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Violent video games worked for me!
Minnesota Daily ^ | 10/1/04 | Bobak Ha’eri

Posted on 10/02/2004 7:45:33 PM PDT by qam1

It’s very, very naughty to throw a hand grenade at an ambulance.

I long for the days when I could massacre the undead in video games and not worry about corrupting myself or society. But wait … who am I kidding? The controversy over violence in video games is far older than most people realize.

From 1976’s “Death Race,” to “Mortal Kombat” in 1992, to the 2001 release “Grand Theft Auto III” and beyond, the controversy pesters whenever over-anxious parents, watchdog groups and legislators are looking for an “easy basket” against moral corruption. In all the hubbub, these arguments have missed a fundamental question: What ever happened to the children that first played violent video games?

It’s been more than 25 years since the Atari 2600 mainstreamed the industry and 20 years since the original Nintendo. The granddaddy of violent video games, “Mortal Kombat,” is already a tween. Countless violent video-game playing children have grown up to be adults. Has anyone sat down and looked at what’s become of these children?

I know I was curious, so I sought them out. It ends up they’re everywhere. Starting at my law school, it turns out many fondly recall “finishing” opponents with blood-soaked vengeance in “Moral Kombat II.” Over in the Medical School, I found students who, when not learning how to preserve life, routinely gather to dissect each other with bullets in “Halo.” Heck, I even spoke to members of law enforcement who passionately enjoy carjacking vehicles in “Grand Theft Auto.”

What’s going on here? Not one was in prison for murder, arson or even tax evasion! Many scoffed at the thought of even owning a gun.

I’ve observed sizable numbers of doctors, lawyers, junior executives, political consultants and many other young professionals who play or have played violent video games to some extent in their lives. Weren’t these the same kids who were supposedly being corrupted by video games? Yet here they are, taking up the mantle of leadership in society. Might these be mere games and not devious engines of social corruption?

Yet, just the other day, the British Broadcasting Corp. continued the rage against the video-game machines, citing games where players “murder” their opponents in games such as “Doom III” (omitting that their opponents are ghouls, but I’ll hold off on that issue). They even awoke the “classic” anti-video game argument, that mimicry encouraged people such as the Columbine shooters.

Hmm — Did I just not understand Columbine? Two unholy sociopaths shoot up their school, and it was because of their video games? As though playing violent video games made them in any way different from any other teenage male for the last 25 years? It seems as though violent video games are an easy answer for those who’ve never played them.

What is it that’s happening in this handful of marginal cases? Are these instances of people being morally corrupted by video games, or morally corrupt people who happen to play video games? Why not just point these arguments at all media, including movies and books?

To a much lesser extent, they are, but because video games are still a relatively new medium, they bear the brunt of worse misconceptions. After all, even holy books are interpreted to mean vile and terrible things (just look at Brother Jed) — video games are no different (and in the case of the Bible, no less violent).

Still, I have hope. As each generation of gamers gets older, we will hopefully carry this same understanding to our own children: Just because you shoot some zombies on the Play Station 2, doesn’t mean you’re going to shoot people at your high school, reality and fiction are separate, and it’s very, very naughty to throw a hand grenade


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1 posted on 10/02/2004 7:45:33 PM PDT by qam1
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To: qam1

To date, I've probably brutally murdered a hundred thousand in Counter-Strike alone. Not including any of my other games.


2 posted on 10/02/2004 7:47:26 PM PDT by Crazieman (Hanoi John Effin Kerry. War Criminal. Traitor. Democrat.)
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3 posted on 10/02/2004 7:47:38 PM PDT by qam1 (McGreevy likes his butts his way, I like mine my way - so NO SMOKING BANS in New Jersey)
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To: qam1

I often would steal cars in GTA:VC and run over pedestrians. Occassionally I'd steal the car then stalk and brutally murder the person I took it from. Sometimes I'd get the sniper rifle and "wing" people only to finish them off after they tried in vain to run.

Never hurt anyone in real life. Not even a puppy.


4 posted on 10/02/2004 7:50:04 PM PDT by Bogey78O (John Kerry: Better than Ted Kennedy!)
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To: Crazieman

I still haven't played Doom 3.

*sobbing*


5 posted on 10/02/2004 7:50:30 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">Hatriotism)
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To: RandallFlagg

It's pretty fun. It's like Half Life if Valve was a bunch of Satanists.


6 posted on 10/02/2004 7:52:34 PM PDT by Bogey78O (John Kerry: Better than Ted Kennedy!)
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To: qam1

I've racked up over 100 frags in one online game of UT2004. I must've killed almost 100,000 so far.

So far I've supressed the voices in my head.......


7 posted on 10/02/2004 7:54:57 PM PDT by Brett66 (Dan Rather, the most busted man in America.)
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To: qam1
I've played these games my entire life.

I didn't start shooting people because of Wolfenstein(The first "Doom"). I didn't start sleeping with hookers because of Leisure Suit Larry. I didn't rip heads off because of Mortal Kombat or Street FighterII.

They are all fiction.

Although I have to say that the one liners in GTA Vice City, Redneck Rampage, and Duke Nukem 3d are still hilarious.

8 posted on 10/02/2004 7:56:14 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Dead or alive, I got a .45 - and I never miss!!!" - AC/DC - Problem Child)
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To: Bogey78O
Occassionally I'd steal the car then stalk and brutally murder the person I took it from.

I preferred the golf club for that...
9 posted on 10/02/2004 7:57:46 PM PDT by kenth (Tucking tail and running is not an exit strategy, it's cowardice and surrender.)
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To: qam1

Carmageddon! Now y'r talkin' real mayhem!


10 posted on 10/02/2004 7:59:07 PM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: qam1

This dude doesnt even mention GTA:San Andreas, the most awaited video game this year, coming out Oct 25th. Combining Los Santos (LA) San Fierro (SF) and Las Venturas (LV), it will represent the whole of the state of California.

The main character is a black gangbanger, a big difference from the Tommy Vendretti slickster Italian type. This game is about 5-6 times as huge as the previous GTA games. You guys want to see how bad ass this game is?

www.rockstargames.com/sanandreas


11 posted on 10/02/2004 8:08:23 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: kenth

Finally--the truth. I've killed roughly a billion lifeforms playing video games and I've never--not once--had an urge to kill anybody in real life. If anything, video games are what keep me sane.


12 posted on 10/02/2004 8:09:24 PM PDT by silent_jonny ("This just in from CBS News: Klingons barricade themselves inside Graceland, demand to see Elvis.)
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To: struggle
I'm waiting for San Andreas, too. But Metal Gear Solid 3 is higher on my list.

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13 posted on 10/02/2004 8:14:49 PM PDT by silent_jonny ("This just in from CBS News: Klingons barricade themselves inside Graceland, demand to see Elvis.)
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To: qam1

Gaming is a multi-billion dollar per year market. Many of our future warriors are in training right now and don't even realize it with games like the DeltaForce series, Battlefield 42 or my favorite, Desert Combat.


14 posted on 10/02/2004 8:16:48 PM PDT by DocRock ('X' marks the spot... where Charley, Frances and Jeanne crossed paths and where I live!)
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To: Bogey78O
I often would steal cars in GTA:VC and run over pedestrians. Occassionally I'd steal the car then stalk and brutally murder the person I took it from. Sometimes I'd get the sniper rifle and "wing" people only to finish them off after they tried in vain to run.

Never hurt anyone in real life. Not even a puppy.


I also like to play "Carmageddon II" where you hit peds and try to take the other cars out. My favorite cars are the 1956 T-Bird and the 1963/65 Buick Riveria. B-) Anyhoo, other games I like on the Playstation are "Army Men 2 - Air Assault," "Final Fantasy VII," "Final Fantasy VIII," "Lunar - Silver Star Story," "Syphon Filter," "Road Rash Jailbreak," (where my tagline comes from) and "Twisted Metal." Army Men 2, I love the bug hunt using the helicopters, especially the bumble bees, I love how they just disentigrate when you cut loose on them. Syphon Filter 2, I like the head to head mode you can have with a buddy, one time, we engaged in a knife fight and we both cut our throats at the same time and died. B-) The Final Fantasy games are cool too, love the anime look and the storylines. Video games do provide a good way to release pent up frustration, especially when you deal with the general public everyday like I do.

PC wise, I like Diablo II.
15 posted on 10/02/2004 8:19:30 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
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To: Nowhere Man
Syphon Filter fan, eh? What did you think of Syphon Filter: Omega Strain? I HATED it. And I say that because I love the first three SF games, even SF3, which was a bit of a disappointment
16 posted on 10/02/2004 8:23:54 PM PDT by silent_jonny ("This just in from CBS News: Klingons barricade themselves inside Graceland, demand to see Elvis.)
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To: qam1
Throw into the mix a $100 million lawsuit filed by attorney Mike Breen, who is representing the surviving families of three students killed by Michael Carneal, a 14-year-old Paducah, Ky., high-school student who by all accounts was obsessed with violent video games, opening fire on his classmates on Dec. 7, 1997.
17 posted on 10/02/2004 8:24:31 PM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Crazieman; qam1
The first things I bought when I got my first paycheck (which was a humongous four-weeker because of a misfiled tax form) were a disk drive for my Commodore 64 and a copy of Gunship. I remember on a lot of missions (especially the Vietnam scenarios) I'd come across a formation of trrops and just perforate the crap out of a whole battalion with that big front cannon.

I guess it did ruin me though. To this day I have a strong urge to machine-gun terrorist scumbags. Yep, musta been the video game...

18 posted on 10/02/2004 8:24:33 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (If the Cambodia "lie" 100% discredits John O'Neill, what do 50 Cambodia lies do for Kerry?)
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To: silent_jonny

People against violent video games see them as perpetuating the human disposition for war making. If only they could suppress violence there would be more money for social spending, on themselves. They misunderstand the nature of man.


19 posted on 10/02/2004 8:25:29 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: silent_jonny

Yeah, it comes out in Japan first and there has been quite a big ruccus about it. Metal Gear Solid 2 was an ok game, I simply beat it really quickly and sold it back though. I'm still playing GTA:VC. I'm hoping MSS3 will turn out as good as it looks.


20 posted on 10/02/2004 8:27:46 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: RandallFlagg

You are missing out!


21 posted on 10/02/2004 8:30:31 PM PDT by ECM
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To: DocRock
Gaming is a multi-billion dollar per year market. Many of our future warriors are in training right now and don't even realize it with games like the DeltaForce series, Battlefield 42 or my favorite, Desert Combat.

Too bad the Delta Force series is finished and replaced by a piece of crap called "Joint Ops". As for BF1942, it was the biggest waste of money I've ever spent on a video game.

Actually the first person shooter games have really gone down hill lately. They all seem to be tilted either toward arcade like action or total realism. Games that are all one or the other usually suck. A balance is needed between them.

I haven't enjoyed the DF series since DF2 became cheaterville and never found a game I really liked since then except for WWII Online. I'd play that but I got a lifetime ban for voicing my opinion to some changes that were coming even though they specifically asked all the players for their opinions.

22 posted on 10/02/2004 8:31:33 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: struggle

MGS2 is a great game! Yeah, the story is a bit convoluted and there's a hint of anti-Americanism thrown in for good measure. But there's so much more to it than that. Have you played MGS2: Substance?


23 posted on 10/02/2004 8:31:40 PM PDT by silent_jonny ("This just in from CBS News: Klingons barricade themselves inside Graceland, demand to see Elvis.)
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To: struggle; silent_jonny

MGS2 had, perhaps, the single worst storyline in the history of fiction--I'm still trying to forget it =P


24 posted on 10/02/2004 8:32:20 PM PDT by ECM
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To: ECM

Oh rub it in, why don't ya?


25 posted on 10/02/2004 8:32:58 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">Hatriotism)
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To: qam1
When I was in high school, the first "Doom" came out...early 1994, I think. I was taking an AutoCAD class at the time, and as part of our class project, we generated CAD maps of the high school. The maps, coincedentally, ported nicely into the Doom Level Editor.

We had hours of fun sitting in the computer labs slaughtering hundreds in the hallways of our high school. Sorry Michael Moore...playing those games never once made me want to do it in real life.
26 posted on 10/02/2004 8:37:33 PM PDT by July 4th (You need to click "Abstimmen")
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To: COEXERJ145
"Too bad the Delta Force series is finished and replaced by a piece of crap called "Joint Ops"."

Joint Ops is better when played on smaller, custom maps with people you know online. Voice over net (VON) makes it a true "joint operation".

"As for BF1942, it was the biggest waste of money I've ever spent on a video game."

I stand corrected and agree with you, however, it is the base for the Desert Combat Mod which replaces all the weapons and vehicles with modern items. Very nice (and free) Mod, but they are system hogs and require some nitrous to run properly.

"They all seem to be tilted either toward arcade like action or total realism."

The realism requires a fast system to really get your money's worth.
27 posted on 10/02/2004 8:39:42 PM PDT by DocRock ('X' marks the spot... where Charley, Frances and Jeanne crossed paths and where I live!)
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To: RandallFlagg

It was fun to knock down that girl, lay down on her, and call her brother through. That is where MGS2 surpassed the competition.


28 posted on 10/02/2004 8:45:27 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: qam1

Criminologists and sociologists make the case that violent video games are cathartic: youth-on-youth violence dropped sharply immediately following the advent of Doom and Mortal Kombat. All the 'evidence' on the other side comes from analog experiments which should always be taken with a grain of salt when applied to complex social phenomena, and anecdotal incidents like Columbine (the perps played violent video games, therefore. . . but then again, so did lots of the victims and millions of others of their generation who never thought of bringing a gun to school. The argument is entirely akin to blaming an incident of violence in Japan on the fact that the perpetrator's hair was straight and black. One can't prove causation of a low-incidence phenomenon by a high-incidence phenomenon.).


29 posted on 10/02/2004 8:47:28 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was)
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To: kenth

Can't beat the M-60.


30 posted on 10/02/2004 8:49:28 PM PDT by Bogey78O (John Kerry: Better than Ted Kennedy!)
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To: kenth

Unless of course you have the mini-gun.


31 posted on 10/02/2004 8:49:58 PM PDT by Bogey78O (John Kerry: Better than Ted Kennedy!)
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To: qam1
Just Damm. I was so embarrassed when my son beat me at pong on the large screen at the local pizza parlor years ago that I never touched a video game again. So why do I have these urges to kill people and break things now...
32 posted on 10/02/2004 8:53:59 PM PDT by tubebender (If I had known I would live this long I would have taken better care of myself...)
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To: qam1
The road to perdition.


33 posted on 10/02/2004 8:54:08 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot
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To: qam1
Far Cry
34 posted on 10/02/2004 9:01:07 PM PDT by spodefly (A bunny-slippered operative in the Vast Right-Wing Pajama Party.)
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To: COEXERJ145

Did you try Return to Castle Wolfenstein? I enjoyed that immensely. I'll have to check out the DeltaForce series.

Anyone tried DOOM III yet? I plan to get it soon...probably for Christmas.


35 posted on 10/02/2004 9:01:07 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: qam1
Far Cry
36 posted on 10/02/2004 9:02:21 PM PDT by spodefly (A bunny-slippered operative in the Vast Right-Wing Pajama Party.)
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To: silent_jonny
Being a Mac owner, my game selection have been limited, and every one starts at $50! But I love my Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six (all of 'em) and SOFII "Double Helix" and especially Max Payne! I can only hope and pray that they decide to port Max Payne 2 to the Mac.

I've heard that SOCOM is pretty awesome (not available for mac) and there is a story relating to one of the commercials about that game, remember the one in which they're playing online and this mysterious group signs into the game and methodically blows everybody else away and all the "dead" players wonder: Who ARE those guys? And it turns out to be a REAL SEAL team playing on a laptop in the middle of the desert? Well, I had a buddy at SOCOM who recently retired as an 05 and he said it really happened! "Just like shootin' fish in a barrel..."

I like the Clancy games (wish more were ported to the mac) because his company employs ex SpecOps guys to write the tactics and so I have a chance to use my own experience and training in the mission planning and execution phases. Works pretty well with Ghost Recon and Rogue Spear. Weapons capabilities are extremely realistic, too.

37 posted on 10/02/2004 9:20:04 PM PDT by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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To: Nowhere Man

Is your username based on the short-lived TV Show of the same name?


38 posted on 10/02/2004 9:21:46 PM PDT by Bogey78O (John Kerry: Better than Ted Kennedy!)
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To: RandallFlagg

(I still haven't played Doom 3.)

I just finished the demo last night the word awesome doesn't quite do the graphics justice. But you better have an awesome machine to run it they're not kidding with thier system requirements.


39 posted on 10/02/2004 9:24:51 PM PDT by edchambers (Where are we going and why am I in this hand-basket?)
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To: TheLion

Never really got into Wolfenstein or DOOM. Played them a few times but they just weren't that interesting to me. Same for the GTA games. Mostly I like either strategy games, an old example was Janes Fleet Command, air combat games, or a few of the first person shooters.


40 posted on 10/02/2004 9:27:01 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: qam1

ghost recon bump


41 posted on 10/02/2004 9:28:28 PM PDT by primeval patriot
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To: qam1

Very Nice read. I myself work in the industry and the attacks we weather are very ludicrous. I appreciate your support. You've made it very hard for the naysayers.


42 posted on 10/02/2004 9:30:39 PM PDT by Patriot Hooligan ("God have mercy on my enemies because I won't." General George S. Patton)
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43 posted on 10/02/2004 9:33:44 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: struggle

I can't wait for this game. It's going to take gaming into a new era.


44 posted on 10/02/2004 9:34:17 PM PDT by SALChamps03
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To: DocRock
My only problem with realism is sometimes the game is too realistic. After all, it is a game. As an example I'll use how games handle death/respawn. Some games let you repsawn an unlimited amount of times, others a limited number of times per person or team, and others make you wait until the game ends before you can play again which of course is the most realistic but not always a lot of fun for someone who has to sit forever waiting to play again.
45 posted on 10/02/2004 9:34:25 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: TheLion

Doom III rocked.


46 posted on 10/02/2004 9:35:00 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: July 4th
When I was in high school, the first "Doom" came out...early 1994, I think. I was taking an AutoCAD class at the time, and as part of our class project, we generated CAD maps of the high school. The maps, coincedentally, ported nicely into the Doom Level Editor.

When I was in Junior and Senior High, 1979 to 1985, being into role playing games (RPG's), I took the school building maps and stocked them with monsters for Dungeons and Dragons and later with mutants, androids and zombies for Gamma World and I roleplayed a game where the mission was to clean out the baddies. Gamma World, I ran a game where we were frozen in 1994 only to wake up in the future (this was around 1983/84) where we ended up being mercinaries and one of the jobs was to clean out the buildings for the locals. My grade school buddy I game with (we still game, even over 20 years later) between his "pig" (M-60 machine gun) and my M-16 with grenade launcher, we got the job done. B-D

I might still have some of my game notes from then, I might use it again for the Morrow Project game I'm going to run or maybe for a future Twilight: 2000 game. You know what, I'm glad I went to school when I did, if I was there today, I'm sure I'd be in lots of trouble.

Like many here, I have never hurt anyone, I love animals (I have 8 cats) and feel remorse if I accidently hit a squirrel (I did so in 1983 by accident soon after I got my license, I was bumming for days) and so on, but the plans are good, ready made maps for RPG adventures.
47 posted on 10/02/2004 9:36:24 PM PDT by Nowhere Man ("Laws are the spider webs through which the big bugs fly past and the little ones get caught.")
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To: qam1
Ban Islam, not video games

Is Islam rated "M" for violence?

48 posted on 10/02/2004 9:38:19 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: All

I love Postal 2. Great game. It doesn't get any better when it comes to mindless violence for the sake of violence. It even pokes fun at itself.


49 posted on 10/02/2004 9:38:41 PM PDT by killjoy (The sky is falling and I want my mommy.)
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To: COEXERJ145
As for BF1942, it was the biggest waste of money I've ever spent on a video game.

You really have to play BF on a LAN with 20+ other people to make it interesting.

Go to your local cyber cafe and pay the $4 bucks an hour, its worth it.

50 posted on 10/02/2004 9:42:45 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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