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Bush, Kerry the latest to 'run' for president (But did Kerry really run the Boston Marathon?)
Philly Burbs.com ^ | September 30, 2004 | Wayne Fish

Posted on 10/01/2004 7:18:05 PM PDT by Land_of_Lincoln_John

Not a day goes by when you don't think about running, right?

How many pass this fall when the all-out media blitz doesn't lodge the presidential race in your frontal lobe?

So why then were we a little surprised when the latest issue of Runner's World magazine hit the mailbox with Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards on the cover.

There was an informative Edwards profile/interview inside, but the article which caught my eye was headlined "Capitol Gains: Why Runner-Politicians are Better at Running the Country.''

That's news to me.

It turns out that both presidential candidates, President Bush and Democrat John Kerry, are runners.

Each has run a marathon. Bush had a treadmill installed on Air Force One. Kerry spent $8,000 on a Serotta race bike (triathlon, perhaps?).

But does this sort of avid physical fitness behavior make for better leaders?

According to the article, yes.

The magazine contends that all our national leaders, including the 75 members of Congress who consider themselves runners, benefit from the sport by having better drive and focus than their non-exercising counterparts.

As we know, leading a country can be a stressful job. Most runners have found running to be a great stress manager. After a good, hard, long workout, we're thinking a little more clearly ... or ready to take a nap, whichever comes first.

Carter Eskew, a consultant for the Democrats, claims that the brief break (often midday) running allows from the daily grind can result in better judgment and decision making.

"It allows them to step out of that [stressful environment] and into something more contemplative and reflective,'' Eskew told the magazine.

Isn't that what a lot of us common folk derive from running, too?

With the exception of Ronald Reagan, every president since the mid-'70s has been a runner. George W. ran a 3:44 marathon at Houston a decade ago. Kerry says he completed a Boston in the '70s but forgets his time (Question: Did he forget his qualifying time, too, or didn't he have to qualify?).

Even 2000 Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore finished a marathon once.

But it's Eskew's belief that George W., who was running six times a week during the 2000 campaign, did a better job of holding his weight down while Gore couldn't find time to run and puffed up.

Hanging chads or 20-pound weight gain? You be the judge.

Anyhow, just about any way you cut it, running can be good for a politician's career. Even if Bill Clinton did finish his daily run at McDonald's, it still sent out a positive message.

"The very act [of running] is one of determination,'' Democratic National Committee communications director Jano Cabrera told Runner's World. "That's a quality you look for in a leader. Running says that person is focused on an objective and has discipline, both physically and mentally, to get it done.''


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: bostonmarathon; bush; freeperunners; kerry; kerrylies; runnersworld
The print edition of the November Runners World has this interesting nugget (the online Runners World hasn't posted this article yet).

"Though Kerry recently was spotted buying running shorts, he's usually engaged in other sports--lots of them. This indicates vitality, open-mindedness, versatility, and enough confidence to be photographed in wetsuits and cycling shorts."

(But)" His dabbling shows he can be indecisive, and his custom Serotta bike, which reportedly cost $8,000 doesn't exactly fit his populist pitch. Even some Democrats may wish his biggest running achievement--the Boston Marathon--was backed up by some solid documentation. "

1 posted on 10/01/2004 7:18:05 PM PDT by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

I'd give a lot to see Sen. Kennedy and Rep. Nadler in a 100 yard dash (well dash may be too strong a word).


2 posted on 10/01/2004 7:31:56 PM PDT by hyperpoly8 (Illegitimati Non Carborundum)
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To: hyperpoly8

Kerry's chicken legs and bird chest aren't strong enough to carry the load.If the pressure becomes too much he will fold like an accordian.He looks like he could fall out of his ass if he strains too hard taking a dump.Well maybe his big bowling ball head might get stuck depending on how big his boyfriend is.


3 posted on 10/01/2004 7:45:39 PM PDT by rdcorso (Did I mention I was in Vietnam where I lost my backbone? Spineless John)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

It should be fairly easy to check and see if Kerry actually did run in the Boston Marathon. The results should be available if he finished and he had to register for the race. I don't know if Boston had qualifying times for entry during the 1970s. As a marathoner myself (only 5), I remember my times in all of them. I suspect that Kerry never ran in the Boston Marathon, or at least didn't complete it.


4 posted on 10/01/2004 7:52:28 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
says he completed a Boston in the '70s but forgets his time (Question: Did he forget his qualifying time, too, or didn't he have to qualify?).

And no record can be found verifying his claim
5 posted on 10/01/2004 7:53:55 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Just checked the Boston Marathon site and found the following in terms of qualifying standards:

Monday, April 20, 1970

Qualifying standards were introduced. The official B.A.A. entry form stated, "A runner must submit the certification...that he has trained sufficiently to finish the course in less than four hours…"

6 posted on 10/01/2004 7:58:12 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

I know people who entered marathons, but didn't complete them. They for sure remember every detail of how long they ran, where they quit, and why they quit.
Not finishing seems to be more memorable than finishing.

We know he never ran a marathon, don't we?


7 posted on 10/01/2004 8:01:30 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: kabar
Isn't it unusual for a marathoner to forget his finish time? My brother was a marathoner and he remembered his finish time from every marathon he ever ran.
8 posted on 10/01/2004 8:01:37 PM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

YEAR ENTRANTS

1970 1,174
1971 1,067
1972 1,219
1973 1,574
1974 1,951
1975 2,395
1976 2,188
1977 3,040
1978 4,764
1979 7,927


9 posted on 10/01/2004 8:01:38 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Back in the 1970s many ran the Boston Marathon without registering. But if he ran it legitimately, then his time and entry was recorded and archived.

IIRC: To run it unofficially you wait for the initial crowd of serious runners and registered runners to make their start. Then you go.


10 posted on 10/01/2004 8:02:07 PM PDT by dennisw (Gd is against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: singfreedom; speekinout

I agree. You just don't forget your times or the dates, especially your first one.


11 posted on 10/01/2004 8:04:20 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Monday, April 20, 1970

Qualifying standards were introduced. The official B.A.A. entry form stated, "A runner must submit the certification...that he has trained sufficiently to finish the course in less than four hours…"

That's for the serious registered runners. The 26 mile course of the Boston Marathon is kept clear of traffic for about 6-7 hours. Some run-walk the marathon in that time. You would be surprised

12 posted on 10/01/2004 8:05:18 PM PDT by dennisw (Gd is against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: dennisw

I would never run a marathon unofficially. I still have my numbers, medals, etc showing I participated and finished.


13 posted on 10/01/2004 8:06:38 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
In the mid 1970s, the qualifying time for men (you have to qualify to run in the Boston Marathon in another marathon) was 3 hours--the per-mile pace is slightly less that 7 minutes per mile....for a 26.2 mile race. Around 1980, the BAA, which organizes that race cut that to 2 hours 50 minutes, about 6 minutes and thirty seconds per mile.

Found this in my Boston Marathon book by Tom Derderian.

14 posted on 10/01/2004 8:06:48 PM PDT by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

" Kerry says he completed a Boston in the '70s but forgets his time "

I'm a runner and not only does this not pass the smell test, it's a further indication of Kerry's ongoing and probably untreated , mental pathology .
Anyone who runs a marathon, especially a big one like the Boston or NYC, will remember their time- for ever.
Especially if you only run it once.
This is like a golfer playing a dream round at St Andrews in Scotland and then saying they can't remember their score.

How much evidence does it take before people other than bloggers and Freepers,
will acknowledge that Kerry has major psychological problems which render him unfit to be anywhere near the Oval Office ?
Or is it that to be a Democrat nominee for president, one of the prerequisites is that you be a psychopath ?


15 posted on 10/01/2004 8:10:11 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue ( Kerry to our troops-Throw down your arms and surrender !)
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To: dennisw
I never did Boston, but I ran the Berlin Marathon four times and they shut much of city down there as well. They were held on a Sunday morning so traffic was not too bad. My best time was 3 hours 33 minutes and I was 43 years old at the time.

Boston had over 20,000 runners this year. Berlin had over 35,000 runners this year with 28,000 plus finishing.

16 posted on 10/01/2004 8:11:57 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

The qualifying times also vary by age. Three hours would be for the elite or younger crowd. I believe the Masters qualifying was 3:30


17 posted on 10/01/2004 8:14:33 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

Maybe Kerry is confused. He meant to say that he ran the PHNOM PENH Marathon. They hold it on XMAS Eve.


18 posted on 10/01/2004 8:16:39 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
These days, you start getting breaks after age 35. Not sure what the situation was then. Kerry was turned 35 in 1979. Now you get only an extra five minutes of cushion when you turn 35.
19 posted on 10/01/2004 8:17:57 PM PDT by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: singfreedom
Isn't it unusual for a marathoner to forget his finish time?

It is if you only ran one. I ran in Honolulu on Dec. 7 (Pearl Harbor Day) 1980. Time: 4:05:15. Place: 2929th. Still have the t-shirt, retired from wear because about one more wash and it falls to pieces.

20 posted on 10/01/2004 8:20:03 PM PDT by VadeRetro (A self-reliant conservative citizenry is a better bet than the subjects of an overbearing state.)
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To: kabar

You are a serious runner. The sport was looser, the Boston Marathon was looser, less formal in the 1970s. Many ran unofficially who couldn't make the cut to qualify as a registered runner. Kerry could have been one of them, not that I place trust in anything he says.


21 posted on 10/01/2004 8:20:31 PM PDT by dennisw (Gd is against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

QUALIFYING TIMES*
AGE GROUP MEN WOMEN

18-34 3hrs 10min 3hrs 40min
35-39 3hrs 15min 3hrs 45min
40-44 3hrs 20min 3hrs 50min
45-49 3hrs 30min 4hrs 00min
50-54 3hrs 35min 4hrs 05min
55-59 3hrs 45min 4hrs 15min
60-64 4hrs 00min 4hrs 30min
65-69 4hrs 15min 4hrs 45min
70-74 4hrs 30min 5hrs 00min
75-79 4hrs 45min 5hrs 15min
80 and over 5hrs 00min 5hrs 30min
*An additional 59 seconds will be accepted for each age group time standard. For example, a net time of 3:50:59 will be accepted for a 42-year old woman.


22 posted on 10/01/2004 8:20:46 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Post #22 are the qualifying times for the 2005 Boston Marathon.


23 posted on 10/01/2004 8:23:22 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
The qualifying times also vary by age. Three hours would be for the elite or younger crowd. I believe the Masters qualifying was 3:30

The qualifying standards were tougher when Kerry "qualified" for his Boston Marathon in the late 1970s. There still pretty tough, according the the Boston Athletic Association site. For the 2005 Boston Marathon, male runners have to be 45 years-old to slip in with a 3:30 qualifying time. And Kerry, as I mentioned in a previous post, turned 35 in 1979. (And if you believe his biography, he was working 25 hour days in the DA's office while also training for marathons in the late '70s.)

24 posted on 10/01/2004 8:26:32 PM PDT by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Running is by far the BEST thing any individual can do. Running just a few days a week gives you so much more motivation and energy to do things. Compare any runner vs a non runner and i would place money that the runner accomplishes far more and is more productive with their time.

That being said. I don't think I can every run a marathon. I mean damn, I hate running. I cap myself at 5 miles.


25 posted on 10/01/2004 8:31:28 PM PDT by chudogg (www.chudogg.blogspot.com)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Hey, I was living on Beacon Street in Brookline. They ran right past my front door

I was there. I never saw him. Believe me, after trashing the troops on TV and making me spit, I would have recognized him.

Can I do a commercial for the "Massachussettsians For Truth" 527 now?

26 posted on 10/01/2004 8:32:22 PM PDT by cookcounty (Kerry: He began by trashing the VN Vets. He ends by trashing the NG. Such class is rarely seen.)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
The qualifying standards were tougher when Kerry "qualified" for his Boston Marathon in the late 1970s

Not so. See my post #6. You just had to show that you could run the marathon in less than four hours. As the Marathons get bigger, more restrictive qualifying standards are developed. The organizers try to restrict the numbers for a variety of reasons, particularly logistical. Even the Marine Corps Marathon in DC is done through a lottery system.

27 posted on 10/01/2004 8:33:35 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Every few years someone runs part of the race, hops onto a street car or subway or the T and rides and then crosses the finish line.

I would expect that JF'ingK would have had someone with a video camera taking pictures of him for posterity or at least of his posterior.


28 posted on 10/01/2004 8:44:18 PM PDT by Lunkhead_01
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To: kabar
Not so. See my post #6. You just had to show that you could run the marathon in less than four hours. As the Marathons get bigger, more restrictive qualifying standards are developed. The organizers try to restrict the numbers for a variety of reasons, particularly logistical. Even the Marine Corps Marathon in DC is done through a lottery system.

Found this book in a storage box, took a while to find it...From Hal Higdon's "Boston: A Century of Running":

1975-1979, Men's qualifying time, 3:00.
In 1980, That was dropped to 2:50.

Kerry's "Marathon Experience" took place at the peak of the running boom. The standards from 1970 on got tougher and tougher, only to be gently relaxed, make that very gently relaxed, since.

29 posted on 10/01/2004 8:51:41 PM PDT by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: uncbob
He knows his time. Don't let him fool you with that "can't remember" act. Nixon sent him to run in the Boston Marathon. sKerry was working for the CIA long after he left Viet Nam--on Nixon's orders. Not only did he run the marathon, but he was holding back and not running as fast as he really could. He had to run slower so that the other CIA agents accompanying him on the Boston Marathon SpecOP could keep up. Nixon told him not to call attention to his SpecOP by doing something stupid like winning the race or something like that. sKerry knows full well what his race time was. That time is SEARED into his memory. He has vivid memories of that time each time he dons his CIA Secret Agent hat.
30 posted on 10/01/2004 8:59:25 PM PDT by Conservative Infidel
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To: Conservative Infidel
Well, not that you've put it into perspective, you're right. But wasn't The Gong Show's Chuck Barris (a major 1970s icon) one of those CIA agents? I'm sure he was.
31 posted on 10/01/2004 9:22:53 PM PDT by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Even some Democrats may wish his biggest running achievement--the Boston Marathon--was backed up by some solid documentation. "

I ran Boston in the early 80's. I remember my qualifying race and time (Jersey Shore Marathon, 2:48:45) my finish place and time at Boston (2257 of 6664 in 2:56:59)and still have the finisher medal you only get by crossing the finish line. I'm sure that finisher lists are archived somewhere; maybe I'll google one up to cross check my memory!

If Kerry did run, he's on a list unless he ran "bandit" (unregistered).

32 posted on 10/01/2004 9:23:44 PM PDT by JimRed (Kerry for President... of FRANCE!)
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John
Found this book in a storage box, took a while to find it...From Hal Higdon's "Boston: A Century of Running": 1975-1979, Men's qualifying time, 3:00. In 1980, That was dropped to 2:50.

I find that hard to believe that that standard applied to all runners regardless of age or sex. Women were allowed to run in the race in 1972. Nina Kissick won with a time of 3:10. In 1975 there were 2,395 entrants, which grew to 7,897 in 1979. There is no way that a blanket qualifying time of 3:00 could be applied and have that many runners in a field, which had women and older runners. In 1975 a German woman, Liane Winter, won with a women's world record time of 2:42.

In 1979 the Boston Marathon had a record of 3,031 runners breaking 3:00, which means that 4,861 finished above three hours. There is no way that a qualifying time of three hours could have been used to screen all entrants. 1980 was the famous Rosie Ruiz race. There were only 5,471 entrants, which could explain a tightening of qualifying times for the elite runners to 2:50. Higdon must have refering only to a certain male class of runners and not the entire field in terms of a qualifying time.

33 posted on 10/02/2004 4:06:46 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Perhaps. But again, for the '05 race, someone who is 36 needs a 3:15 qualifying marathon. That's a 7:30 minute per mile pace, pretty darn fast for a big-boned 6'4" guy.

Kerry turned 36 in 1980. What 26.2 mile race did Kerry qualify in to get accepted into the Boston Marathon? And why is he so evasive on what year he ran it it, and what his time was. As a prior poster chimed in, it just doesn't smell right. Also, during this time period, Kerry, if I'm not mistaken, was the number 2 at the Boston's DA office. (Not sure of the exact jurisdiction). The local press might've mentioned something about his marathon ru at the time. And he was a two-time congressional candidate, plus the VVAW stuff...Hard to believe he slipped under the radar, since even then he was a celebrity of sorts....

34 posted on 10/02/2004 4:34:08 PM PDT by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

You are preaching to the choir. John Kerry never ran the Boston Marathon.


35 posted on 10/02/2004 6:33:43 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Agreed.


36 posted on 10/02/2004 6:46:18 PM PDT by Land_of_Lincoln_John
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To: Land_of_Lincoln_John

Kerry was following Rosie Ruiz in the 1980 Boston Marathon before he learned that she wasn't rich.


37 posted on 10/02/2004 6:59:42 PM PDT by jackbill
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