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Math Against Tyranny
Discover Magazine ^ | Sept. 30, 2004 (Originally the Nov. 1996 Issue) | Will Hively

Posted on 10/03/2004 6:06:44 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative

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This is an excellent article. I read it when it was first published in 1996. It is one of the best defenses of the Electoral College I have ever read, but you didn't have to score 800 on the math portion of the SAT to understand it.
1 posted on 10/03/2004 6:06:45 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

Bumpitttt.


2 posted on 10/03/2004 6:12:12 PM PDT by Rocko ("... for Kerry the new world war is just a wedge issue.")
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To: Paleo Conservative
I have always considered an understanding of the electoral college as an intellectual litmus test with regard to acumen in politics and the roots of this country.

Show me someone who condemns the electoral college process and I'll show you an idiot who didn't pay attention in American History.....

4 posted on 10/03/2004 6:18:05 PM PDT by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: quidnunc

here is something you may enjoy


5 posted on 10/03/2004 6:25:02 PM PDT by jocon307 (Exuding grim purpose and resolve since 1958)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Excellent article. I had read excerpts of it before, but not the whole thing. And yes, he discusses the math in a way that non-mathematicians can readily understand.

A couple years ago I wrote for the American Academy of Actuaries an article on the Electoral College. It was published in their magazine, Contingencies. I did the simple math to point out that small states who gain from the Electoral College were enough to defeat an amendment against the College in the Senate, and far more than enough to defeat it on ratification.

But, contrary to this article, I did some of the math to show that if District voting were used in all states, not just in Maine and Nebraska, the final election of Presidents would be closer two, though still not identical to, the popular vote model.

Congressman Billybob

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6 posted on 10/03/2004 6:29:38 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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Show me someone who condemns the electoral college process and I'll show you an idiot who didn't pay attention in American History.....

Or believes that his neighbors will always pay more taxes than he so he has "nothing" to lose...

7 posted on 10/03/2004 6:46:23 PM PDT by Publius6961 (I, also, don't do diplomacy.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Thanks for the article. It would be nice if this stuff were properly taught in high school. My high school teacher instead preached how unfair the system was because of the possibility of a popular vote loser to win the presidency.


8 posted on 10/03/2004 7:03:12 PM PDT by beavus
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To: Paleo Conservative
Somewhere in my house is the original issue of Discover where that article appeared. Iam glad they decided to print it again.


FREEPER (PARodrig) PAUL RODRIGUEZ FOR CONGRESS

9 posted on 10/03/2004 7:07:58 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat)
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To: Congressman Billybob
You may find this article interesting. It is the best article I have found published in a foreign newspaper about the Electoral College.

THE JERUSALEM POST Sep. 5, 2004: Hands off the Electoral College

10 posted on 10/03/2004 7:16:15 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Bump for later reading.


11 posted on 10/03/2004 7:36:46 PM PDT by tricky_k_1972 (Putting on Tinfoil hat and heading for the bomb shelter.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Thanks for digging this article up -- very interesting. I like the baseball analogy.


12 posted on 10/03/2004 8:23:23 PM PDT by FoxInSocks
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To: FoxInSocks

I promised another Freeper I would post it in October when I posted a link to the article back in early September.


13 posted on 10/03/2004 8:26:30 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Thank you for posting this. I saved that magazine for a long, long while and finally lost track of where I had put it. I thought I would never locate this excellent article again.

It is the best explanation of the electoral college I have ever seen.

God bless our founders and their infinite wisdom.


14 posted on 10/04/2004 3:57:15 AM PDT by Naomi4
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To: Paleo Conservative

Thank you for posting this. I saved that magazine for a long, long while and finally lost track of where I had put it. I thought I would never locate this excellent article again.

It is the best explanation of the electoral college I have ever seen.

God bless our founders and their infinite wisdom.


15 posted on 10/04/2004 4:00:06 AM PDT by Naomi4
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To: Paleo Conservative

To put it even more simply, it forces candidates to appeal to the country as a whole, and not to a few (or one) specific consituencies. It strongly inhibits regional candidacies - thereby maintaining a cohesive population, while not blocking variability.

As a side-effect, it also limits the effects of election fraud, requiring to be widespread in order to actually affect races; it makes recounts possible; and it makes sure that we actually do end up with a President, rather than keeping everything tied up in the courts throughout what should be a new President's term.


16 posted on 10/04/2004 10:36:34 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Congressman Billybob
But, contrary to this article, I did some of the math to show that if District voting were used in all states, not just in Maine and Nebraska, the final election of Presidents would be closer two, though still not identical to, the popular vote model.

I think the risk that the moderate sized blocks create to a candidate who has the popular vote in-hand is a great benefit to the nation as a whole, as he must maintain a battle in lots of different places, thereby forcing him to appeal to more people. It may not sink him, but if every once in a while it does so, the risk is there, and the individuals in the nation are paid much more heed to.

17 posted on 10/04/2004 10:40:48 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Ping!

I'd like your opinion on this article.

Aren't you the Freeper who performed a statistical study on voting patterns in Florida in the 2000 elections?

18 posted on 10/04/2004 7:45:03 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; ...

Long. Worth reading.


19 posted on 10/04/2004 10:02:24 PM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. + http://www.alamo-girl.com/)
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To: Peach; Mo1; Miss Marple

Long but well worth the read.


20 posted on 10/05/2004 7:14:57 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (John F. Kerry. Wrong war? WRONG MAN!!)
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