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Kerry wants MANDATORY national service for college tuition!!!
http://web.archive.org/web/20040210043828/www.johnkerry.com/issues/natservice/ ^ | John Kerry

Posted on 09/29/2004 12:49:29 PM PDT by hipaatwo

Part of 100 days Plan to Enlist One Million Americans in National Service A Year

On September 11th, 2001, America experienced the most terrible and deadly attack in its history. John Kerry believes we need to think big and do better and get more young Americans serving the nation.

As part of his 100 day plan to change America, John Kerry will propose a comprehensive service plan that includes requiring mandatory service for high school students and four years of college tuition in exchange for two years of national service.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040210043828/www.johnkerry.com/issues/natservice/


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1 posted on 09/29/2004 12:49:29 PM PDT by hipaatwo
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To: hipaatwo

hm. You feel a draft in here?


2 posted on 09/29/2004 12:50:33 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: hipaatwo
As part of his 100 day plan to change America, John Kerry will propose a comprehensive service plan that includes requiring mandatory service for high school students

And to think the Dems are getting after Bush with bogus allegations about a draft...

3 posted on 09/29/2004 12:50:37 PM PDT by dirtboy (Kerry could have left 'Nam within a week if Purple Hearts were awarded for shots to the foot.)
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To: hipaatwo

Really? Kinda deflates the "Bush is gonna draft ya" rumor.


4 posted on 09/29/2004 12:51:15 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: dirtboy

Wonder how THAT'S gonna go over!


5 posted on 09/29/2004 12:51:17 PM PDT by freepertoo
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To: hipaatwo

Don't worry. He'll change his mind tomorrow.


6 posted on 09/29/2004 12:51:33 PM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: hipaatwo

Sounds like a draft to me. LOL Doesn't this idiot know what he said yesterday?


7 posted on 09/29/2004 12:51:35 PM PDT by Fatalis
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To: hipaatwo

Now, who wants that draft?


8 posted on 09/29/2004 12:51:44 PM PDT by demlosers (The FreeRepublic Pajama Press!)
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To: hipaatwo

Where's the source??


9 posted on 09/29/2004 12:52:17 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Rutles4Ever
hm. You feel a draft in here?

Hmmmnnnn... Just got a little chill. Servitude? I think not! Especially when the "public service" revolves around some form of socialist function.

10 posted on 09/29/2004 12:52:33 PM PDT by meyer (Proud member of the Pajamarazzi!)
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To: hipaatwo

BUMP!


11 posted on 09/29/2004 12:52:56 PM PDT by jmstein7 (A Judge not bound by the original meaning of the Constitution interprets nothing but his own mind.)
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To: meyer

Does this mean cleaning up highways for two years or volunteering at Planned Parenthood for two years?


12 posted on 09/29/2004 12:57:24 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: hipaatwo
Actually that's pretty good effin' idea from John Effin' Kerry.

Also, does national service mean the military? Nope. Could the country benefit from trading the exhorbitant cost of college tuition for an ROI in government service - during a time of national crisis mind you - from young adults who have proven themselves disciplined enough to get through a four-year degree program? You bet. Will the funding of tuition be tied to performance (GPA > 3.5)? I should think so. Do I sound like Donald Rumsfeld? Heavens to Betsy, yes.

13 posted on 09/29/2004 12:57:48 PM PDT by Archangelsk (Plain, simple soldier. Nothing more, nothing less.)
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To: Always Right

See the link to the Kerry website at the bottom of the article. I just checked it and the quote's accurate.


14 posted on 09/29/2004 12:58:26 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: Archangelsk

LOL - I can almost picture Rummy saying your exact words!


15 posted on 09/29/2004 12:59:57 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: hipaatwo

Is this a joke? We don't have the Kennedy peace Corps flavor going here, so it sounds like a draft. Almost seems like Kerry is throwing the election, not that he would win anyway.


16 posted on 09/29/2004 1:00:19 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: Rutles4Ever; Lady Jag
You feel a draft in here?

I was against a draft, before I was for a draft.

Just another of skerry's flip-flops.

17 posted on 09/29/2004 1:03:38 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (skerry's plan for oil independence - turn heinz tomatoes into oil????)
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To: libstripper

I read all of the points of his program on the website and it scares the hell out of me. I sounds just like a perfect beginning of a communist state. As a matter of fact in one of the planks of the plan he actually calls out for neighborhood BLOCK CAPTAINS!!!!!!!!

Gee, I wonder what party affiliation they will have?


18 posted on 09/29/2004 1:05:07 PM PDT by DH
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To: Arrowhead1952

Perhaps I don't understand, but who pays for these kids tuition?


19 posted on 09/29/2004 1:08:23 PM PDT by finallyatexan
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To: DH

Neighborhood block captains are right out of Cuba.


20 posted on 09/29/2004 1:08:24 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: Archangelsk
Also, does national service mean the military? Nope. Could the country benefit from trading the exhorbitant cost of college tuition for an ROI in government service - during a time of national crisis mind you - from young adults who have proven themselves disciplined enough to get through a four-year degree program? You bet. Will the funding of tuition be tied to performance (GPA > 3.5)? I should think so. Do I sound like Donald Rumsfeld? Heavens to Betsy, yes.

How about they just get a job and pay their own tuition.

The cost of tuition is atn issue, but as long as the government is giving money to subsidize it, colleges will find stupid ways to spend it. Allow some competitiveness in the college world (get the "board of regents" monopoly out of the way) and there's no reason that colleges can't give a solid education for less than $2000 per year without any subsidy.

21 posted on 09/29/2004 1:08:38 PM PDT by meyer (Proud member of the Pajamarazzi!)
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To: freepertoo

I suggest using "view source" and archiving this page.
It'll "vanish" soon.


22 posted on 09/29/2004 1:08:39 PM PDT by Salamander (Pirates of the Appalachians)
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To: Rutles4Ever

It's a kinder, gentler draft.
Like the infamous "boiling frog", they won't notice it until it's too late.


23 posted on 09/29/2004 1:10:06 PM PDT by Salamander (Pirates of the Appalachians)
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To: RightWhale

It's real. Follow the link to the Kerry website (you may have to copy and paste to your browser) at the bottom of the article. Once you get there and follow further links to the rest of his plan, you'll see a lot of it is pure communism.


24 posted on 09/29/2004 1:11:48 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: finallyatexan
Perhaps I don't understand, but who pays for these kids tuition?

"The Government", silly!



See?
25 posted on 09/29/2004 1:12:08 PM PDT by motzman (to the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time.....)
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To: Arrowhead1952; Rutles4Ever

Laid end to end, sKerry's flip-flops would reach Uranus.


26 posted on 09/29/2004 1:12:31 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: hipaatwo

Is this new or is it brain fart he had fighting Howard Dean last year?


27 posted on 09/29/2004 1:13:33 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: hipaatwo

Yay, mandatory service. As in, "serve or be punished". Didn't we have some sort of internal conflict over that, about 160 years ago? Perhaps between northern and southern states?

No thanks, I'd like to leave American slavery in the past.


28 posted on 09/29/2004 1:14:38 PM PDT by leoncaruthers
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To: hipaatwo

A Kerry presidency will see America's fighting men leave the military in droves rather than serve a traitor...like Kerry

The dems will have to draft in order to have an Army...unless they use an economic draft..

An economy so bad the military will be the only place to find work...

imo


29 posted on 09/29/2004 1:14:51 PM PDT by joesnuffy (If you can read this tagline...thank the "Big Blogger")
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To: leoncaruthers

'doh, I can't do math, make that 140 years ago.


30 posted on 09/29/2004 1:15:21 PM PDT by leoncaruthers
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To: motzman

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And who is the GOVERNMENT!!!!!


31 posted on 09/29/2004 1:16:22 PM PDT by finallyatexan
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To: finallyatexan
Perhaps I don't understand, but who pays for these kids tuition?

I have a girl in college, and we are paying ($20K+) for most of her tuition, dorm and books. She got a few scholarships that she had to work very hard for, but that is nothing compared to the total cost.

32 posted on 09/29/2004 1:16:56 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (skerry's plan for oil independence - turn heinz tomatoes into oil????)
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To: hipaatwo

Either it is a draft (military service) or his union supporters will be real happy (not) about having their jobs taken by those doing their national service (civilian service). What will having so many young people working for their tuition do to the national economy?


33 posted on 09/29/2004 1:17:14 PM PDT by mak5
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To: libstripper

Yah, the difference between his and both the Clinton's lingo is that Kerry doesn't use so much of the directly marxist vocabulary.


34 posted on 09/29/2004 1:18:02 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)
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To: hipaatwo

Who was the Chinese dictator who forced young Chinese out into the fields? It reduced a generation to menial labor because most never finished their education. I wonder if this is where Kerry got this stupid idea?


35 posted on 09/29/2004 1:19:11 PM PDT by FireTrack
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To: Archangelsk

Hold On! This "idea" has already been done: by NEA and Dems. In 90s, across this great fruited land, some highschools were demanding "mandatory" volunteerism, in order for students to get their HS diplomas. Small catch: You could only volunteer at places NEA thought were "worthwhile": Planned Parenthood, Animal Shelters, etc. Nope, you could not do volunteer work for your church, boys scouts, etc. I wanna see John Kerry's "list". Like... intern for Kofi Annan?


36 posted on 09/29/2004 1:20:50 PM PDT by Alia
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To: hipaatwo

What do I get for 4 months?


37 posted on 09/29/2004 1:20:53 PM PDT by BunnySlippers ("F" Stands for FLIP-FLOP ...)
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To: Archangelsk

Hold On! This "idea" has already been done: by NEA and Dems. In 90s, across this great fruited land, some highschools were demanding "mandatory" volunteerism, in order for students to get their HS diplomas. Small catch: You could only volunteer at places NEA thought were "worthwhile": Planned Parenthood, Animal Shelters, etc. Nope, you could not do volunteer work for your church, boys scouts, etc. I wanna see John Kerry's "list". Like... intern for Kofi Annan?


38 posted on 09/29/2004 1:21:15 PM PDT by Alia
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To: Arrowhead1952

Right so just to get this straight, if my kids don't want to serve in Kerrys DRAFT then I have to pay for their education plus everyone elses education!!! I don't think this won't be Constitutionally legal But, What say you !!


39 posted on 09/29/2004 1:21:26 PM PDT by finallyatexan
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To: leoncaruthers

We -still- have slavery in America.
It's just that now a segment of the population picks Democrats instead of cotton.
The difference is that now the slaves joyfully serve their masters and they're actually *grateful* for the shackles.
This "program" shows exactly how the Dems manage to psychologically manipulate the masses into slipping on the chains...with a smile.


40 posted on 09/29/2004 1:21:57 PM PDT by Salamander (Pirates of the Appalachians)
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To: hipaatwo

Kerry is a sick puppy. Does he think my taxes are going to pay for some teenager to tutor six kids in reading, then get a free college education?


41 posted on 09/29/2004 1:22:45 PM PDT by Ciexyz (At his first crisis, "President" Kerry will sail his Swiftboat to safety, then call Teddy.)
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To: BunnySlippers

LOL!


42 posted on 09/29/2004 1:23:47 PM PDT by kidd
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To: FireTrack
Who was the Chinese dictator who forced young Chinese out into the fields?

I don't remember but both Pol Pot and Castro forced people into the fields as well.

43 posted on 09/29/2004 1:23:54 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: hipaatwo
Kerry wants MANDATORY national service for college tuition!!!

well, that's kind of a dumb thing to say

44 posted on 09/29/2004 1:25:13 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Bender : This is the worst kind of discrimination. The kind against me.)
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To: finallyatexan
My first reply about skerry being against a draft before being for a draft was sarcasm, due to his flip-flops. Most parents or families pay for the education for children. There are no free rides, especially at major universities.

I do know two kids who did get 100% tuition paid, but they worked their rear ends off to get that. They were #1 & #2 in their class at high school.

45 posted on 09/29/2004 1:26:51 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (skerry's plan for oil independence - turn heinz tomatoes into oil????)
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To: hipaatwo

I think your title is misleading because the quote is not written well.

The way I read it is: John Kerry will propose a comprehensive service plan that includes requiring mandatory service for high school students, and [the plan includes] four years of college tuition in exchange for two years of national service.

So the national service is not mandatory. That's how I read it but I could be wrong.


46 posted on 09/29/2004 1:27:24 PM PDT by ironman
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To: hipaatwo

There's that pesky little 13th amendment issue, but what the hey, they don't pay attention to any other part of the Constitution.


47 posted on 09/29/2004 1:27:24 PM PDT by djf
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To: hipaatwo

Did you dig this up? If so, great job!


48 posted on 09/29/2004 1:27:55 PM PDT by B Knotts ("John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our national security.")
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To: meyer
>>How about they just get a job and pay their own tuition.

Ixnay, Citizen meyer. The "individual" (ick!) is not the best judge of what job s/he should have, how long s/he should work, or even what for. Big Nanny should decide these things. /s

49 posted on 09/29/2004 1:29:59 PM PDT by Graymatter (Reload Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: hipaatwo

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day! I've been saying this for 40 years.

Serve first, then benefit from your service.


50 posted on 09/29/2004 1:30:23 PM PDT by JimRed (Kerry for President... of FRANCE!)
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