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Conservative group targets Bush over immigration
North County Times ^ | 2 October 2004 | William Finn Bennett

Posted on 10/03/2004 9:47:51 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder

Fed up with what they say is the Bush administration's failure to address a growing illegal immigration problem, a small group of conservatives has launched a series of radio ads seeking to convince voters to oust President Bush from office.

Last week, a group called Friends of the Border Patrol began a series of ads on KABC-AM in Los Angeles blasting Bush for "playing politics with national security."

The group plans on running the same ads in Arizona starting this week, before the Oct. 13 presidential debate in Phoenix, and in the following weeks in Nevada and New Mexico, a spokesman for the group said.

While California is generally considered to be safely in the Kerry camp, New Mexico and Nevada are seen as swing states that could go to either candidate in what is expected to be a close presidential race. Ron Prince, the chairman of Friends of the Border Patrol, said that he believes that Bush could lose Arizona as well.

In Nevada, three recent polls conducted in that state showed Bush with a five-point lead, 49 percent to John Kerry's 44 percent. In Arizona, recent polls show Bush with an average 10-point lead over Kerry, 52 percent to 41.3 percent. Kerry is leading Bush in New Mexico ---- barely ---- 46 percent to 45.5 percent.

A spokesman for the Arizona Republican Party said Friday that he expects that the radio ads will have little effect on the presidential race in that state.

"We've come a long way from being a battleground state," said Colin McCracken, communications director for the Arizona Republican Party. "The president's support in Arizona is overwhelming, and very little is going to change that."

Friends of the Border Patrol was formed in August to support the work of rank-and-file U.S. Border Patrol agents and to protest what the group sees as the federal government's obstruction of the job those agents perform, according to the group's executive director, Andy Ramirez.

He said the impetus for forming the group and airing the radio ads came during a July 24 rally at the Temecula Border Patrol station. The rally was held to protest a Border Patrol administration decision to halt a series of sweeps of Inland cities that ---- in just two weeks in June ---- had netted nearly 500 illegal immigrants.

Ramirez said he and Prince "just looked at each other and realized ... we've got to do something about this."

Prop. 187 author

Prince is best-known as the co-author of 1994's Proposition 187, an initiative that would have denied public benefits to illegal immigrants. He has been a consistent critic of President Bush for not taking stronger action on immigration reform. About 60 percent of California voters approved Prop. 187, but in 1995, a federal appeals court overturned it.

Late last year, Prince and Ramirez backed a similar initiative, dubbed "Save our State," but they failed to gather the nearly 800,000 signatures necessary to put the measure before voters in November.

While they are concerned about the economic effects of illegal immigration, they say their biggest worry is that terrorists can slip across the porous U.S. border with Mexico.

"I think it's more important to defend my nation than to be walking in lockstep like a good little Republican just because he is president," Ramirez said.

Because it is generally conceded that California's electoral votes will go to Kerry in November, Ramirez acknowledged that running the ads here is little more than a symbolic gesture, but that they still wanted to make the statement.

"We didn't want to ignore our base," he said.

Possible swing states

It is in the Southwestern swing states of Arizona, Nevada and New Mexico where the group plans on investing most of its efforts and advertising dollars, Ramirez said.

Highest on the agenda is Arizona. Prince said he has raised about $20,000 of the estimated $25,000 cost of the radio advertising campaign he plans to run in Arizona before the Oct. 13 Phoenix debate. He plans to spend another $25,000 for advertising in Arizona between the debate and Election Day, as well as about $10,000 in both Nevada and New Mexico.

Even those relatively small states could tip the election, Prince and Ramirez note. If Kerry were to win all the states won by Al Gore in 2000 and carry either Arizona or Nevada, which went to Bush in 2000, Kerry would win the election. Arizona has 10 electoral votes, while Nevada has five.

New Mexico, with five electoral votes, is being included in the ad push, they say, because it is a border state and considered "in play," even though polls show it to be leaning toward Kerry. Gore won it in 2000 by just 303 votes.

Prince said that voter resentment in those states toward Bush and his immigration policies could provide Kerry with just enough votes to make the difference and cost Bush re-election.

"With this contest, where both Kerry and Bush are standing on the edge of the cliff, just one little push could make the difference," Prince said.

An unpopular stance

The pair say they know their efforts are costing them support and friends in Republican political circles, but that they feel so strongly about the immigration issue they are willing to help elect Kerry to get their message across to the Republican Party leadership.

"This is bigger than being a Republican or a Democrat . We need a new commander in chief that will protect our borders," Ramirez said.

Some area Republicans, however, say that because of the overwhelming support for Bush within the Republican Party, they don't expect the ads to have much of an effect.

"I haven't heard anything but a strong commitment from conservatives of getting the president elected," said San Diego County-based Republican political consultant Scott Barnett.

"He is the first president who actually understands Mexico, (that) people are coming here from Mexico because they want better lives," he added.

Guest-worker program

Ramirez said the group is upset with the president for his support of a guest-worker program that would allow foreign citizens to come to the United States for temporary work, an idea touted in the Bush campaign platform. The guest-worker program would also allow illegal immigrants already in the country to sign up.

White House spokesman Ken Lisaius said last week that Bush proposed the program, in part, to fill an economic need.

"The temporary-worker program matches willing foreign workers with willing U.S. employers when no (available) American workers can be found," he said.

When asked how the government would determine whether there are no Americans willing to take those jobs, Lisaius said that the details of the program are still being worked out with Congress.

Lisaius said the program would also make America safer because it would require that those illegal immigrants who join the program register with the government, making it easier to track their whereabouts. It would also require that workers return to their county of origin once their yet-to-be determined time limit has elapsed.

Ramirez disputed Lisaius' assessment.

"They can claim it's a guest-worker program, but Americans are not fooled ---- it's amnesty," he said.

Matricula consular

Another sore point with the group is the Bush administration's successful efforts to cut a portion of a bill now before the House of Representatives that would have barred American banks from accepting as identification a document issued to Mexicans in this country by the Mexican government.

On Sept. 14, the Associated Press reported that after the Bush administration opposed that part of the bill, which would have banned the use of the "matricula consular" by U.S. banks. Congress then voted to strike the wording from the bill.

One nationally recognized conservative figure who wants to remain anonymous said last week that he believes the illegal immigration issue represents a threat to Bush's chances of re-election.

"The unrest is widespread amongst conservatives," said the man, who served as a campaign consultant on Ronald Reagan's 1976 and 1980 presidential campaigns.

But those Republicans who oppose the president's policies on illegal immigration ---- including him ---- are afraid to publicly denounce Bush, he said.

"They don't want to take the heat from the Republican establishment, don't want to be seen as being disloyal," he said.

Fear, he said, also underlies the Bush administration's failure to take a stronger stand on illegal immigration ---- fear of losing votes, he said.

"They are scared as hell of the Hispanic vote; it's all about the election," he said.

The 2000 U.S. Census reported that 38.8 million Latinos live in the United States. A 2002 update by the Census Bureau estimated that in just two years that population had increased by 9.8 percent, about four times greater than the rate of growth for the population as a whole.

In 2000, 62 percent of Latinos voted for Gore. According to a July poll conducted by the Pew Hispanic Center, Kerry is projected to garner the same 62 percent of the Latino vote, Bush 32 percent.

Businesses ignored

Ramirez said many conservatives are also mad at Bush because of what they see as his administration's failure to crack down on those who knowingly hire illegal immigrants.

"Every single company that hires illegal immigrants should be fined," Ramirez said. "This is all about cheap labor."

Prince said big-business interests have pressured Bush into laying off companies that hire illegal immigrants.

"In the old days, (political) patronage was all about providing jobs. Now, it's about campaign contributions from business interests," he said.

In the 2004 Republican Party platform, it states: "There must be strong workplace enforcement with tough penalties against employees and employers who violate immigration laws."

A U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman said in a recent interview that the number of companies investigated nationwide for hiring illegal immigrants has increased significantly. However, federal records show that the number of fines issued against companies for the practice has plummeted.

The records show that in 2001, 141 companies across the country were hit with fines, 15 of them in California. By 2002, those numbers had dropped to 73 and one, respectively. In 2003, 15 companies in the United States were fined, none of them in California. And as of May 2004, just one company ---- in Maryland ---- was fined. May was the most recent month for which statistics were available.

The former campaign consultant to Reagan said he believes that Bush is not coming down harder on illegal immigrants out of a need to satisfy big-business interests.

"They want more cheap labor. All they are interested in is their profits," he said.

The ads pound the same point: "We believe the president wants illegal immigration. Why? Because illegals work cheap; that's the bottom line."

The cost of cheap labor

But the price that America pays for that cheap labor is too high, the ads go on to say: "You can't keep the borders open and the terrorists out."

Jack Orr, a San Diego County-based political consultant, said Monday that he was unaware of the radio advertising campaign against Bush. He added that while he has heard people within the Republican Party complain about Bush's guest-worker proposal and other immigration policies, he has not heard anyone say they would go so far as to vote against his re-election.

"This is certainly misplaced at best, and at worst, it's bad timing," Orr said.

While he doesn't anticipate the radio ads will have an effect in California, he said he believes they could affect the election in states such as Arizona and Nevada. And in a tight race, he said, it might even affect the outcome of the election.

"It could have the effect of handing it to John Kerry," Orr said. "I would say to those people mounting this campaign, be careful what you wish for."


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Looks like some people in California decided they have nothing left to lose and want this issue way out in the open.
1 posted on 10/03/2004 9:47:51 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder
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To: JackelopeBreeder

STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES



Read the Democrat platform THEY ARE FOR 100% AMNESTY!!!!


2 posted on 10/03/2004 9:49:58 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Repaired the article.
3 posted on 10/03/2004 9:50:00 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: B4Ranch; madfly; FITZ; Reaganwuzthebest; hsmomx3; Joe Hadenuf; 4Freedom; Ajnin; Marine Inspector; ..

Ping!


4 posted on 10/03/2004 9:50:53 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

what a bunch of idiots. Have bush lose, make things worse.

Yes, the border situation sucks. You don't make things better by making things worse.


5 posted on 10/03/2004 9:52:07 PM PDT by flashbunny (hey newsweak---poll this!)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

"Fed up with what they say is the Bush administration's failure to address a growing illegal immigration problem, a small group of conservatives has launched a series of radio ads seeking to convince voters to oust President Bush from office."

Cutting off their nose to spite their face.


6 posted on 10/03/2004 9:52:09 PM PDT by Max Combined (I gave back, I can't remember, six, seven, eight, nine...)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
a small group of conservatives has launched a series of radio ads seeking to convince voters to oust President Bush from office.

Do they think that Kerry would be better on this issue? Odds are he'd be even worse (if that's possible). And in the middle of the WOT with possibly three SCOTUS justices retiring in the near future this is no time to be putting a dangerous liberal like Kerry in the WH. These "conservatives" have their heads up their asses.

7 posted on 10/03/2004 9:52:49 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: JackelopeBreeder

Illegal Immigration will be the defining issue after 2004. If Bush continues to ignore the problem after he is re-elected, the Republican party will be torn apart. There are many republicans who are only holding their nose and voting for the party establishment this one last time because they feel obligated not to switch horses mid-stream after 9-11. However, with the WH open in 2008 the pressure and abosolute need to deal with this problem will not be held back any longer.


8 posted on 10/03/2004 9:56:05 PM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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To: All

Maybe we need to air some radio ads...

"Vote for Bush/Cheney and keep Kerry/Edwards/Soros out of the Whitehouse."


9 posted on 10/03/2004 10:00:16 PM PDT by Outland (Since when was socialism considered a good thing??)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

Those conservative groups better wake up and smell the REAL enemy! The Dems are pulling out all the stops to perpertrate massive voter fraud and invalidate the election if Bush wins. The ONLY thing that can counteract them, is for ALL conservatives to fight the real enemy, get out and vote for Bush, so he wins with such decisive margin, to overcome the fraud AND it will still be a decisive margin, to overcome any possible challenge to the election.

This is not time to "make a point" and throw the entire country to the terrorists.

Campaigns begin mobilizing lawyers (Dems already filing lawsuits)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1234511/posts

Lawyer urges snowbirds to cast their votes (to help Kerry)in Florida
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1234506/posts

Foreign election monitors driven by leftist political agenda (Alcee Hastings to appoint monitors!)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1234517/posts


10 posted on 10/03/2004 10:00:42 PM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: rmmcdaniell

I agree. If "our" RINOs continue to support Open Borders Uber Alles, what's the point of supporting them?


11 posted on 10/03/2004 10:02:41 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
the Bush administration's failure to address a growing illegal immigration problem

The understatement of the century. It's not just him, it's most of them in Washington, and what they're doing to America is criminal.

12 posted on 10/03/2004 10:03:37 PM PDT by janetgreen ( MEXIFORNIA, COMING TO YOUR STATE SOON)
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To: rmmcdaniell
Some people don't like having their sovereign Nation replaced by a merged USAMexico. Why does this still surprise the Bush White House?
13 posted on 10/03/2004 10:04:05 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Prevent the next 9-11. Stop Islamic immigration and deport Muslim aliens.)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Let's cut our nose off to spite our face.

If we don't like Bush's border policys, we will HATE sKerry's.

14 posted on 10/03/2004 10:04:35 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: JackelopeBreeder
I see you pinged your official list of fellow anti-Bush freepers. How do the members of your group feel about being publicly outed?
15 posted on 10/03/2004 10:05:33 PM PDT by bayourod (Even security moms should now know that you can't lead while waffling and calling Iraq the wrong war)
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To: Max Combined
"Give me what I want, or I swear I'll use it, and then you'll be really sorry!"

16 posted on 10/03/2004 10:06:24 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Mr. Mojo

Continuing to vote for the Republicans solely for the sake of achieving short-term victories is a lost cause. Republicans might win in 2004 or even 2008, but when Texas inevitably becomes solid Democrat, the party of Clinton will have an unbreakable stranglehold on the Electoral College. Any minor gains conservatism makes in a second Bush term will be completely negated by the permanent demographic changes underway. I’m guessing that these Republicans feel that the only hope for this country is to deliver a swift kick in the rear to a complacent party. Perhaps if they get the message, a true conservative can be elected in 2008 before its too late (Instead of a Bush successor who will likely be equally weak).


17 posted on 10/03/2004 10:07:10 PM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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To: JackelopeBreeder

This is clearly the Left doing this. This is unreal.


18 posted on 10/03/2004 10:08:21 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: JackelopeBreeder

What tools. Do they think they'd be getting this media coverage for opposing a Democrat? It's just the latest Bush-bashing story, and something the media is all too happy to publicize.


19 posted on 10/03/2004 10:08:24 PM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: dagnabbit
Because there are lots of folks who think telling the emperor he has no clothes is a mortal sin. Though I will hold my nose and vote for Bush because the Democrats have become dangerously irresponsible (there liberalism is not just like teenagers, but teenagers who downed all of Daddy's secret stash) after November, the long-knives need to come out and conservatives have to retake the party.
20 posted on 10/03/2004 10:09:29 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: WOSG
This will get a lot of support on this forum. Lots of people who see this as their only issue and vote based on it.

This is just as stupid as the people who won't vote, or vote third party, over the abortion issue even though the Republican running is 99% pro-life but not the required 100% for the single issue voters.

21 posted on 10/03/2004 10:10:01 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: JackelopeBreeder

IDIOTS to be doing this to the Prez at this crucial hour.


22 posted on 10/03/2004 10:10:06 PM PDT by montag813
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To: JackelopeBreeder

So do these people think a President Kerry will seal the borders? Bush has increased funding for border patrol. I think his guest-worker plan is flawed too, but what's the best way to approach it? Any plan HAS to go through Congress anyway. Why don't these people put pressure on Congress and the administration AFTER the election?


23 posted on 10/03/2004 10:10:22 PM PDT by 12 Gauge Mossberg (I Approved This Posting - Paid For By Mossberg, Inc.)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

Something has to be done about the immigration issue, and we can't make things worse by staying home on election day.

After the election is over is the time to work on immigration through both the Legislature and the courts.

We've found that we can't trust Bush to close the border, so a grass-roots, Conservative, push to go around Bush is the best answer.


24 posted on 10/03/2004 10:11:28 PM PDT by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: faithincowboys
Q: Which candidates are calling for militarizing the [Southern] border, protecting American workers, and persecuting those evil, greedy corporations?

A: Ralph Nader and his Socialist Worker's Party cohort.

25 posted on 10/03/2004 10:12:02 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: FairOpinion
"One nationally recognized conservative figure who wants to remain anonymous said last week that he believes the illegal immigration issue represents a threat to Bush's chances of re-election. "The unrest is widespread amongst conservatives," said the man, who served as a campaign consultant on Ronald Reagan's 1976 and 1980 presidential campaigns. "

Buchanan wants to remain anonymous because everyone knows what he is and where he's coming from. That's why he set up Tancredo to be his media outlet.
Others should learn from Buchanan's example of what opinion the public has of people who spout hatred.

26 posted on 10/03/2004 10:12:20 PM PDT by bayourod (Even security moms should now know that you can't lead while waffling and calling Iraq the wrong war)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

And Kerry would be better??? Very suspect group!


27 posted on 10/03/2004 10:13:38 PM PDT by Hardshell
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To: Cultural Jihad

Totally, totally agree. Looks like Soros & the Dems are exploiting a hot-button issue and trying to Tokyo Rose conservatives into staying home or voting for the CP.


28 posted on 10/03/2004 10:13:59 PM PDT by ServesURight (Tim Michels for U.S. Senate Wisconsin)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
Good idea. We can start with the Stormfront crypto-Nazis and other white nationalists.
29 posted on 10/03/2004 10:14:06 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: rmmcdaniell

You are correct. Unfortunately, there are other factors in play.

Senator Orrin Hatch managed to attach his DREAM Act giving reduced tuition to illegals to a critical but unrelated bill, thus avoiding a floor vote.

Senator Craig's AGJOBS bill, which would result in eventual amnesty for up to 3 million illegals (and an effective pardon for their employers for all past transgressions) is headed the same way.

I received an email from NumbersUSA earlier today saying that the White House is pressuring the House of Representatives to remove language from the new 9/11 legislation that would make illegal immigration more difficult. At the time the email was sent, the House Republican leadership was standing firmly against the changes wanted by the White House.


30 posted on 10/03/2004 10:14:25 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: faithincowboys
This is clearly the Left doing this."""

When I read the headline, I thought the same thing. Then, I saw Ron Prince's name. He's no leftist. He came up with Proposition 187, the anti-illegal resolution on the California ballot back in the 1990s. It was big news, don't you remember? Definitely not a project of "the Left"

31 posted on 10/03/2004 10:15:25 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: JackelopeBreeder

I would love to reply to this post as a conservative, but then I would be branded a 'troll' and nuked.

Sigh. (Longing for the days when conservative meant conservative and not republican).


32 posted on 10/03/2004 10:19:55 PM PDT by sarah_f (Until a nation has embraced Islam, it is legally considered a battlefield [Dar-ul-Harb].)
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To: rmmcdaniell
Your post #8 really nailed it. After this election I am NOT putting my resources and my votes behind the RINO party. In 2008 the RINOs will come from under their rocks and try to scare conservatives into voting for Jeb Bush or Guiliani (or the Constitution will be amended for Arnold to run) or else Hillary will be elected, they'll say. And FReepers will chime in, saying that "THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN HISTORY" (Notice that every election is the most important election or else the Dem will win)

Bush's border policies absolutely stink to high heaven. My biggest fear is that after the election he'll resume with his AMNESTY plan without fear since he won't have to worry about reelection again.

33 posted on 10/03/2004 10:21:37 PM PDT by No-Compromise Conservative
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To: JackelopeBreeder

Sure Bush has better polices than Kerry, but what difference would it make since those policies will be in gridlock caused by the open border?

The Republican Party of today is in complete opposition to the Republican Party of old formed during the conflict of slavery.

As a reminder; before the civil war wealthy business owners tried to push slavery on the country, which prompted Radical republicans to favor immediate eradication of an institution, they viewed as iniquitous. President Bush’s plan for amnesty and continuation of the present situation of a low paid workforce is in complete opposition to those Radical members of the first Republican Party, whom in the end were proven right.

A strong president would take a stand against business operations who use an illegal immigrant work force. If these businesses cannot make a profit without being subsidized by tax payer social funded programs, such as energy, health, education, roads and water projects needed to support the massive population growth, then they should cease to exist.

This is a capitalist country that is the way it works, if businesses cannot pay their own bills they need to close, we are not supposed to be funding socialist work projects with taxpayer funds to make up the difference.

The modern day equivalent plantation owners who are the backers of these candidates do not have the moral clarity to understand, nor will they change their ways unless threatened by Radical members of the Republican Party in the same manner as was done before the civil war.

The Republican party in 1861 was a coalition of disparate elements. Formed only 7 years earlier, it contained men who had been Whigs, Anti-Slavery Democrats, Free-Soilers, Know-Nothings, and Abolitionists. By the outbreak of the war, these fragments had coalesced into 3 basic factions: conservatives, moderates, and radicals. President Abraham Lincoln's task was to mold these factions into a government that could win the war without destroying the South politically and economically.

The most aggressive and, eventually, most influential of the three was the Radical Republican faction. All Republicans were against slavery, but this group was the most "radical", in its opposition to the "peculiar institution." While conservatives favored gradual emancipation combined with colonization of Freedmen, and while moderates favored emancipation but with reservations, Radicals favored immediate eradication of an institution they viewed as iniquitous, and saw the war as a crusade for "Abolition."

http://www.civilwarhome.com/republicans.htm


34 posted on 10/03/2004 10:22:46 PM PDT by seastay
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To: rmmcdaniell
Assuming what you say is true....do you want a bullet in the next few years or are you willing to wait 8 -10 years for one. Me, I'll dodge the immediate bullet, vote for Bush, and address the pressing issues of security and cultural warfare. Better to keep my powder dry for the next round of congressional elections.

After this election, there will be a host of issues to come into prominence, immigration is first on the list.

Make no mistake, a Kerry win is a win for a global far left / fascistic group controlled by folks like Soros who have serious plans for this country, none of them good.

As long as you're free and alive, you can plan and react, and effect an outcome in your favor. With Kerry in office, none of us may be around in 2008.

Think real hard in that voting booth.
35 posted on 10/03/2004 10:22:48 PM PDT by Dat Mon (clever tagline under construction)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
The many benefits of run away immigration:


36 posted on 10/03/2004 10:23:52 PM PDT by The Bandit
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To: JackelopeBreeder
We're damned if we do, damned if we don't. Kerry would surrender our sovereignty to the tran-Atlantic elite. But if Bush killed every crazy Muslim on earth tomorrow, he;d still lose the war at home.

This is a truly frightening. The days we're living in right now read straight from the fall of Rome and the days that burned towards our Civil War. One hopes that somebody give =s bush a copy of Gibbon or James McPherson.
37 posted on 10/03/2004 10:25:41 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: COEXERJ145
This is just as stupid as the people who won't vote, or vote third party, over the abortion issue even though the Republican running is 99% pro-life but not the required 100% for the single issue voters.

I think folks that don't want to see the USA abolished in favor a merged state with Mexico would take a lot less than 100 percent on this issue. Unfortunately Bush is coming in at about 5 percent.

38 posted on 10/03/2004 10:26:58 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Prevent the next 9-11. Stop Islamic immigration and deport Muslim aliens.)
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To: bayourod

Even if it is Buchanan or Tancredo is behind this (which you offer zero proof), it still doesn't explain why Bush, who promised to "protect this country from threats," has practically rolled out the red carpet along the Rio Grande for illegal aliens to stream through and committ the crimes that American citizens won't committ.


39 posted on 10/03/2004 10:27:52 PM PDT by No-Compromise Conservative
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To: JackelopeBreeder

This is an outrage. With all that is at stake in this election, these people are encouraging voters to oust the President? Are they insane? What kind of country do they think they will get with Kerry as President?


40 posted on 10/03/2004 10:28:09 PM PDT by ladyinred ("John Kerry reporting for spitball and typewriter duty.")
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To: The Bandit
Did you pull that talking point off of the anti-producer and anti-consumer and anti-capitalist Sierra Club website?!
41 posted on 10/03/2004 10:28:39 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: No-Compromise Conservative
Modern medicine can help sufferers of such delusions and paranoia.
42 posted on 10/03/2004 10:30:36 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: WOSG
Read the Democrat platform THEY ARE FOR 100% AMNESTY!!!!

So is Bush and he WILL get his way, as he has proven many times before with his hold on the republican leadership in congress.

The best bet is a crippled, gridlocked Kerry dealing with a republican congress. If Bush loses, the GOP will know why and vote in the interest of their self-preservation, which means conservative (a no brainer given how far left Bush has taken the party), especially on this issue.

43 posted on 10/03/2004 10:30:47 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: rmmcdaniell

With all due respect, if John Kerry followed by Hillary Clinton is elected, none of you will have a country left to complain about anymore. Perhaps some do not really grasp what we are up against here with these ultra leftists. Borders won't matter much if these anti American socialists are in charge. Good grief!


44 posted on 10/03/2004 10:33:08 PM PDT by ladyinred ("John Kerry reporting for spitball and typewriter duty.")
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To: Noachian
After the election is over is the time to work on immigration through both the Legislature and the courts.

Why do we wait until after another election is over? Shouldn't a candidate put his agenda and platform up front, before any election?

Millions have been pouring over our borders since Bush's Dad was in office. He did nothing. After four years of President Bush being in office, they are now estimating that 3 million a year are now flooding in the country.

That's the equivalent of 3 *major* cities a year of illegal aliens into our country. What could possible be a larger domestic/security issue than this? My friends, this has gone far beyond the need for dishwashers and lawn mowers. This is completely out of control, and tumbling down range.

With upwards of 15 million already in country, and 3 million more a year, do the numbers for the next ten years. It's beyond belief.

45 posted on 10/03/2004 10:34:36 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: WRhine
"Are there contradictions in our Worker's Paradise oppressing workers? Yes, but those contradictions are a good thing, since they will ensure that there will be a glorious dialectical materialist leap to a golden future utopia!"

46 posted on 10/03/2004 10:34:41 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: seastay
This is a capitalist country that is the way it works, if businesses cannot pay their own bills they need to close, we are not supposed to be funding socialist work projects with taxpayer funds to make up the difference.

I think you nailed it there. To the "Republican" open borders crowd, it's all about "Privatizing profits; socializing costs."

Here's hoping that through some miracle you're not one of the taxpayers bearing the costs. I sure wish I wasn't.

47 posted on 10/03/2004 10:34:48 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: WRhine

I hear that the "You have nowhere else to go" paragraph only appears in the English-language part of the Bush-Cheney 2004 website.


48 posted on 10/03/2004 10:35:50 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Prevent the next 9-11. Stop Islamic immigration and deport Muslim aliens.)
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To: No-Compromise Conservative
"Bush,... has practically rolled out the red carpet along the Rio Grande for illegal aliens... "

Factually wrong. Since 9/11 security on the southern border has been immensely increased.

But let's just test your knowledge of the subject. Border security is typically measured by agents per mile of border. For example we have an average of one agent for every five miles on the Canadian border. What in your opinion should be the ratio for the Mexican border? Or do you just ignorantly attack President Bush?

49 posted on 10/03/2004 10:36:15 PM PDT by bayourod (Even security moms should now know that you can't lead while waffling and calling Iraq the wrong war)
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To: WOSG

Well put.


50 posted on 10/03/2004 10:37:13 PM PDT by TOUGH STOUGH
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