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Drudge: DEBATE MYSTERY: DID KERRY HAVE CHEAT SHEET?
Drudge ^ | October 3, 2004 | Video

Posted on 10/03/2004 11:09:24 AM PDT by stockpirate

Edited on 10/03/2004 12:01:46 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: arichtaxpayer

You are correct. What I saw was a banner ad, and those change every time you view the page.


101 posted on 10/03/2004 11:31:54 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Drango
Yawnnnnnnn. I don't care if he cheated or not. It's a non issue and it's nit pickin'. Kerry has far more serious flaws than this.

Agree 100%. This is silly talk on our part.

102 posted on 10/03/2004 11:31:58 AM PDT by Khaosai
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To: Callahan

Maybe he was just making sure Kerry stays put so the Dems won't freak out and throw Billary in the mix. Giving him enough rope to hang himself, like. We shall see.


103 posted on 10/03/2004 11:32:46 AM PDT by telltaleheart
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To: USA_Soccer

I think it is probley getting tons of hits right now.

Here is the link

http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001054.php


104 posted on 10/03/2004 11:32:58 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry; supported by, financed by, trained by, guided by, revered by, in favor of, Communists.)
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To: stockpirate

a crack pipe?


105 posted on 10/03/2004 11:33:09 AM PDT by orangelobster
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To: SauronOfMordor
What has its gots in its pocket, my preciousss?

You misspelled "pocketses".

106 posted on 10/03/2004 11:33:58 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Thank you Rush Limbaugh-godfather of the New Media.)
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To: stockpirate

I don't know why everybody is so excited. It was just his list of nuances.


107 posted on 10/03/2004 11:34:02 AM PDT by Crabby Appleton
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To: orangelobster
Oh Johnny tell us it just ain't so.
108 posted on 10/03/2004 11:34:02 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry; supported by, financed by, trained by, guided by, revered by, in favor of, Communists.)
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To: Khaosai

However if it is cheating ...the common people understand that


109 posted on 10/03/2004 11:34:02 AM PDT by woofie
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To: Khaosai

Why is it silly? Cheating on an election debate seems like a biggie to me.


110 posted on 10/03/2004 11:34:04 AM PDT by livius
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To: stockpirate

AS MUCH AS I HATE TO SAY IT, I THINK HE PULLED OUT HIS PEN...JUST AS PRESIDENT BUSH DID. I DON'T WANT US TO LOOK LIKE FOOLS WHEN THE TAPE IS EXAMINED CLOSER....


111 posted on 10/03/2004 11:34:20 AM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: Peach

Wonder if it was just a hankie, in case he started dripping orange sweat?


112 posted on 10/03/2004 11:34:38 AM PDT by Rheo
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To: Khaosai
So you think it is perfectly okay if Kerry knowing violated the rules?

Not a surprise coming from you.

113 posted on 10/03/2004 11:35:08 AM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: skaterboy

What's the story with the Weld debates and cheating?


114 posted on 10/03/2004 11:35:21 AM PDT by AmishDude (To Kerry, some world leaders are more equal than others.)
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To: stockpirate

It would have been delicious if FOX had had a camera overhead looking down on the podiums and had caught FnKerry redhanded going thru a stack of 3x5 cards.


115 posted on 10/03/2004 11:35:23 AM PDT by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo for President/Jeff Flake VP 2004!)
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To: stockpirate
If it was a writing implement that Kerry took out of his pocket, and if it were the same implement he used in the debate, it should have been obvious what it was he took out......


116 posted on 10/03/2004 11:36:49 AM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: woofie
However if it is cheating ...the common people understand that

Agree with that, and it could put a big negative back on Kerry. Which would be great.

My point is, there was not any difficult questions in that debate. I am certain GW did not need info cards to help him with his answers. That is not the reason GW did not perform well.

117 posted on 10/03/2004 11:36:52 AM PDT by Khaosai
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To: Jewels1091

Bush didn't pull out a pen. The pens, pencils and paper were supposed to be already on the lecterns. Bush picked up the pen that was already there.

Once the hits die down, go and look at the videos.


118 posted on 10/03/2004 11:36:53 AM PDT by livius
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To: citizen

Vindication is sweet.


119 posted on 10/03/2004 11:36:58 AM PDT by JB_90 (Kerry-Edwards 2004: Because America needs a President who looks like a withered pumpkin.)
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To: TXBubba

"If it was lipstick and he didn't have a mirror than we know he wears it often."

He could have used his French cufflinks as a mirror :)


120 posted on 10/03/2004 11:37:23 AM PDT by Gucho
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To: stockpirate

So is there video of JFKerry putting anything back in his pockets at the end of the debate.... He sure would not leave anything behind...


121 posted on 10/03/2004 11:37:30 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Jewels1091

I watched it several times on large screen, it is a folded paper(s) and he unfolds it. Others have said that Bush looked over and got a look at this and had a strange look on his face.


122 posted on 10/03/2004 11:37:33 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry; supported by, financed by, trained by, guided by, revered by, in favor of, Communists.)
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To: Khaosai
Agree 100%. This is silly talk on our part.

In itself, its probably not the biggest issue of the campaign, but along with other evidence, it shows Kerry's serious character flaws. Throw it out there for the voters to see, preferably with other accompanying evidence. A preponderance of evidence is convincing.

123 posted on 10/03/2004 11:37:36 AM PDT by meyer (Proud member of the Pajamarazzi!)
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To: skaterboy

How did he cheat against Weld?


124 posted on 10/03/2004 11:37:38 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Why are we in Iraq? Just point the whiners here: http://www.massgraves.info)
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To: GOPJ

The conservatives are looking for any way to explain Bush's performance. Bush didn't need notes at the debate. I have memorized so many talking points that I was spewing them off during the debate. No excuses for his poor performance. I heard at least a dozen conservatives on the radio explain those talking points better than Bush. It was ridiculous.


125 posted on 10/03/2004 11:37:54 AM PDT by WillT
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To: Jewels1091
No, its a piece of paper. Right click, do fullscreen. Watch on the slow motion. You'll see something white and pretty good sized, and he actually unfolds it.
126 posted on 10/03/2004 11:37:54 AM PDT by Crazieman (Hanoi John Effin Kerry. War Criminal. Traitor. Democrat.)
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127 posted on 10/03/2004 11:38:22 AM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Khaosai

Are you kidding me? I detest cheaters. I detest them almost as much as line jumpers and folks who cut me off in traffic. If he cheated I want to know.


128 posted on 10/03/2004 11:38:31 AM PDT by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: All

DRUDGE has changed his headline to "Debate Mystery: DID KERRY HAVE A CHEAT SHEET?"


129 posted on 10/03/2004 11:38:39 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry; supported by, financed by, trained by, guided by, revered by, in favor of, Communists.)
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To: bikepacker67
I think he did have some "notes" if you watch him talking about JFK (the real one) and the Cuban missile crisis, and this issue of credibility... he is looking at the podium and reading it....

someone needs to start a 527
130 posted on 10/03/2004 11:38:44 AM PDT by dhm005 (die hippies die....)
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To: Technical Editor

I sent it to Drudge too. Looks like we're all out there working to expose John Fraud Kerry for what he really is. A CHEATER AND A FRAUD!!!!!!!!!


131 posted on 10/03/2004 11:38:45 AM PDT by Flamenco Lady (4 More Years!)
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To: citizen

Watch the video at this link.

http://www.dailyrecycler.com/blog/2004/10/winners-never-cheat.html

Watch it direct, or save it to your hard drive by right click, Save As, and then watch it.

It's very striking visually. I think this will resonate with the public. You have to watch it. It looks like Kerry is acting very "smooth and sneaky" at the same time as he palms the offending notes in his hand with his back to the audience, then puts them down on the podium


132 posted on 10/03/2004 11:38:57 AM PDT by pushforbush
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To: plushaye
You're busy counting trees. Look at the forest.

Are we ever going to be really prove he broke the rules? I doubt it. That doesn't mean the question shouldn't be asked, given the circumstantial evidence shown in the video. Look at the forest, or you'll forever be lost and going in circles.

133 posted on 10/03/2004 11:38:57 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (The Clinton poll is 2 to 0 against a Kerry win. All other polls are irrelevant.)
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To: stockpirate

His lipstick and blush. LOL

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1234162/posts


134 posted on 10/03/2004 11:39:16 AM PDT by Fatalis
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To: COEXERJ145
So you think it is perfectly okay if Kerry knowing violated the rules?

Nice strawman. I did not say that at all. I said it is silly for us to try and act like that makes up for how GW performed.

Kerry is going to lie and spin. We know this. What is ever ad the DNC puts on the air?? huh? A lie and spin.

Point being, GW should have performed better. He did not lose that debate because Kerry and info cards.

Why don't you go spin how when polling places say they are oversampling republicans because more people identify themselves that way it is fine. Yet, when the reverse happens you call in wrong. Point, being you are consistent when it comes to polling. And that is clear to many people.

135 posted on 10/03/2004 11:39:33 AM PDT by Khaosai
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To: Jewels1091

Yes, a 4" x 6" rectangular white pen.

Given, the quality on the video Drudge linked to isn't very good. Try this video link, and zoom to Full Screen. You will see very clearly that it is NOT a pen.

http://www.boston.com/news/special/politics/debate_video/sept29/1.html


136 posted on 10/03/2004 11:39:54 AM PDT by Nataku X (Live near a liberal college? Want to demoralize Dems? FRmail me to join in Operation Reverse Moby!)
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To: stockpirate

www.cspan.org has the video it is about 2 minutes into it that you will see Kerry going to his pocket.


137 posted on 10/03/2004 11:39:59 AM PDT by tapatio (If a dog makes a dash for my trousers, I shoot him down before he can bite)
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To: Drango

"What a non issue...."

Any chance to tweak or poke Kerry with a stick is appreciated.


138 posted on 10/03/2004 11:40:00 AM PDT by Rebelbase ("We will crush Al Qaeda"....Silky Pony)
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To: stockpirate
MEN AND WOMEN IN PAJAMAS ARE DANGEROUS


139 posted on 10/03/2004 11:40:26 AM PDT by woofie
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To: Jewels1091

I wonder if it was a pair of reading glasses, or did he not use any?


140 posted on 10/03/2004 11:40:29 AM PDT by stayathomemom
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To: All

DRUDGE has a quote from the Kerry campaign:

What did Kerry place on the podium?

Video replays of the Kerry maneuver played all weekend long on the internet.

"John Kerry brought prohibited material into last Thursday's Presidential Debate," charged indcjournal.com.

A top Kerry campaign source explained late Sunday how Bush supporters were once again trying to distract.

"Kerry did not cheat," said the Kerry insider. "This is more lies from Republicans, who are hoping for a quick change of subject away from the president's performance, and the new polls."


141 posted on 10/03/2004 11:40:39 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry; supported by, financed by, trained by, guided by, revered by, in favor of, Communists.)
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To: Crazieman

"No, its a piece of paper. Right click, do fullscreen. Watch on the slow motion. You'll see something white and pretty good sized, and he actually unfolds it."

Tips from Hanoi Jane?


142 posted on 10/03/2004 11:40:42 AM PDT by Gucho
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To: sarasotarepublican

true
its sickening the state America is in that we could have elected a draft dodging lying rapist twice, and that an american traitor is so close in the Presidential election... if Pres Bush loses, america is lost


143 posted on 10/03/2004 11:40:43 AM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: Khaosai

Right now, everyone is talking about how bad Bush was. But if Kerry actually cheated, the topic of conversation about the debates would change quickly and everyone could forget about Bush's performance.


144 posted on 10/03/2004 11:40:54 AM PDT by tirednvirginia
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To: stockpirate

I just read the Drudge article. When a Dem starts saying it is "a Republican trick to distract" then you know there is something going on.


145 posted on 10/03/2004 11:41:36 AM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: Khaosai
That is not the reason GW did not perform well.

But it is a reason for sKerry to perform better than one would expect, which would obviously foreshadow Bush's performance. A debate is a comparison, and generally, ad-lib answers tend to pale compared to a read, rehearsed speech.

146 posted on 10/03/2004 11:41:45 AM PDT by meyer (Proud member of the Pajamarazzi!)
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To: woofie

I see a couple in the picture that could be pretty dangerous to me...lol


147 posted on 10/03/2004 11:41:55 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry; supported by, financed by, trained by, guided by, revered by, in favor of, Communists.)
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To: bikepacker67
" If Kerry brought a lil' cheat sheet to refer to, then that would give him a distinct advantage."

Yes. But it doesn't change the fact that President Bush (aside from his speech) didn't seem very well prepared in the second half of this debate. Substance is what matters in the long-run, and Bush clearly had more if you look through the transcripts. But his lack of coaching and "style" reduced the value of his substance. Bush gave Kerry more than was necessary, despite any cheating Kerry might have done. Now the fact Kerry might have cheated is and issue, but not in the context of debate performance. Let Kerry cheat in a debate: If Bush was better prepared, it wouldn't have mattered all that much.

So take it out of an argument about debate performance; combine it with Newsweek's loaded poll (too many republicans last time, too many democrats this time, for obvious reasons) and we have a story about how democrats cheat.

148 posted on 10/03/2004 11:42:03 AM PDT by paulsy
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To: Khaosai

We all agree that Bush didn't do well. But that's not the point. If Kerry cheated, there's a significant problem here, and one that the American people should know about.


149 posted on 10/03/2004 11:42:05 AM PDT by livius
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To: stockpirate

At first I thought it was a crack pipe or possibly a pocket knife in case they got into hand to hand combat, but after looking at it a few times I think it might just be a watch. Doesn't look like papers to me.


150 posted on 10/03/2004 11:42:31 AM PDT by orangelobster
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