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'I can't...I'm Mormon' T-shirts too hot
WorldNetDaily ^ | 9/29/04

Posted on 09/30/2004 10:49:18 AM PDT by Colofornian

T-shirts proclaiming the message "I cant ... I'm Mormon" are apparently too hot for Brigham Young University, as the college newspaper has yanked all advertisements.

According to the Deseret Morning News, the paper halted the ad campaign after complaints from students, professors and administrators who felt the slogan implied a desire to engage in "objectionable" behavior.

Many thought wearers of the clothing wished they could drink, smoke or have casual sex – but were prevented solely because of their membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

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One letter to the editor stated: "I can't, I'm Mormon, but if I wasn't, you know I'd be there 'cause it sounds sweet!"

Some reportedly believed the woman modeling the T-shirt in the ad posed in an overly provocative manner.

The objections are surprising to the designer of the shirt, Utah Valley State College student Chad Ramos.

Having grown up in Las Vegas, Ramos says the slogan came in handy whenever he was asked to drink or smoke.

"I found if I told people I didn't drink, they didn't know how to react," he told the News, "but if I said, I can't, I'm Mormon, they said, 'Oh,' and boom, it was over."

Thus, he was shocked by the BYU backlash.

"I didn't identify with it. I couldn't even relate," he said. "Anybody who's lived outside Utah has said this a hundred times."

Cartoon in BYU's college newspaper pokes fun at "offended" students (artist David Lesue/The Daily Universe )

Jim Kelly, general manager of the Newsnet Advisory Board which runs the student newspaper, says he, not the administration of the university, made the decision to remove the commercial.

"We don't frequently pull ads, but in terms of declining to run ads, probably two weeks don't go by that we don't decline ads for the Daily Universe," he told the News. "It is universal among newspapers to exercise the right to refuse ads considered objectionable. We're pleased we have high standards, and we're never apologetic about it."


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KEYWORDS: ads; byu; censored; ldschurch; slogan; tshirt; tshirts; yanked
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'I can't...I'm Mormon'

If the ads are censored, is that an indicator that the shirts should be censored, too? If offered such a t-shirt for free, is the proper response, "I can't...I'm Mormon."

1 posted on 09/30/2004 10:49:20 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
I think the folks at BYU are being overly-sensitive.

I doubt they'd have any objections if the shirts said, "I won't...I'm Mormon."

2 posted on 09/30/2004 10:55:23 AM PDT by Prime Choice (It is dangerous to be right when wicked is called 'good.')
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To: Colofornian

Didn't stop Mark Hacking.


3 posted on 09/30/2004 10:55:25 AM PDT by newheart (The Truth? You can't handle the Truth. But He can handle you.)
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To: Colofornian
Maybe they can expand the range to include all the faiths. Considering the moral and behavioral restrictions that nearly if not all religions require of believers "I can't, I'm Catholic" (abort a fetus), "I can't, I'm Jewish" (eat a pork chop), or "I can't, I'm Baptist" (go out dancing - chuckle) just about everybody can have a shirt of their own.
4 posted on 09/30/2004 10:55:32 AM PDT by katana (Iraq: Bug Zapper of the Middle East)
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To: Colofornian

or you just point to the tattoo that reads "I can't, I'm Mormon." That is, if you can...


5 posted on 09/30/2004 10:57:25 AM PDT by EaglesUpForever
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To: katana

I Can't...I'm John Kerry or is that "I Can" "no, no I can't"


6 posted on 09/30/2004 10:57:31 AM PDT by sierrahome
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To: sierrahome
How's about this one for when a Dem campaign worker comes to your door:

"I can't, I'm an American"

7 posted on 09/30/2004 11:03:03 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Barack Obama is the worst Senate candidate in U.S. history.)
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To: Colofornian

The newspaper is well within it's rights to refuse to run the ad (which can still be run in many other publications). If the shirt said "I won't" or "I don't" instead of "I can't" I doubt there would be any fuss about it.

BYU is a private University funded by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Students are required to sign onto a code of behavior that includes a dress code. If University officals deem the shirt in violation of the dress code, students will not be allowed to wear it, but I don't know the dress code well enough to say if the shirt would be considered in violation.


8 posted on 09/30/2004 11:07:13 AM PDT by Grig
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To: katana

or "I've already done it - I'm a liberal"


9 posted on 09/30/2004 11:07:28 AM PDT by Andiceman
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To: EternalVigilance

I like that one.


10 posted on 09/30/2004 11:07:28 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Colofornian

Mormons don't mess around.


11 posted on 09/30/2004 11:10:48 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Save Terri Schiavo!!!)
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To: Prime Choice
I doubt they'd have any objections if the shirts said, "I won't...I'm Mormon

Much better. Too bad they shirt designer didn't think of that.

12 posted on 09/30/2004 11:11:10 AM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Prime Choice

There are two ways to take it, either as "I am so committed to my faith that I will not lower my standards." or as "I would love to lower my standards but my religion has more control over my life than I do."


13 posted on 09/30/2004 11:13:17 AM PDT by Grig
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To: Colofornian
"I didn't identify with it. I couldn't even relate," he said. "Anybody who's lived outside Utah has said this a hundred times."

I'm not Mormon but I have heard this stated from other Mormons not from Utah. A couple who have gone to Utah for school have found the folks there a lot different from the ones they go to church with, say in Texas.

14 posted on 09/30/2004 11:19:02 AM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: Colofornian

I think BYU is being a little over sensitive here but they can do what they want.

I totally understood the designer's point. About half of my family is LDS and none of them live in Utah. They do spend a lot of time saying this very thing. Non-Utah LDS have to be a lot more vocal and proactive when it comes to saying no. In Utah, a lot of things are just taken for granted.


15 posted on 09/30/2004 11:19:06 AM PDT by Gingersnap
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To: Grig
There are two ways to take it, either as "I am so committed to my faith that I will not lower my standards." or as "I would love to lower my standards but my religion has more control over my life than I do."

True...and I think the latter, derogatory connotation is more inferred than implied. There is no sure-fire defense against the perceptions of the perverted.

I noted from the article that the "I can't...I'm Mormon" slogan started because the creator was tired of explaining why he wouldn't drink alcohol. My answer to such situations was very simple, "None for me, thanks. I've had enough."

16 posted on 09/30/2004 11:19:14 AM PDT by Prime Choice (It is dangerous to be right when wicked is called 'good.')
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To: Colofornian

Next shirt: "We can't take it... we're Mormon administrators!"


17 posted on 09/30/2004 11:20:34 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Colofornian

Mitt Romney needs a shirt like that to wear everytime the Democrat-controlled legislature brings a bill to his desk! lol


18 posted on 09/30/2004 11:20:39 AM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Prime Choice
None for me, thanks. I've had enough

Are you aware this implies you have already been drinking?

19 posted on 09/30/2004 11:21:31 AM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: Colofornian
Many thought wearers of the clothing wished they could drink, smoke or have casual sex – but were prevented solely because of their membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Far more do than one might think.

20 posted on 09/30/2004 11:22:07 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Grig
How about:

"I can't....I'm an aethist"

"I can't...I'm too liberal"

"I can't...I voted for Gore"

"I can't...the AFL-CIO hasn't told me how yet"

"I can't...My guru says it ruins my karma"

"I can't...my chakras aren't balanced"

"I can't...It makes me look like a liberal."

"I can't...under the protect of the Fifth Amendment"

"I can't...its not a legally controlling authority."

"I can't....Hillary won't let me"

21 posted on 09/30/2004 11:23:45 AM PDT by bpjam (I don't know what a neo-con is and neither does anybody else.)
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To: TXBubba
Are you aware this implies you have already been drinking?

It implies no such thing. One may infer as much, but that's their gig.

As it goes, I have had enough. I've seen enough lives wrecked by alcoholism and addiction...but I don't go preachy on that count unless someone makes a deal about my not drinking.

22 posted on 09/30/2004 11:27:14 AM PDT by Prime Choice (It is dangerous to be right when wicked is called 'good.')
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To: bpjam
"I can't...It makes me look like a liberal."

Or the famous John Kerry answer:

"I can't...but I could!"

23 posted on 09/30/2004 11:28:17 AM PDT by Prime Choice (It is dangerous to be right when wicked is called 'good.')
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To: Colofornian

I attended BYU for four years and worked at the school paper. Students there are just too sensitive for their own good. When I was at BYU, an ad in the school paper for a one piece swimming suit caused some to write to the paper to complain about the immodesty of the ad. I live in Nevada too, and agree with the shirt's designer...I use that phrase all the time, not because I want to drink, etc., but because it is a simple way to explain why I won't drink, etc. Everyone understands. Perhaps the offended students at BYU should spend their energies on some real problems. Some BYU students need a little Prozac.


24 posted on 09/30/2004 11:28:34 AM PDT by Galena Nevada
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To: Prime Choice

Well if one MIGHT infer from that comment then it is one that could imply it.


25 posted on 09/30/2004 11:29:49 AM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: TXBubba
Well if one MIGHT infer from that comment then it is one that could imply it.

If I could understand what you just wrote here, I might agree with it.

26 posted on 09/30/2004 11:31:05 AM PDT by Prime Choice (It is dangerous to be right when wicked is called 'good.')
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To: Colofornian

Silly politics. The shirts are fine.

I know, I'm female.


27 posted on 09/30/2004 11:31:47 AM PDT by Hi Heels (Proud to be a Pajamarazzi.)
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To: Prime Choice

It doesn't make sense. They mean "I won't". Of course they can.


28 posted on 09/30/2004 11:34:47 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Prime Choice

Speaking of not understanding, can someone explain that "bunny with a pancake on it's head" thing?


29 posted on 09/30/2004 11:40:56 AM PDT by TwoWolves (The only kind of control the liberals don't want is self control.)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

Ping


30 posted on 09/30/2004 11:43:53 AM PDT by Galena Nevada
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To: Colofornian
I can't...I'm Mormon

How about?

"I can't take a second wife...or third...or fourth... I'm Mormon."

Or, for the Charlotte Prebyterian-USA youth group volunteer just found guilty & sentenced to 5 years for disseminating child porn: "I can't...I'm just a (Pres) bit detained."

Or, for somebody dressed up as John D. Lee as a Halloween spoof: "I can't (massacre settlers)...I'm a Mormon bishop."

31 posted on 09/30/2004 11:50:02 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: bpjam; sierrahome
Here's one for Kerry:

"I'm Catholic, but oh, what the hell..."

32 posted on 09/30/2004 11:50:35 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Proud to live in Utah - a WHOLE state.)
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To: Galena Nevada

If you want a really over-the-top example of being oversensivite, I have a story for you.

When I was at the University of Waterloo (early 90s) there was a HUGE blow up over a poster used to promote some sports related awards show/dinner/whatever. The poster showed two basketball players, a guy and a girl. The guy was standing up with a ball under his arm at his side, the girl was in front of him and to the side a bit, she was crouched down (like at the bottom of a deep knee bend) and a ball was on the floor in front of her. Both of them faced the camera, but the SHADOW of the girl's head fell on the crotch of the guy spaking a feminatzi crusade over it's supposed oral-sex/female servitude message. The University retreated and withdrew the poster if I recall correctly.


33 posted on 09/30/2004 11:52:52 AM PDT by Grig
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To: AppyPappy
I usually keep my religion to myself. Everyone I work with can tell I am Christian by the picture of Jesus in my cube. I don't generally tell people I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormon). I have never said I can't do anything because I'm a Mormon. People who ask me if I want a drink I tell them I'm allergic. That when I drink I break out. You know, windows, doors, and teeth. That usually stops any further offers of alcohol.
The LDS church is very conscious of their image and try to keep a low profile. If an ad just implies the wrong message, it would be pulled.
34 posted on 09/30/2004 11:52:57 AM PDT by solsrchr2 (solsrchr2)
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To: Colofornian

35 posted on 09/30/2004 11:57:33 AM PDT by evets (God bless president George W. Bush)
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To: solsrchr2

A picture of Jesus? Is it a photo?


36 posted on 09/30/2004 11:58:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Colofornian
Some reportedly believed the woman modeling the T-shirt in the ad posed in an overly provocative manner.

May we see?
Please????

37 posted on 09/30/2004 12:03:25 PM PDT by spiffy
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To: T Minus Four

Amen


38 posted on 09/30/2004 12:04:46 PM PDT by sierrahome
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To: solsrchr2
I usually keep my religion to myself. Everyone I work with can tell I am Christian by the picture of Jesus in my cube. I don't generally tell people I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormon).</I.,p. You mean the picture that is a dead give-away that the person is a Mormon?
39 posted on 09/30/2004 12:07:33 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Colofornian
probably two weeks don't go by that we don't decline ads for the Daily Universe," he told the News.

Is this a double negative? Who does their PR?

40 posted on 09/30/2004 12:13:58 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: solsrchr2
I usually keep my religion to myself. Everyone I work with can tell I am Christian by the picture of Jesus in my cube. I don't generally tell people I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormon).

Actually, if that's the picture I think it is, you "out" yourself to anyone knowledgeble enough to identify the picture.

I've surprised more than a few people by asking them if they are LDS and then they ask me how I knew. It's always that picture. And you probably know which one I mean.

I think 90%+ of the LDS homes have at least 1 copy of it and more than a few hang them in their office. But I've never seen that particular picture displayed by anyone who wasn't LDS.

Of course, you may have one of the (many) other pictures of Christ displayed. As far as I know, none of them are so strongly identified with a particular church.

41 posted on 09/30/2004 12:25:35 PM PDT by Elric@Melnibone (We don't need a nanny state; if my kids need a nanny I'll hire one myself.)
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To: TwoWolves
Speaking of not understanding, can someone explain that "bunny with a pancake on it's head" thing?

Yes.

42 posted on 09/30/2004 12:28:19 PM PDT by LexBaird (Tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: TwoWolves
Speaking of not understanding, can someone explain that "bunny with a pancake on it's head" thing?

It's just a visual non-sequitir used as a flippant response to someone else's nonsensical ramblings. It has the added benefit of something cute doing something odd.

43 posted on 09/30/2004 12:41:55 PM PDT by Prime Choice (It is dangerous to be right when wicked is called 'good.')
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To: AppyPappy
It doesn't make sense. They mean "I won't". Of course they can.

Yep. People often confuse "can't" for "won't." Sort of like the way Leftists confuse freedom of speech (which they demand) with freedom of thought (which they abhor).

44 posted on 09/30/2004 12:43:25 PM PDT by Prime Choice (It is dangerous to be right when wicked is called 'good.')
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To: solsrchr2

"/snip The LDS church is very conscious of their image and try to keep a low profile. snip."


That low profile thing might work a bit better if they'd stop sending out missionaries all over the world ; - )


45 posted on 09/30/2004 12:47:48 PM PDT by Jn316
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To: TwoWolves

We "can", but we "won't"! :-)


46 posted on 09/30/2004 12:49:57 PM PDT by T Minus Four (Proud to live in Utah - a WHOLE state.)
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To: Prime Choice

Mormons are the weirdest western religion.


47 posted on 09/30/2004 12:53:09 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
Mormons are the weirdest western religion.

Hey, ya gotta love any religion that rips off old Masonic rituals and calls 'em their own. Me, I love it.

If you want the weirdest western religion, try Unitarian Universalist. Hell, those folks are so unsure of everything that bigots have resorted to burning large Question Marks in their yards.

48 posted on 09/30/2004 12:56:31 PM PDT by Prime Choice (It is dangerous to be right when wicked is called 'good.')
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To: Prime Choice

I suspected as much, but I wasn't sure whether there might be some interesting history behind it. Thanks. :)


49 posted on 09/30/2004 12:56:41 PM PDT by TwoWolves (The only kind of control the liberals don't want is self control.)
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To: TwoWolves
I suspected as much, but I wasn't sure whether there might be some interesting history behind it.

The history is largely unknown on the images. There simply appears to be some guy out there with a very tame bunny who will allow any and all manner of breakfast foods to be placed on its head. I've seen that same bunny in different poses with waffles, pancakes, cinnamon rolls, and croissants. My bunny wouldn't put up with that nonsense for a minute. And lemme tell you, there's nothing meaner in this world than a ticked-off bunny.

50 posted on 09/30/2004 12:59:00 PM PDT by Prime Choice (It is dangerous to be right when wicked is called 'good.')
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