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Drudge: DEBATE MYSTERY: DID KERRY HAVE CHEAT SHEET?
Drudge ^ | October 3, 2004 | Video

Posted on 10/03/2004 11:09:24 AM PDT by stockpirate

Edited on 10/03/2004 12:01:46 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Rebelbase
Any chance to tweak or poke Kerry with a stick is appreciated.

Good point. But it makes us look small and it blurs the focus of the important issues. Still it is fun to tweak the "Man 'O the People".

151 posted on 10/03/2004 11:42:35 AM PDT by Drango (NPR-When government funds a "news" outlet that has a bias...it's no longer news...it's propaganda.)
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To: TXBubba

It is the questions from Jim Leher...what else do you think it is?

You actually think they werent in cahoots?


152 posted on 10/03/2004 11:42:43 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: All

The night of the debate, there was a FR post detailing Kerry seemingly knowing the questions prior to them being given. Each laid out with responses from Lehrer/Kerry included.

Does anyone happen to remember the title of the thread or who posted it so I can look it up?


153 posted on 10/03/2004 11:42:49 AM PDT by Brytani (A changing mind is a terrible thing to waste - Vote John Kerry)
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To: tirednvirginia
Right now, everyone is talking about how bad Bush was. But if Kerry actually cheated, the topic of conversation about the debates would change quickly and everyone could forget about Bush's performance.

Good point.

Or would Americans feel this is the GW camp trying to push this and playing the sore-loser part. And with that just allow the media keep the poor performace of GW in the spot light.

154 posted on 10/03/2004 11:43:26 AM PDT by Khaosai
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To: Drango

Agreed. There is enough ammo in the transcript to bury Kerry. Even if he did have "notes", it certainly didn't help him.


155 posted on 10/03/2004 11:43:41 AM PDT by hippy hate me ("You don't send troops to war without the body armor that they need" - John Kerry, Pres. Debate)
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To: orangelobster

If you enlarge it you can see it is a piece of paper.


156 posted on 10/03/2004 11:44:03 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry; supported by, financed by, trained by, guided by, revered by, in favor of, Communists.)
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To: All

another thing, IF he did cheat, Leher is looking RIGHT at him, as he pulls whatever it is out of his jacket pocket.. so he isnt ignorant of the fact, if Kerry did bring something with him, besides his arrogant pompus attitude


157 posted on 10/03/2004 11:44:20 AM PDT by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: citizen

"...WATCH THE VIDEO..."

It's working now, 2:40 pm eastern time. It certainly does appear to be a sheet of paper, he seems to unfold it. Do what the site says, right click and zoom to full screen.

I must say though, it seems to be just one sheet of paper, so I'm not sure what all could have been on it that would be so very important.

Another point, kerry did well only because bush did rather poorly. If Bush had been on his game he would have wiped the floor with JFK.


158 posted on 10/03/2004 11:44:50 AM PDT by jocon307 (Exuding grim purpose and resolve since 1958)
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To: Khaosai
He did not lose that debate because Kerry and info cards.

Not sure that he even lost the debate, given that even with notes, Kerry couldn't come up with any substansive plans other than to consult the UN for guidance.

Khaosai - Member since 9/16/04. Hmmmmnnnn.....

159 posted on 10/03/2004 11:44:51 AM PDT by meyer (Proud member of the Pajamarazzi!)
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To: stockpirate
What did he take out of his pocket and put on the podium??

Why, a mirror, of course. Doesn't everyone know that he likes to talk to himself?

160 posted on 10/03/2004 11:45:24 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: stockpirate

John Kerry's response: "It was a picture of my fellow Vietnam soldiers who were killed during that awful war in which I served so bravely. I carry it around with me to remind myself of my heroism, my patriotism, and my selflessness. Many more Americans will die like these men if we continue on with Bush's collosal misjudgements in Iraq. We need to pass the global test. Once again, I served in Vietnam."


161 posted on 10/03/2004 11:45:27 AM PDT by dmc8576 (High School Students for Bush - 325 members ....Students for Kerry - 20 members. ENOUGH SAID!!!)
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To: skaterboy

Who says?


162 posted on 10/03/2004 11:45:32 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Do not indulge the Negative Nervous Nellies with reassurances.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Did you mean to reply to someone else?


163 posted on 10/03/2004 11:45:37 AM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: Crazieman

I just looked at it. It couldn't be a pen because he had to use both hands to unfold something. When you take a pen out of your pocket you usually don't need to use both hands only if it has a cap to take off.


164 posted on 10/03/2004 11:45:41 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: orangelobster

No pens or pencils were allowed unles placed there by the event commission.


165 posted on 10/03/2004 11:45:44 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry; supported by, financed by, trained by, guided by, revered by, in favor of, Communists.)
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To: All
Geez, People! Don't waste your time nit-picking about this non-issue. We have MORE important matters to focus our energies on like exposing the lies that were CLEARLY on display. Don't get us all painted with the tinfoil hat paint brush that the Dims would love to portray as the desperate flailings of a desperate group. Don't fall for the trap! I am pissed that Drudge would resort to such small time conspiracy baiting than something substantial like the new Kerry ads that call Bush a lier even though he explicitly said during the debate he would not do so!!
166 posted on 10/03/2004 11:46:05 AM PDT by 4MORE-YEARS
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To: meyer
A debate is a comparison, and generally, ad-lib answers tend to pale compared to a read, rehearsed speech.

Agree with you here. But even with that, it did not take info cards for GW to have the common-sense to bring up Kerry's 20 year awful senate record on National Security.

Wrong on the Gulf War, Wrong on the cold war, wrong on cutting funds to the CIA, etc, etc.

Yet GW never brought up any of these points. And if he needs info cards for this....then we are believing the Dem's that he really is dumb.

Which he is not!! - It was just a bad, bad performance.

And I never heard Kerry say anything all that smart to begin with!! - He simply didn't have to defend his voting record and that is why he won!

167 posted on 10/03/2004 11:46:24 AM PDT by Khaosai
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To: meyer
Khaosai - Member since 9/16/04. Hmmmmnnnn.....

He's a troll. He's been defending Kerry and the latest Newsweak poll and trying to discredit anyone who shows how the Newsweak poll was sauced.

168 posted on 10/03/2004 11:47:16 AM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: stockpirate
I just viewed th video on CSPAN and stopped it at i:40 +or-
and it surely is a piece of paper and it lays it on the podium. It's as clear as can be.
I enlarged it and it filled the screen. one can see it as plain as daylight.
Look for yourselves you doubters!!!!!
Frannie
169 posted on 10/03/2004 11:47:22 AM PDT by frannie (The truth will set us ALL free)
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To: P-Marlowe

If Kerry is willing to cheat in a formal debate, he is not worthy of being president of a glee club, much less president of the United States.<--- Remember...The difference between a conservative and a liberal is...A conservitive bases his politics on his morals...A liberal bases his morals on his politics...To them, the ends ALWAYS justifies the means....thats where the disconect comes when dealing with one in real life...They just dont get it!!!!


170 posted on 10/03/2004 11:47:24 AM PDT by M-cubed
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To: plushaye
That's my gut feeling as well concerning him having the noted beforehand, or at least was able to review the questions beforehand. After cBS I wouldn't doubt anything when it comes to trying to throw an election.
171 posted on 10/03/2004 11:47:53 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: orangelobster

"Doesn't look like papers to me."

Well, then that would rule out spitballs.


172 posted on 10/03/2004 11:47:57 AM PDT by Gucho
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To: stockpirate

His Bush zapper?


173 posted on 10/03/2004 11:48:13 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: bikepacker67

Later in the debate he uses the notes!!

I watched later in the debate as I remember he looked like he was reading as oppsed to writing notes. In fact, you see him sorting out about 6-9 notes. So now we need someone with time to go through the whole debate and count how many notes he could have written by the time he sorts about 6 of them. Also when he arrives as the podium you can see he shuffles them into the bottom of the stack. I know this trick--I've used it before in Junior High School when I cheated!

174 posted on 10/03/2004 11:48:29 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: ArmyBratCutie
Leher is looking RIGHT at him, as he pulls whatever it is out of his jacket pocket.. so he isn't ignorant of the fact,

I saw that too.

175 posted on 10/03/2004 11:48:36 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (The Clinton poll is 2 to 0 against a Kerry win. All other polls are irrelevant.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I agree the question should be asked. I too doubt if there can be definitive proof.

It wouldn't surprise me if he was given questions beforehand, given that the MSM wants him elected at all costs. It would surprise me if he would be that dumb to bring the questions to the podium, but you never know.


176 posted on 10/03/2004 11:48:36 AM PDT by plushaye (President Bush - Four more years! Thanks Swifties.)
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To: 4MORE-YEARS
I am disgusted by anyone who treats this as a "non-issue". Sure, Kerry's lied over and over about all sorts of stuff, but we've never had any sort of video evidence like this before. This is HUGE. This could sink his campaign. We must keep propounding this issue until the truth, or at least a reasonable explanation, comes out. And a half-assed accusation from a lib on Kerry's campaign that doesn't even address the issue at hand is not an explanation.
177 posted on 10/03/2004 11:48:48 AM PDT by JB_90 (Kerry-Edwards 2004: Because America needs a President who looks like a withered pumpkin.)
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To: Drango
...Good point. But it makes us look small and it blurs the focus of the important issues...

No it doesn't. It points out what a lying, cheating piece of shite Kerry is.

178 posted on 10/03/2004 11:49:10 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Proud FReeper since 1998. Proud monthly donor.)
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To: frannie

Thank you for helping them to see the light (paper) I was getting beaten upp here>...lol


179 posted on 10/03/2004 11:49:15 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry; supported by, financed by, trained by, guided by, revered by, in favor of, Communists.)
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To: frannie

Is it possible that President Bush saw what JFKerry did?


180 posted on 10/03/2004 11:49:20 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: stayathomemom

I think the position of his hands looks as if it's paper (kind of flat)


181 posted on 10/03/2004 11:49:44 AM PDT by DietCoke
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To: P-Marlowe
Cheating is a non issue? If Kerry is willing to cheat in a formal debate, he is not worthy of being president of a glee club, much less president of the United States.

I couldn't disagree with you more. I think Kerry would make an above-average president of a glee club.
182 posted on 10/03/2004 11:49:50 AM PDT by MozamFreepinBique (I certainly CAN prove to you there's a God, but I'd have to kill you.)
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To: ArmyBratCutie
another thing, IF he did cheat, Leher is looking RIGHT at him, as he pulls whatever it is out of his jacket pocket.. so he isnt ignorant of the fact, if Kerry did bring something with him, besides his arrogant pompus attitude

That would explain the "wink" that some claim to have seen at the end of the debate.

183 posted on 10/03/2004 11:50:02 AM PDT by meyer (Proud member of the Pajamarazzi!)
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To: 4MORE-YEARS
I am pissed that Drudge would resort to such small time conspiracy baiting than something substantial like the new Kerry ads that call Bush a lier even though he explicitly said during the debate he would not do so!!

It's Sunday. Drudge needs something outrageous to pimp his show, and Free Republic gave it to him.

Drudge will use ANYTHING to prime his audience for his radio gig.

184 posted on 10/03/2004 11:50:09 AM PDT by sinkspur ("John Kerry's gonna win on his juices. "--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: stockpirate

Will the media cover it if he cheated? He had the questions in advance and notes with answers, and he still made mistakes!? I wonder if this is how he got through Yale?


185 posted on 10/03/2004 11:50:21 AM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: Admin Moderator

Drudge has changed the headline to "DEBATE MYSTERY: DID KERRY HAVE A CHEAT SHEET?"


186 posted on 10/03/2004 11:50:36 AM PDT by stockpirate (Kerry; supported by, financed by, trained by, guided by, revered by, in favor of, Communists.)
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To: Drango

Non issue is right. Just a little more insight.


187 posted on 10/03/2004 11:50:55 AM PDT by IamJustright
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To: Nakatu X

YOU ARE RIGHT....WATCH IT CLOSELY, HE PUTS SOMETHING INTO THE PAGES OF HIS NOTEBOOK!!!!!!


188 posted on 10/03/2004 11:50:59 AM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: MozamFreepinBique

Another video link here:

http://www.boston.com/news/special/politics/debate_video/sept29/1.html

Right at the start of the debate. On this video, you have to watch a commercial first, but the quality is good.


189 posted on 10/03/2004 11:51:00 AM PDT by pushforbush
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To: stockpirate

I said I thought it was a watch. He probably wanted to keep track of the time elapsed so he wouldn't get caught looking at his watch like G. Bush Sr. did against clinton.


190 posted on 10/03/2004 11:51:03 AM PDT by orangelobster
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To: linn37

"I detest them almost as much as line jumpers and folks who cut me off in traffic."

I feel that way about people who litter. It infuriates me.


191 posted on 10/03/2004 11:51:50 AM PDT by jocon307 (Exuding grim purpose and resolve since 1958)
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To: stayathomemom

nope, he didn't wear any


192 posted on 10/03/2004 11:51:52 AM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: Khaosai

Why is it silly?

Under Clinton we had to talk to our kids about oral sex (or hide them from it). We also had to explain why the president is a liar.

If Kerry wins we get to explain why it's not OK to cheat on tests even if the president does it. I know I cheated a time or two in junior high, but if I knew that the President was a cheat, I'd probably never had stopped. Or if I got caught, my retort was so what the President cheats. I just don't want to go there.


193 posted on 10/03/2004 11:52:03 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: stockpirate

194 posted on 10/03/2004 11:52:24 AM PDT by Lady Jag (I dreamed I surfed all day in my monthly donor wonder bra [https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate])
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To: stockpirate

Maybe a TIVO video would be better than this grainy one. Anyone who has one that they can take a picture of and post it would be great.


195 posted on 10/03/2004 11:52:47 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: 95Tarheel
Kerry pulled Jim's list of questions out of his pocket!

And the scribbling he was doing was his answer for the next question.

196 posted on 10/03/2004 11:52:50 AM PDT by SweetCaroline
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To: Drango

Yea but. It is just another confirmation of him taking short cuts and will do anything to further his backers. (he has not causes)


197 posted on 10/03/2004 11:53:23 AM PDT by IamJustright
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To: Just mythoughts

Yes. If Kerry pulled out a cheat sheet, the Prez definitely noticed it as did Lehrer which would explain the Prez's attitude from the start.

It would speak to Bush's integrity, infact, if he noticed it and didn't alert people to it afterward for advantage, but instead took the hits all weekend.


198 posted on 10/03/2004 11:53:31 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Jewels1091

The only "good" possibility is that he was using a hanky, but it's a bit strange that he would unfold it and put it over the papers or between them, I would've crumpled the hanky into the side out of the way, or perhaps put it under the paper where the cup of water was being kept.

I'm sure someone will have a VERY high-res copy somewhere and solve this.


199 posted on 10/03/2004 11:53:44 AM PDT by Nataku X (Live near a liberal college? Want to demoralize Dems? FRmail me to join in Operation Reverse Moby!)
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To: MozamFreepinBique

"I think Kerry would make an above-average president of a glee club."

In France of course. (wee-wee club)


200 posted on 10/03/2004 11:54:09 AM PDT by Gucho
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