Posted on 10/03/2004 12:52:58 PM PDT by John Jorsett
This news is from last week, but seems not to have gotten any notice. Cynthia Matthews, Republican Congressman David Dreier's Democrat opponent in the race for California's 26th Congressional District, has been officially disowned by her own party over the illegal immigrant issue. Matthews has been outspoken opposed to illegal immigration and the corporations who hire them (she wants laws against hiring enforced), and reported on the John and Ken radio talk show that Democrat party officials and other Democrat candidates have officially disassociated the party and themselves from her campaign. The excuse being used, according to Matthews, is that her office unknowingly had some informational literature regarding the Free Trade Area of America (FTAA - a measure currently before Congress that would enhance NAFTA) that originated with the John Birch Society.
When informed of the source of the literature -- which according to Matthews was merely descriptive of the measure and not one of advocacy -- she discarded the material and apologized. Since it's actually her stance on illegal immigration that's the problem, her actions cut no ice with the Democrats. She received a phone call for the regional director of the Democrat party, Helen Doherty (my spelling), who left a message accusing her of being a turncoat and a Bircher and of jeopardizing the Democratic party. Doherty's message said she was asking all of the Democats in the area to pull their endorsements of Matthews. In a subsequent phone conversation with Doherty, Matthews said she was told that the party had received a lot of phone calls from illegal aliens complaining about Matthew's position on illegal immigration. That was when things clicked into place for Matthews as to the real reason for the party's cutting her off.
Matthews also mentioned that one Democrat candidate, Grace Napolitano, is actively campaigning against Matthews because Napolitano and Dreier are personal friends.
Dreier has been targeted for defeat by the John and Ken "Political Human Sacrifice" campaign because of his inaction on (or some would say, action in favor of) illegal immigration. Democrat congressman Joe Baca, who intervened with Under Secretary for Border and Transportation Security Asa Hutchinson to get Border Patrol "sweeps" of illegal aliens stopped recently, is also a John and Ken target. Baca has also publicly withdrawn his support of Matthews.
Since Matthew's race wasn't one of the Democrat party's "targeted" races (ones they think they have a chance of winning), she wasn't getting any financial support anyway, so this move doesn't translate to loss of money from them, but Matthews says she's getting increasing numbers of contributions from both Republicans and Democrats concerned with the illegal immigration issue.
This is just a ploy, to make Republican's think that Dreier's Dem opponent is better on immigration than Dreier.
Remember Ken and John are trying hard to defeat Dreier, they even held some stupid rally, trying to con the conservatives to dump a good, conservative Republican and get a Democrat elected.
Shameful. But hopefully most thinking conservatives won't fall for it.
You know what? If I lived in Dreier's district I'd vote for Matthews. Then in 2 years I'd vote for her opponent as long as s/he said s/he'd do something about illegal immigration. Reelecting people who are actively working to undermine the nation is a recipe for suicide.
So would I. In fact I live in Cox's district and would have voted against him if he had 'won'.
The article sounds SOP for the Democrat Party.
Sure, just ignore everything Dreier did for conservatives and elect a RAT.
What brilliant strategy -- for Democrats.
Lose that tagline please.
Democrats don't want any loss of votes --- they win in votes but the Republicans want the flood of extremely low-cost labor which business likes.
Conservatives aren't ignoring the rat, Dreier's betrayal on the marriage amendment.
Why do you think she isn't better?
What brilliant strategy -- for Democrats."
Not this s--t, again. Wasn't this your gubernator opinion/strategy? Well, you're consistant, anyway.
Look at Dreier's overall record, and see if any Democrat is going to vote anywhere close to that.
Not to mention, that the number of Republicans vs. Democrats DOES count.
I find that the illegal immigration issue does not cut on a Dem/Repub line at all. Pros and Antis are split within each party.
Can a political party expel people who claim membership in that party?
Unless she pledges to leave the D party and follows through with the pledge, who knows whether the Democrat party leaders are truly disowning her, or if they are simply trying to split Republican support. It could be dangerous later on if she has to curry the party's favor by voting the party line on all other issues.
J&K by themselves put the Gov. Gray Davis recall petition on the ballot, leading to Arnold. Without J&K and KFI 640 in Los Angeles, Gray Davis would be governor, and Arnold would be working on T-4.
So to dismiss J&K shows your lack of understanding of the "new media" phenomenon. The LAT and the "old media" threw everything including the kitchen sink and sham push-polls at Arnold, and talk radio and Arnold won.
Don't be so sure about the worthless RINO Dreier surviving when Gray Davis was knocked off by J&K and talk radio.
Personally, I agree with them and "political human sacrifice." It's the only way we're going to send a clear message (a 2x4 to the head) to Karl Rove and W. Bush, that we're ready to rebel over their hispandering for votes among today's illegal aliens (tomorrow's 'guest workers' and next years voters.)
I hope Drier retains his seat!
Exactly. Just like Proposition 13 took the ruling class by surprise -- which implies that if they were standing on a railroad track they'd be surprised by an oncoming train -- it takes a cataclysmic voter uprising to get their attention. I don't know that a Dreier defeat would achieve that, but it's a start.
Why? He gets an F- on illegal immigration, worse than Boxer!
It's the ONLY way we'll be able get the Whitehouse's attention.
If the defeat of pro-illegal super RINO Dreier doesn't get their attention, then it's over. Niagara Falls dead ahead, and nobody paddling for shore.
Speaking of Arnold, are you aware that he recently signed Sheila Kuehl's "child molester protection act"?
My folks live in Drier's district. They (long time Republicans) are voting for his opponent. Glendorans are very tired of what their community is becoming.
Dumping Drier would be a huge message to Washington about how serious we are out here about this issue.
There are no two opinions, there are no humanitarian or business considerations, there is only one issue and one solution to this issue -- stop the flood and stop it now!
I wish we had a choice like that in my district.
No question. Plus, John and Ken are targeting Democrat Joe Baca, and given the abysmally low turnout in his district, there's an excellent chance he'll get tossed as well. If both seats change parties, the result is a wash, but it'll wake some people up.
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Oh please, in a 22 seat majority? The loss of one hardly justifies your histrionics.
Besides, what exactly did the arch "conservative" ever do on the issue of illegal immigration? Has anyone in his district or in the state of CA ever been prosecuted for hiring illegals? EVER?
Seems to me that voting for this Dem is a win-win. Better on the issue, but more importantly a symbol that the GOP's traitorous actions towards Cheap Labor lobbiest will not be tolerated. You may view Republicans=Good, but I think all politicians must be held accountable.
Whew some on this thread are so gullible. I do though have a bridge to Brooklyn to sell them.
Dreier is a pile of crap.
If I lived in Dreier's district, I'd vote against him. But I only work there, so I can still do a lot to get him dumped.
BTW, Napolitano is my "representative", and if she and Dreier are such good buddies, it's a good sign for neither's character.
Vote for a third party if you must (i would go constitution party/American Independent in that district), but NOT for a 'rat.
Judas was bad, but Satan is worse!
Do you really think the democrat will be better than Dreier? I know she won't.
This country has decided to let the illegals come here at will,
and no one politician is responsible.
That train left the station decades ago.
I figured that out when our Prop. 87 was overturned.
Gullible or frustrated.
NO message will be sent.
Geeeeeeeeeez.
Lunacy reigns.
Uh lets settle down here alittle with the hyperbole; I disagree with Cynthia on environmentalist issues, etc...that doesn't make her "Satan".
The day when one of those pathetic losers in the Constipation party can win an election, they'll get my vote, otherwise the only way to send a message to the GOP is to elect Ms Matthews.
The only lunacy on FR is the Kool Aid drinkers for the GOP that view the letter R as some sort of Cultish religion. Pathetic.
Hello? Its a 1 for 1 swap, one Dem for one Rep, to support Cheap Labor Republicans like David Dreier is beyond "gullible" ---its treason.
I don't find very much conservative about David Drier.
You say "hello" and I say "good-by" to ONE issue folks like you.
Amen. David Drier wants to send your job to India, let illegals in to drive your pay down, and then he fails to support the bill protecting marraige.
I'd rather HAVE an issue, rather than a magic letter.
and its "good-bye" Mr McCartney.
Well there's a reason for that, but I don't wanna spread rumors ;-)
Now, you and i have been on the same side during the recall. depending on where she stands on social issues will make the difference to me as to whether the hyperbole is fitting or not. Do you know where she stands on abortion, "civil unions", conservative judges, etc.?
Insofar as the Constitution party, there are many solid, good folks there who ahve more in common with you than a lot of RINOs.
You and i dismissed the "unless so can win argument when it was used against McClintock, so there's no reason not to dismiss it now, and vote for the constitution party.
Just vote for the true conservative like you did during the recall. But to vote for a 'rat above a solid constitution party candidate makes no sense.
wrong. the only way to send a message to the GOP is to vote for a solid conservative instead of a RINO. i've had a LOT of respect for you during the recall, and LOVED the pungent truths of your graphics, which is why i am very confused as to you reasoning here.
Conservative Constitution Party candidates are not "pathetic", especially when they believe and fight for what the GOP SHOULD. 'rats are "pathetic", and i will never support their cause. They ARE a satanic party.
Congressman David Dreier is CFR
i agree with you about Dreier, TM, but out of curiosity who do you support in that particular district (forgive me if you've stated it and i missed it)?
that is because you dont know what John and Ken are doing. DO you know Dreier has the worst voting record of republicans and democrats on Ileagal aliens? did you know that?
Um...i think that is more true of someone supporting the democrat party by voting for their candidate.
Now, supporting a solid conservative, OTOH, instead of Dreier is a whooe different story.
I know all that and MORE.
The illegal immigration train has left the station decades ago.
Carry on.
I am leaving CA and never looking back.
Dreier cannot be defeated by Republicans simply withholding their votes. The opponent must get some of those votes she otherwise would not get, and won't likely get in the 06 election.
Insofar as the Constitution party, there are many solid, good folks there who ahve more in common with you than a lot of RINOs.
So does my cousin, but that doesn't mean my cousin is going to be the next Congressman. Constipation people are "losers" because, unlike McClintock-they really CAN'T win. McClintock has won elections, Republicans have won in CA, that's why the RINOs arguements were incorrect last year. Constipation kooks are just pretentious babies who don't understand how the system works, so they try to take their ball and go home. Unless they could win, say ANY MAJOR ELECTION EVER, they should stop stealing GOP votes.
But to vote for a 'rat above a solid constitution party candidate makes no sense.
That's because I want Drier to lose. Why is this such a difficult concept to for you to grasp? I don't want moral victories, I don't want another close call for him, he clearly doesn't learn by primary challenges, he needs to be out of Congress. But this is beyond him, this is a shot across the bow of the Admin, and the whole Cheap Labor party establishment that is selling me out. The fact that RINOs like him have been playing GOP voters for fools for decades by saying "well the Dems are worse" and getting you all lathered up with your whole Satanist hyperbole is how they maintain control. Electing a Dem is calling their bluff, and it announcing that we will not be tricked by the same stale arguements when such an important issue is being decided. Since it is only ONE SINGLE Dem, not nearly enough to give them a majority, and a Dem that happens to be better on the issue than Dreier, my position makes perfect sense. It is far more logical that p*ssing in the wind with some Constipation crank that couldn't be elected dog catcher let alone Congressman. I know you've heard Medved go into this position because I know you were on his show during the recall (where he quickly dispatched you). He's absolutely right about 3rd party types...and I'm absolutely right about sacraficing Dreier.
not at all. i view you as an ally most the time. just forgot to mention stuff, thus the multiple posts. btw, you have mail.
So does my cousin, but that doesn't mean my cousin is going to be the next Congressman. Constipation people are "losers" because, unlike McClintock-they really CAN'T win.
That's still the same argument that wsa made against Tom. whether he won before the recall or not is irrelevent to the fact that we knew he would not win over arnold, but we still voted for the best man because it was the right thing to do.
McClintock has won elections, Republicans have won in CA, that's why the RINOs arguements were incorrect last year.
Wrong. the RINOs were incorrect because of their beliefs.
Constipation kooks are just pretentious babies who don't understand how the system works, so they try to take their ball and go home. Unless they could win, say ANY MAJOR ELECTION EVER, they should stop stealing GOP votes.
Exactly the type of pragmatism you joined me in condemning during the recall. insofar as stealing GOP votes, you already agree the votes don't properly belong with a RINO anyways, and since you're not voting for the RINO, then the constitution party isn't stealing your vote if you give it to them.
That's because I want Drier to lose.
if a conservative does not vote for him, then it hurts him. But there's a REASON you don't want him to win. It's because he does not embrace conservative principles. So it makes no sense to support someone who does not embrace conservative principles in order to defeat Dreier. your solution is not better than the problem. it makes no sense.
the whole Cheap Labor party establishment that is selling me out.
Those who would support leftists are selling ME out. Not to mention the words of Jesus when he said it would be better for a man to be drown with a weight around his neck than to offend the LEAST of the little children (so how much worse to support those who would vote to murder those little unborn children).
These decisions should not be made in a vacuum. they cannot be divorced from a worldview and retain consistency. in this case, i believe a Christian worldview. i will not piss on the words of Jesus by voting for a leftist 'rat who disobeys his words regarding innocent children. and make no mistake about it, some of Jesus harshest words of judgement were directed at those who would hurt little children.
The fact that RINOs like him have been playing GOP voters for fools for decades by saying "well the Dems are worse" and getting you all lathered up with your whole Satanist hyperbole is how they maintain control.
i don't support his re-election so those words don't apply to me. But it is incoherent, and inconsistent to argue that supporting a 'rat is BETTER and morally the right thing to do than supporting a conservative instead of Dreier.
Electing a Dem is calling their bluff, and it announcing that we will not be tricked by the same stale arguements when such an important issue is being decided.
No, voting for a TRUE conservative is calling their bluff. remember, i think Dreier needs to go, but i will vote on the side of the angels, not the devils (and, no, it's not hyperbole to call the 'rats satanic--i actually believe that radical right wing bible stuff).
Since it is only ONE SINGLE Dem, not nearly enough to give them a majority, and a Dem that happens to be better on the issue than Dreier, my position makes perfect sense.
Not at all if you are supporting someone who would kill children.
It is far more logical that p*ssing in the wind with some Constipation crank that couldn't be elected dog catcher let alone Congressman.
again, sounds like the arnold argument. The constitution party are comprised of heros who believe (unlike most 'rats) that it's wrong to kill children.
Those innocent unborn (or partially born) children don't die by osmosis. They die because certian people VOTE leftists (i.e., 'rats AND RINOs) into power, rather than true conservatives (like some constitution party member who you seem to think are the bad guys).
Medved...He's absolutely right about 3rd party types...and I'm absolutely right about sacraficing Dreier.
No, he's wrong about third party candidates for the SAME reason he's wrong in supporting RINOs. your position is not consistent. i ask you to reconsider, and support a conservative, and if enough conservative folks do that then Dreier will lose anyway.
btw, Medved would have lost that debate had he not "dispatched" me, and not turned the volume down when i spoke.
i respectfully disagree,
StoneColdGOP.
Hey, that rhymes :o)
Anyways, if John and ken made supporting a third party candidate a central piece of their effort, then Dreier would lose even more GOP votes, especially those (like me) who absolutely will not vote for a 'rat.
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