U.S. intelligence officials believe this was a chief planning meeting for the September 11 attacks. Shakir had been nominally employed as a "greeter" by Malaysian Airlines, a job he told associates he had gotten through a contact at the Iraqi embassy. More curious, Shakir's Iraqi embassy contact controlled his schedule, telling him when to show up for work and when to take a day off.
A greeter typically meets VIPs upon arrival and accompanies them through the sometimes onerous procedures of foreign travel. Shakir was instructed to work on January 5, 2000, and on that day, he escorted one Khalid al Mihdhar from his plane to a waiting car. Rather than bid his guest farewell at that point, as a greeter typically would have, Shakir climbed into the car with al Mihdhar and accompanied him to the Kuala Lumpur condominium of Yazid Sufaat, the American-born al Qaeda terrorist who hosted the planning meeting.
The meeting lasted for three days. Khalid al Mihdhar departed Kuala Lumpur for Bangkok and eventually Los Angeles. Twenty months later, he was aboard American Airlines Flight 77 when it plunged into the Pentagon at 9:38 A.M. on September 11. So were Nawaf al Hazmi and his younger brother, Salem, both of whom were also present at the Kuala Lumpur meeting.
Six days after September 11, Shakir was captured in Doha, Qatar. He had in his possession contact information for several senior al Qaeda terrorists: Zahid Sheikh Mohammed, brother of September 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed; Musab Yasin, brother of Abdul Rahman Yasin, the Iraqi who helped mix the chemicals for the first World Trade Center attack and was given safe haven upon his return to Baghdad; and Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, otherwise known as Abu Hajer al Iraqi, described by one top al Qaeda detainee as Osama bin Laden's "best friend."
Despite all of this, Shakir was released. On October 21, 2001, he boarded a plane for Baghdad, via Amman, Jordan. He never made the connection. Shakir was detained by Jordanian intelligence. Immediately following his capture, according to U.S. officials familiar with the intelligence on Shakir, the Iraqi government began exerting pressure on the Jordanians to release him. Some U.S. intelligence officials--primarily at the CIA--believed that Iraq's demand for Shakir's release was pro forma, no different from the requests governments regularly make on behalf of citizens detained by foreign nationals. But others, pointing to the flurry of phone calls and personal appeals from the Iraqi government to the Jordanians, disagreed. This panicked reaction, they say, reflected an interest in Shakir at the highest levels of Saddam Hussein's regime.
CIA officials who interviewed Shakir in Jordan reported that he was generally uncooperative. But even in refusing to talk, he provided some important information: The interrogators concluded that his evasive answers reflected counterinterrogation techniques so sophisticated that he had probably learned them from a government intelligence service. Shakir's nationality, his contacts with the Iraqi embassy in Malaysia, the keen interest of Baghdad in his case, and now the appearance of his name on the rolls of Fedayeen officers--all this makes the Iraqi intelligence service the most likely source of his training.
The Jordanians, convinced that Shakir worked for Iraqi intelligence, went to the CIA with a bold proposal: Let's flip him. That is, the Jordanians would allow Shakir to return to Iraq on the condition that he agree to report back on the activities of Iraqi intelligence. And, in one of the most egregious mistakes by the U.S. intelligence community after September 11, the CIA agreed to Shakir's release. He posted a modest bail and returned to Iraq.
He hasn't been heard from since.
Whether Shakir was Fedayeen is up to interpretation. That he is an Iraqi officer of some importance who was present at a 9/11 planning meeting seems indisputable.
"Thanks but no thanks, John. When you can come up with ONE position on a subject, I'll think about it. Until then, I'm not getting into an argument with someone who has six positions on each issue. How could I even keep track of what to debate against? No, let's just do the debate like we all agreed upon, Johnny."
What you didn't mention is that Shakir is definitely an Iraqi who attended a 9/11 planning session.
(NOTICE: The 9/11 Commission Report released July 22 contradicts thespeculation about Shakir's identity. Buried in Footnote 49 of Ch. 6:
Commission Report: Mihdhar was met at the Kuala Lumpur airport by Ahmad Hikmat Shakir, an Iraqi national. Reports that he was a lieutenant colonel in the Iraqi Fedayeen have turned out to be incorrect. They were based on a confusion of Shakir's identity with that of an Iraqi Fedayeen colonel with a similar name, who was later (in September 2001) in Iraq at the same time Shakir was in police custody in Qatar.)
True
any video links to this interview?
On the money. Never ceases to amaze me how FReepers can edit things down to the basics and distill the essence of a 47-minute acceptance speech (Kerry's, of course) down to just one paragraph. Kudos.
She was not twisting - that is nuts?
She was trying to understand what he is saying.
I've read it twice, and I don't know what he is saying - he is contradicting himself.
I sure hope I can convince Mr. Mabelkitty to watch the debates tomorrow - this is going to be fun!
If DS can get him so twisted around with her short questions, think what Bush will do to him in the debates.
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The 9/11 report stated: "Reports that he was a lieutenant colonel in the Iraqi Fedayeen have turned out to be incorrect. They were based on a confusion of Shakir's identity with that of an Iraqi Fedayeen colonel with a similar name, who was later (in September 2001) in Iraq at the same time Shakir was in police custody in Qatar.)"
This article
: "The person in Malaysia was named Ahmad Hikmat Shakir Azzawi and the man in the Iraqi Fedayeen was named Hikmat Shakir Ahmad." (I assume this is a left leaning author, but the fact remains that there is a rebuttal that has not been addresed.)
All I'm saying is that this evidence has been called into question officially... and SINCE THEN, I have not heard any quality defense of the original claims.
...the best you have provided above is: "The name was not spelled exactly as Carney had seen it before, but such discrepancies are common." (It seems to be more then just spelling)
I consider myself a faif and honest person... and an honest person will need more than that.
errrgh.... the above "faif" should read "fair"
Thanks.
Thanks.
That's a remarkably dishonest way to put it, given that you haven't posted a shred of evidence that he was.
As far as your claim that I "didn't mention" that Shakir was Iraqi, well, that's just a flat-out lie. Perhaps you just missed those words "an Iraqi national" in my post, but I doubt it. I think it's just another overt misrepresentation of what I said by you.
freestyle, you said it all right there.
Was that a transcript? He has tied himself up in knots, that is priceless. People are going to tune him out because they won't be able to grasp what he is saying. It is gibberish!
A BASSFIRE creation.
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