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Ross Mackenzie: The Debate Professor Osterweis Likely Would Give the Edge to Bush
The Richmond [VA] Times-Dispatch ^ | October 3, 2004 | Ross Mackenzie

Posted on 10/02/2004 6:39:16 PM PDT by quidnunc

My old debate and public speaking teacher, the late Rollin Osterweis, would have judged this year's first presidential debate perhaps with an edge to President Bush. Osterweis taught both Bush and John Kerry at Yale; he was a stickler about content and delivery. Thursday night Bush won on the former, Kerry on the latter.

Professor Osterweis used a number of rhetorical maxims. One was: introduction, three main points, peroration, and conclusion. Another was: Tell the listener what you're going to tell him, say it, and tell him what you've said. Because Bush was true to those maxims, he got slightly the better of things.

Kerry was all style: better inflection, better rhythm, better tone — maybe generally better lines. But it is hard to beat Bush's, "The only thing my opponent has been consistent about is his inconsistency. The line is memorable and goes to the matter of substance: Kerry could not prevail on substance because he possesses so little. There is not a whole lot of there there.

On delivery, Bush frequently was more halting, more tentative, but his audience is the U.S. electorate — and the vast multitude of the electorate, the common man, has a Labrador's nose for the phony and the fake. It prefers straight talk, and senses the snake oil in the slick. Bush was locked-on. Kerry was at once too often over the head of his audience and all over the map.

And for good reason.

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(Excerpt) Read more at timesdispatch.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; debates; firstdebate; mackenzie

1 posted on 10/02/2004 6:39:16 PM PDT by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc

Electorate is fickle, they couldn't (somehow) smell the slick on Willie....twice.


2 posted on 10/02/2004 6:42:05 PM PDT by Rippin
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To: Rippin
That was before Rush, conservative radio, FOX and more recently and importantly, the INTERNET when we were forced fed the the "news" from biased media

Imagine where this presidential race would be right now without Free Republic and Mr Buckhead

makes ya think, doesn't it?
3 posted on 10/02/2004 6:48:31 PM PDT by Wild_Bill_8881 (If ya can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with BS)
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To: Wild_Bill_8881
Buckhead! Yep, yer got a point there. I'm not counting electoral chickens yet per the "new media." But our rhetorical chickens are having a field day.

BTW, Rush was large in 92 and vast in 96. I first listened to Rush in Boston in '90 and I wasn't the first at that time.

And the article above said the electorate had a nose for fakery, I just don't buy it. Too many don't.

4 posted on 10/02/2004 6:56:46 PM PDT by Rippin
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To: Rippin
>>>>>"""couldn't smell the slick on willy">>>> I don't think that is a true statement. A majority of voters voted AGAINST Slick Willy. Would Ross Perot stand up and take a bow?
5 posted on 10/02/2004 7:05:22 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Rippin
Rush was pretty much all alone in '92

and in '96, lets face it he didn't have much to work with, Dole was done before he started, and most were still getting their news from network TV and the Clinton News Network

The polls, other the news-squeak just aren't showing much of a change after the so called Bush debate disaster that the dem's are crowing about, looks like substance may actually win over form after all
6 posted on 10/02/2004 7:06:17 PM PDT by Wild_Bill_8881 (If ya can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with BS)
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To: Rippin
Electorate is fickle, they couldn't (somehow) smell the slick on Willie....twice.

Not without Perot The Spoiler...

7 posted on 10/02/2004 7:13:44 PM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: quidnunc

Why hasn't professor Osric Rupert Finklestern made his opinions known?


8 posted on 10/02/2004 8:02:35 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: quidnunc
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9 posted on 10/02/2004 9:13:58 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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