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Religion scholars tout gay theology
WORLD Magazine Blog ^ | 9/29/04 | Anthony

Posted on 09/29/2004 4:07:43 PM PDT by dukeman

The American Academy of Religion is holding its annual meeting in San Antonio November 20-23, 2004. Here are a few titles from the "Gay Men's Issues in Religion Group" whose theme this year is "Power and Submission, Pain and Pleasure: The Religious Dynamics of Sadomasochism":

(1)"Ecstatic Communion: The Spiritual Dimensions of Leathersexuality"

(2)"S/M Rituals in Gay Men's Leather Communities: Initiation, Power Exchange, and Subversion"

(3)“You Seduced Me, You Overpowered Me, and You Prevailed”: Religious Experience and Homoerotic Sadomasochism in Jeremiah

(4)"Choice, Shame, and Power in the Construction of Sadomasochistic Theologies"

(5)"Oh, Daddy! God, Dominance/Submission, and Christian Sacramentality and Spirituality"

(6)"Rend(er)ing God's Flesh: The Body of Christ, Spectacles of Pain, and Trajectories of Desire"

Organized in 1909 for professors and scholars of Biblical Studies, the AAR now has over 8,000 members who teach in some 1,500 colleges, universities, seminaries, and schools in North America and abroad.


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KEYWORDS: fauxreligionscholars; homosexualagenda; religiousleft
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Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be apostate religion professors.
1 posted on 09/29/2004 4:07:43 PM PDT by dukeman
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To: TexasGreg

This form of theology is called depravity.


2 posted on 09/29/2004 4:15:10 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: dukeman
I am stunned at how people can hold such inane ideas.

If I went to a university for a geology degree and came out thinking the earth was flat, either the school would be shut down or I would be deemed a mental defective. Maybe both would happen.

How can these people read the Bible and come away with these beliefs?

3 posted on 09/29/2004 4:15:16 PM PDT by FatLoser
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To: dukeman

I think I saw that reviewed on "Men on film"


4 posted on 09/29/2004 4:15:30 PM PDT by NavVet (“Benedeict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: dukeman
"Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be apostate religion professors."

LOL " . . . they're dressed all in leather, they're boofers forever, it just don't seem Christian to me."
5 posted on 09/29/2004 4:16:00 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: dukeman
Homosexual behavior is incompatible with Christianity:

Rom 1:26-27

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. NIV

What part of this very clear passage do these "religion professors" not understand?
6 posted on 09/29/2004 4:20:09 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: dukeman

"Religion scholars tout gay theology"

The religion scholars are fags.

Yep, I called them fags. Queers or homos if you'd prefer. Why? Because if being a d*** smoking fag is a holy thing then these religion scholars should be celebrating when I call them fags.

Sorry boys, I ain't buying your line of scat.

God didn't bitch slap the queers in Sodom and Gomorrah and tell them to 'stop that!'.

God nuked them off the face of the earth for their depravity.

Anyone who thinks this crap (homosexuality) is not just 'normal', but 'holy' needs to go to San Francisco and walk the five blocks south from Market on Castro and then back the other side of the street.

On any given day you may see as I have:

Men with their naked butts showing from their leather pants.

Men performing fellatio on each other on the street in full view of SFPD motorcycle officers. (This I actually have on video tape).

Naked men in nightclub doorways - visible from the street.

Rarely, you'll see women (dykes, they call themselves) performing similar acts of depravity.

And this ain't all.

Don't tell me this is normal and God help you for telling me it's 'holy'.

Dukeman, thanks for posting this.


7 posted on 09/29/2004 4:20:39 PM PDT by PeterFinn ("John Kerry is a flip-flopper and a phony" - Howell Raines quoted in the Wash. Post)
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To: dukeman
Big time YUCK. This is so off the wall it has got to be a satire. Not funny!!!!!
8 posted on 09/29/2004 4:22:36 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (I volunteer to instruct JFK on the meaning of a purple heart!!)
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To: Lucky Dog

Liberal professors say those passages are Paul's opinion, not the word of God. They say pretty much the same about Jewish law - it's human opinion, not God's word. That's how they dismiss anything they don't agree with.


9 posted on 09/29/2004 4:25:03 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Lucky Dog

Liberal professors say those passages are Paul's opinion, not the word of God. They say pretty much the same about Jewish law - it's human opinion, not God's word. That's how they dismiss anything they don't agree with.


10 posted on 09/29/2004 4:25:43 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: crazyhorse691

Sadly, I think these are real seminar titles.


11 posted on 09/29/2004 4:27:54 PM PDT by dukeman
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To: dukeman

I sadly think they are real too. But please allow me some delusions. Hiding your head in the sand may not be the best defense, but, Ostriches are still around.


12 posted on 09/29/2004 4:36:14 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (I volunteer to instruct JFK on the meaning of a purple heart!!)
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To: Steve_Seattle
Liberal professors say those passages are Paul's opinion, not the word of God. They say pretty much the same about Jewish law - it's human opinion, not God's word. That's how they dismiss anything they don't agree with

Obviously, these "religion professors" choose ignore other parts of scripture as well:

Matt 5:18

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. KJV
13 posted on 09/29/2004 4:40:27 PM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: PeterFinn

Wow, you're pretty hateful.


14 posted on 09/29/2004 5:08:15 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: dukeman

check out this book on how this can happen:
http://www.goodbyegoodmen.com/


15 posted on 09/29/2004 5:09:13 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece)
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To: crazyhorse691; dukeman

I checked the link. Sadly, these are real topics.
"Hell in a hand-basket" keeps coming into my mind.


16 posted on 09/29/2004 5:28:25 PM PDT by edelweiss
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To: FatLoser

They don't come away, or for that matter, go in with any beliefs. It is a sad fact that theology or religion, as taught at American Universities, are the only areas of study which require disbelief in the material.

Religion is only viewed as a method of philosophy.

I can't count the number of times I've heard a PHD in theology explaining the meaning of the Bible, only to think to myself, "Unless of course you believe in God."


17 posted on 09/29/2004 5:39:49 PM PDT by SampleMan ("Yes I am drunk, very drunk. But you madam are ugly, and tomorrow morning I shall be sober." WSC)
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To: PeterFinn
God condemned the Sodoites for their perversions and also for their violence. These people were completely out of control and obeyed every perverse impulse. They were mentally twisted and spiritually blind. Sodom was literally an orgy of violence.

I noticed that the "gay theology" meeting mentioned in the article promotes perverts acting out in all sorts of violent sadomasochistic ways. Reading this article I realized for the first time the extent that "gay" events also have strong violent undertones. It is as if some people are so addicted to sensations (even bad, painful sensations) that they go from one extreme to the next. I wonder how much of the violence in society is directly or indirectly tied to the increased acceptance of perversion?

18 posted on 09/29/2004 5:40:52 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: Steve_Seattle

They try to reduce the word of God to what Jesus explicitly said, as if Jesus wasn't constantly quoting scripture, identifying himself with the prophets, and fulfilling the prophecies of Isaiah.


19 posted on 09/29/2004 6:05:23 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: Wilhelm Tell

There is a coarsening of society as mankind invents new ways to be perverse. The first few chapters of Romans discusses this.


20 posted on 09/29/2004 6:21:03 PM PDT by dukeman
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To: dukeman

Sodom and Gommorah had nothing on these guys.


21 posted on 09/29/2004 6:22:32 PM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: scripter; little jeremiah

FYI


22 posted on 09/30/2004 2:26:07 AM PDT by Susannah (What's less united than the USA during war? > the UN !)
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To: lady lawyer

bump


23 posted on 09/30/2004 6:51:49 AM PDT by dukeman
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To: EdReform; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping - Just when I think I'm callous, hardened, and can't get shocked any more, along comes something like this article.

Beyond disgusting, beyond depraved, beyond offensive.

I don't know what to say. Bring back censorship? Bring back the stocks? Huge natural disasters? Any ideas? I'm always hoping for large numbers of people to become believers in God and His laws, but I almost consider that there needs to be some kind of kick from behind as well.

Let me and Scripter know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


24 posted on 09/30/2004 7:53:08 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Islamo-Jihadis and Homosexual-Jihadis both want to destroy civilization.)
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To: EdReform; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping - Just when I think I'm callous, hardened, and can't get shocked any more, along comes something like this article.

Beyond disgusting, beyond depraved, beyond offensive.

I don't know what to say. Bring back censorship? Bring back the stocks? Huge natural disasters? Any ideas? I'm always hoping for large numbers of people to become believers in God and His laws, but I almost consider that there needs to be some kind of kick from behind as well.

Let me and Scripter know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


25 posted on 09/30/2004 7:53:16 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Islamo-Jihadis and Homosexual-Jihadis both want to destroy civilization.)
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To: dukeman

This is outrageous. Blasphemy at it's appalling and disgusting finest!!!!!!!


26 posted on 09/30/2004 7:56:39 AM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH
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To: Conservative til I die; PeterFinn

He's not hateful. He's intelligent. The sights he's mentioned are there for anyone to see. I lived in SF myself a number of years ago. You'll also see the hollow, gaunt, hacking, greyish men walking with canes, and a week later you won't see them any more.

They're still giving each other AIDS, btw.

Homosexuality is a mental, emotional and spiritual disease, and when acted upon and promoted, a vicious crime against nature.


27 posted on 09/30/2004 7:57:58 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Islamo-Jihadis and Homosexual-Jihadis both want to destroy civilization.)
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To: little jeremiah

It really makes you wonder just how long God is going to wait, doesn't it?


28 posted on 09/30/2004 8:02:03 AM PDT by dukeman
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To: Wilhelm Tell

Mrs little jeremiah and myself have studied various eastern topics such as Chi Gung, Tai Chi, Kung Fu, and Ayurveda. These all teach that not only same sex acts but anal sex, oral sex and masturbation promote mental and emotional sickness as well as physical ailments. Ayurveda and some Taoism teaches that same sex acts are said to cause anger, aggression, violence, and even psychosis. So no wonder these sick freaks are attracted to violence as a turn on.


29 posted on 09/30/2004 8:02:08 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Islamo-Jihadis and Homosexual-Jihadis both want to destroy civilization.)
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To: dukeman

This definitely falls under the category of "needs divine intervention".


30 posted on 09/30/2004 8:03:08 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Islamo-Jihadis and Homosexual-Jihadis both want to destroy civilization.)
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To: GarySpFc

It's called Hedonism. It's been around a very long time. For some reason we only call it Hedonism in ethics and morality classes.

Maybe journalists don't have to take ethics and morality classes?


31 posted on 09/30/2004 8:05:09 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: dukeman

"It really makes you wonder just how long God is going to wait, doesn't it?"

We haven't seen anything yet, we still have the "reenactment" of the days of Noe (Noah) ahead. Remember "time" is shortened, but not the events of the end times.


32 posted on 09/30/2004 8:06:33 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: PeterFinn

First of all I want to know why you were filming this sex act. Secondly, there are a lot of homosexual males that are every bit as normal as you and I are, with many of them being conservatives and proud members of the Republican Party. I can assure you they are not performing sex acts in the middle of the street and would probably be just as disgusted as you and I if they saw such a thing occuring.


33 posted on 09/30/2004 8:24:58 AM PDT by LSUsoph
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To: PeterFinn

Excellent summary of the reality of the homosexuals in America and in our former religions.


34 posted on 09/30/2004 8:31:32 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop Rathering to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)
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To: LSUsoph
there are a lot of homosexual males that are every bit as normal as you and I are, with many of them being conservatives and proud members of the Republican Party

Hehehe...let me try.

there are a lot of homosexual incestual males that are every bit as normal as you and I are, with many of them being conservatives and proud members of the Republican Party

there are a lot of homosexual bestial males that are every bit as normal as you and I are, with many of them being conservatives and proud members of the Republican Party

there are a lot of homosexual transvestic males that are every bit as normal as you and I are, with many of them being conservatives and proud members of the Republican Party

there are a lot of homosexual urophilic males that are every bit as normal as you and I are, with many of them being conservatives and proud members of the Republican Party

there are a lot of homosexual corprophilic males that are every bit as normal as you and I are, with many of them being conservatives and proud members of the Republican Party

35 posted on 09/30/2004 8:59:59 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Just mythoughts

Yep, it's going to get really, really bad (beyond our imaginations, actually).


36 posted on 09/30/2004 9:18:19 AM PDT by dukeman
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To: Wilhelm Tell

You bring up violent undertones so I will say that The Enemy hates God and hates what is good and wants to destroy God's creation. The enemy wants to destroy the people by destroying their bodies physically, mentally, emotionally, it is a victory to him when he can see the people God created be physically destroyed, he is so jealous of God and envious and wants to destroy His creation, wants to mock it any way he can and make it look ugly.


37 posted on 09/30/2004 9:26:02 AM PDT by Esther Ruth (And because they served the creation instead of the Creator - God gave them over ......)
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To: LSUsoph
Curious here ... do you have any opinions about the book The Pink Swastika?.

I mean, you clearly feel 'normal' homosexuals are the majority of homosexuals, and that we have nothing to worry about regarding who they are and how they behave.

But, given the revelations regarding the role of homosexuality (specifically, butch homosexuality, not femme homosexuality) that fueled the power of the Nazi Party, I think it's wise that folks be made aware that the sexual habits of men can affect the lives of others around them.

There are lots of German families who to their sorrow can testify to this reality to this day ... not to mention other ethnic groups.

38 posted on 09/30/2004 9:54:51 AM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
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To: gobucks

it was hate, not homosexuality, that fueled the Nazi Party. To say otherwise is just plain ig'nant.


39 posted on 09/30/2004 10:03:42 AM PDT by LSUsoph
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
It's called Hedonism. It's been around a very long time. For some reason we only call it Hedonism in ethics and morality classes.

Maybe journalists don't have to take ethics and morality classes?


I am not in an ethics and morality class, but this theologian is using the same term God does in Scripture, and He calls it depravity. While they were enjoying themselves, the men of the town, a depraved lot, had gathered about the house and were pounding on the door. They called to the aged owner of the house, “Bring out the man who has come into your house, so that we can be intimate with him. Judges 19:22-23 Tanakh: The Holy Scriptures
40 posted on 09/30/2004 10:31:00 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: GarySpFc

I was unaware English was in use at the time of the Judges, but I don't disagree with your meaning.


41 posted on 09/30/2004 10:59:15 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: LSUsoph
it was hate, not homosexuality, that fueled the Nazi Party. To say otherwise is just plain ig'nant.

Ok, we agree. Hate fueled the Nazi Party. Where did the hate come from? Beer? I'm sorry to see that you are unwilling to address the book the Pink Swastika. But maybe, your deliberate willingness to ignore it CONFIRMS my own suspicions regarding the motivations of a committed homosexual. If that's the way you prefer it, so be it.

42 posted on 09/30/2004 11:14:45 AM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/laocoon.htm)
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To: LSUsoph

"First of all I want to know why you were filming this sex act."

I was videotaping Castro Street - a public street in San Francisco. A SFPD motor cop was maybe fifty feet away and he didn't care - got that on tape, too.

If you'd like a copy of the tape I'd be happy to send it to you for the cost of the cassette and postage.


43 posted on 09/30/2004 11:28:38 AM PDT by PeterFinn ("John Kerry is a flip-flopper and a phony" - Howell Raines quoted in the Wash. Post)
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To: Conservative til I die

"Wow, you're pretty hateful."

Call 'em like I see 'em.


44 posted on 09/30/2004 11:29:44 AM PDT by PeterFinn ("John Kerry is a flip-flopper and a phony" - Howell Raines quoted in the Wash. Post)
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To: little jeremiah

"He's not hateful...."

Thank you. Good for them to hear it from another eyewitness. It seems no one ever believes just how bad it is until they see it themselves. And then it's like telling people you saw a UFO: they refuse to believe it unless they see it, and then some will still refuse to believe what they see.


45 posted on 09/30/2004 11:47:03 AM PDT by PeterFinn ("John Kerry is a flip-flopper and a phony" - Howell Raines quoted in the Wash. Post)
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To: PeterFinn
From a friend of mine in Frisco....... DYKE HATEMONGERS

When discussing the intrinsically aberrant, degrading and objectively disordered hatreds and perversions that inform and motivate the agenda of the Radical Homosex lobby, it is always important to keep in mind that this lobby has Two Distinct (and many minor) constituencies - broadly divided (not counting the 'trans-gen-weird') between male and female.

Usually, critics of pandering to such hatreds and perversions focus on the aberrant nature of Homo-Anal perversions engaged in by males, as this provides the most graphic illustration of the debased nature of the homosex agenda. However, while Homo-Anal behaviors like felching, rimming, fisting, buggery are indeed repulsive, it is the rank raw hatred of Dykes that poses the greater long term harm to society.

Soooo… First, a word about terms. As one who finds it offensive to be told I must refer to those who act out their hatreds of men and masculinity by mimicking heterosexual foreplay with women - by using the term 'lesbian' to describe them, I think a little truth is in order.

For starters, the term Lesbian properly refers to residents of the Greek island of Lesbos, and has been adopted as a label for Dykes because it means so little elsewhere.

However - Every Year in Sodom by the Sea (san francisco) the streets fill with self avowed "DYKES" - who march in the annual Hate Parade known as the "DYKE MARCH". They even carry banners and signs proclaiming themselves to be Dykes, along with the usual Death slogans aimed at men they like to display.

This electrically venomous Hate Parade actually showcases the agenda of the Dyke element of the Radical Homosex lobby better than any other forum. It starts with a takeover of a City Public Park, and the setting up of a perimeter where males are off limits and treated like black citizens intruding on a Klan Rally. Here is an excerpt from the official website for the 2002 Dyke March describing the event (emphasis added)

.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"

…the defiant, vibrant Dyke March spontaneously sprang up in San Francisco and New York. Each year the lesbian community comes out on the day before the LGBT pride parade, which, though inclusive, is still gay male identified. This grass-roots activist event has NEITHER A PERMIT NOR THE CITY'S BLESSING, BUT NOBODY'S WORRIED.

The parade draws womyn by the tens of thousands, and THERE'S NOTHING THE CITY CAN DO. Unlike Sundays official pride parade, the march has no corporate sponsors, no leadership hierarchy and NO GUYS, save for the few supportive fellows cheering from the sidelines.

In contrast to many now-corporate gay parties, the MARCH IS A RETURN TO RAW, IN-YOUR-FACE ACTIVISM. The rolling green hills of Dolores park are filled with musicians, activists, rants, poetic slams - and cruising, cruising, cruising.

…Wimmin born Wimmin (a Dyke exclusionary term) and their supporters all have their day in the sun, with drumming circles, chants and a festive array of banners, slogans and signs (like "Death to the Patriarchy").
As the evening draws closer, the CROWD OF WOMYN TAKES OVER THE MISSION QUADRANT, WITH DYKES ON BIKES LEADING THE CHARGE…
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I have had the 'privilege' of being in the Mission District during one of these Marches, and I must say that for electrically venomous, rank, raw, screaming, chanting, swearing, death demanding street hissy fit Tantrum Theater - I have never seen its like. Quite a visceral feeling it is too. One moment you are going about your business in your home town, and the next the sky is filled with the roar of what seems like an entire hells angels convention come to town.

Then the Dykes on Bikes appear at the head of the mob. These are some of the most butch hatemongers of the bunch (a matter of degree only), and they delight in 'Bulling' their way through the streets using motorcycles as a weapon. As for obeying traffic laws, like respecting cross walks with pedestrians in them - Hah, only a patriarchal boob would think that the law applies to Dykes on a tear.

Next along comes the main crowd of Dykes ("Dyke March" Banner at the front) literally filling the street with their hatred, screamed at the top of their lungs, and directed towards the world in general and any penis monsters along the way in particular.

Such a 'Tolerant' feeling one gets in old Sodom by the Sea during such events, because the city sure tolerates behaviors from this bunch of hatemongers that it would never put up with from others.

Imagine - if the KKK took over a city park and turned it in to a hate camp, and then 'white knights on bikes' roared through the streets clearing them for a mob to abuse anyone on the street who fit the profile for the hate list of the Klan…

How far do you think that parade would get? Well, don't worry. They would never allow the klan to do that in my home town. After all - why surrender the streets to amateur hatemongers, when Dykes have shown themselves thoroughly professional in their approach to preaching and practicing hatred against men already

46 posted on 09/30/2004 11:47:15 AM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (G W B 2004! Friends Don't Let Friends Vote For DemocRATS)
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To: LSUsoph

"Secondly, there are a lot of homosexual males that are every bit as normal as you and I are"

Maybe they fellate other men, roll in their excrement, engage in sodomy, sadism, and masochism as 'normally' as you do.

I do not consider those practices to be 'normal'.


47 posted on 09/30/2004 11:58:19 AM PDT by PeterFinn ("John Kerry is a flip-flopper and a phony" - Howell Raines quoted in the Wash. Post)
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To: PeterFinn

Little jeremiah's other half inadvertently ran into a couple of "Gay Pride" parades and the sight burned an indelible mark of horror. Stuff like "men" dressed up in bits of leather, chains, and spikes, hold LITTLE BOYS on leashes and dog collars behind them, or sitting on their shoulders. And on and on.

What's amazing to me is that is that so many who are NOT homosexuals are drinking the Koolaid.


48 posted on 09/30/2004 12:02:58 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Islamo-Jihadis and Homosexual-Jihadis both want to destroy civilization.)
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To: dukeman
"Organized in 1909 for professors and scholars of Biblical Studies, the AAR now has over 8,000 members who teach in some 1,500 colleges, universities, seminaries, and schools in North America and abroad."

It's not the only organization or the largest organization of its kind. Other, larger organizations have much more subtle, developed and insidious propagation programs, usually starting with feminist issues. And those students go out to all churches and religions except for the most Orthodox of synagogues.

Read your scriptures, and read some more. When you find discrepancies between the mysticism and spiritualism you've been taught, and your scriptures, don't be afraid. Seek, and keep reading.

Yes, the churches and their interpretations have been changing for a long time--changing very much now for about 150 years in the USA. The enemy makes them weak from the inside.
49 posted on 09/30/2004 12:24:29 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
I was unaware English was in use at the time of the Judges, but I don't disagree with your meaning.

I could have used any of the best Hebrew lexicons, such as HAL, but decided to use the Tanakah instead. That you agree homosexuality is depravity is sufficient.
50 posted on 09/30/2004 1:00:18 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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