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Conservative group targets Bush over immigration
North County Times ^ | 2 October 2004 | William Finn Bennett

Posted on 10/03/2004 9:47:51 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder

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To: JackelopeBreeder

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201 posted on 10/04/2004 3:43:40 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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To: JackelopeBreeder

Do you believe illegal immigration should be one of the principal issues discussed by President Bush and Sen. Kerry?
Yes 89% 3643 votes

No 11% 455 votes

Total: 4098 votes

www.cnn.com/lou


202 posted on 10/04/2004 5:11:46 PM PDT by AuntB ("Go count your blessings, and then complain to me"...MY Grandma!)
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To: AuntB
Do you believe illegal immigration should be one of the principal issues discussed by President Bush and Sen. Kerry?

Yes 89% 3643 votes

No 11% 455 votes

Total: 4098 votes

www.cnn.com/lou

This is where WE lose it...Bush knows these numbers more than we do...If he were to go against illegal immigration, he would win with a landslide...It's a major issue with Democrats also...

But for some reason, George is willing to risk the election on this issue...Keeping the borders open is more important to him than winning the election...Could it be the President is not the top dog in our governmental structure???

203 posted on 10/04/2004 5:43:42 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Fishrrman
Eventually, Atzlan will come to be. I'm of the mind that by the time its reality looms, Anglo-Americans will not fight to retain it in the Union. If anything, white America will be _relieved_ to let Atzlanians have their "freedom"....

You think the rats will let those electoral votes get away?? Har Har.

204 posted on 10/04/2004 5:55:47 PM PDT by rmmcdaniell
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To: Mr. Mojo

..." Do they think that Kerry would be better on this issue? Odds are he'd be even worse (if that's possible)"...

I remember him saying he would give citizenship to everyone that's been here longer than a year.

In his first 30 days.

I have the sinking feeling we're being manipulated on this issue by both sides. Neither one intends to do anything revolutionary....it might provoke a response. We keep screaming about being sold out. Heh. They've sold us, and already spent the proceeds.

I'm going to go stand in line for bread now. Good news, though....I'll be the first in line.


205 posted on 10/04/2004 6:42:44 PM PDT by 1_Inch_Group
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To: Ron H.

..."More and more traditional tax paying citizens are starting to connect the dots between this issue and their out of control property taxes that is on the verge of driving them into the poor house and jeopardizing their and their children's future."...


Had this exact conversation this weekend. My property is worth around 250K. The person I was having the conversation with...their property is worth over 500K. Apples and apples comparison, both are condos.

I live in an area with massive overcrowding, all of which is Hispanic and Asian. They voted in 8 new school bonds last time. My "friend" lives in an affluent neighborhood where people plan their lives instead of just letting them happen.
She doesn't remember any new supplemental taxes added this year at her house.

My property tax for six months is now $1600. Hers (which she was complaining about).....is $1800.

I'd rather pay three bucks for a lettuce.


206 posted on 10/04/2004 7:02:59 PM PDT by 1_Inch_Group
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To: WRhine
What A surprise...NOT! I've heard this for many years now, especially in the last 4 and Bush, I suspect, has a big surprise in store for him. He's gone so far left as to make the democrat alternative no longer a scary threat. This is no small feat.

Triple BUMP

That bears repeating.

"He's gone so far to the left as to make the Democrat alternative no longer a scary threat."

"He's gone so far to the left as to make the Democrat alternative no longer a scary threat."

"He's gone so far to the left as to make the Democrat alternative no longer a scary threat."

207 posted on 10/04/2004 7:14:15 PM PDT by MegaSilver
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To: Cultural Jihad
My, my. The real issue has nothing to do with illegal (or legal) immigration, but with racial demographics, eh? Supposedly, the Azatlan types can recruit and calumniate by using Stormfront's graphics, too.

Well, as we all know, Europeans are the only ones capable of racism. < /sarcasm>

208 posted on 10/04/2004 7:16:46 PM PDT by MegaSilver
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To: AWestCoaster
I detest liberals and Kerry, and will vote for Bush...the lesser of two evils.

I don't blame you, but I can't vote for the "lesser of two evils."

Both candidates are pursuing policies that are taking us on a collision course. Within fifteen years, this train will have been completely wrecked. Michael Anthony Peroutka, for all his flaws, is the one candidate whose platform opposes these destructive policies, and for that, he will get my vote.

But that's me.

209 posted on 10/04/2004 7:21:07 PM PDT by MegaSilver
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To: MegaSilver
Perhaps you should . . . moveon . . . and squat on someone else's server whose goals you can agree with. Oh, I forgot that freeloaderism is an UberKonservative principle.
210 posted on 10/04/2004 7:25:43 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
Perhaps you should . . . moveon . . . and squat on someone else's server whose goals you can agree with. Oh, I forgot that freeloaderism is an UberKonservative principle.

Free Republic is an online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America.

To say that I do not agree with those goals is to assume the false premise that one must back Bush in order to have such goals in sight.

My belief is that Bush's brand of "conservatism" will discredit the right if it is pushed any further.

211 posted on 10/04/2004 7:36:16 PM PDT by MegaSilver
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To: FITZ
then voting third party to send a message is one thing -- but if it's a close election it's another thing.

Depends what state you live in.

212 posted on 10/04/2004 7:38:46 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: MegaSilver

The owner of the forum you are squatting on has stated time and again his goal of seeing President Bush re-elected. Perhaps you should . . . moveon.


213 posted on 10/04/2004 7:42:57 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: JackelopeBreeder
I for one am proud to be on your ping list.

GWB is terrible on this issue. Kerry is worst. But I don't think I could keep my sanity for four years of Teresa Heinez Kerry in the White House. Though maybe her globalist behavior will make everyone sick to their stomachs and demand action to stop this march to globalism.

If anyone on this forum is not going to vote for GWB, vote 3rd Party before voting for Kerry. Them rats will spin it and say that you support their policies.

214 posted on 10/04/2004 8:07:52 PM PDT by Missouri
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To: Missouri

"Slavery is freedom!"

215 posted on 10/04/2004 9:06:21 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Missouri
If anyone on this forum is not going to vote for GWB, vote 3rd Party before voting for Kerry. Them rats will spin it and say that you support their policies.

I'm beginning to think a vote for either major candidate is a ticket to the train that's on a collision course with a nice ridge.

216 posted on 10/04/2004 9:16:27 PM PDT by MegaSilver
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To: Travis McGee
I agree McGee!!!!!!!!!!!!!


217 posted on 10/04/2004 9:26:37 PM PDT by oioiman
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To: SealSeven
I am forced to vote for Bush since he is the lesser of the two evils but either way, I am still voting for evil.

We are in agreement, we must lessen the evil whenever possible.

218 posted on 10/04/2004 10:18:33 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: WOSG
People are getting sick of voting for "the lessor of two evils".

If this hands it to Kerry, then Bush has nobody to blame but himself. It is a bad positions. A very bad position.

"Hold you nose and pull the lever" is getting tiring.

When you get someone in office who ignores their voter base, and does as they please because they are sure the party faithful will stick with them no matter what - then you begin to have big, big problems.

That's another example of "Be careful what you wish for".

If you want to repeatedly send the message that you can ignore the wishes of the people who put you in office, and still get re-elected - then you start down an even more ominous slop than a Kerry victory in 2004.

If the true Republicans have to take one for the team to make sure that their next candidate doesn't take them for granted the next time around, then it is 4 years of sacrifice well spent.

This stuff isn't easy. It would be easy (and cowardly, IMHO), to go pull the lever for someone that you think is running a treasonous immigration policy, because you are towing the party line.

The lemming mentality is the reason things get to where they do. You get taken for granted. You have been taken for granted. You either let it happen, or you reclaim you vote, and let the "bad" guy win. It all depends on how badly you want politics as usual to continue. "The lessor of two evils" is the cowards arguement, IMHO.

I voted for Bush in 2000 (and I don't really care if you believe me or not).

Screw me once, shame on you, screw me twice, shame on me.

219 posted on 10/05/2004 7:12:48 AM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: Stu Cohen

I am proud and excited to vote for G W Bush.

His leadership after 9/11 on the war on terror has been excellent. taking out the AQ Khan network, defeating the Taliban
and taking out Saddam Hussein, and capturing or killing most of the Al Qaeda leadership was great. we did the right thing - in Afghanistan, in iraq, in Librya, in the whole GWOT. It was about time we declared war on terrorists!

Not just that, but the transformation of the DoD has been excellent, we have a great leader in Rumsfeld.

Bush's leadership in nominating conservative Judges, defending our values, has been suberb. This include defending the unborn, but goes way beyond it. what a change from Clinton!

His passage of the largest tax cuts in 20 years was Reaganesque ... it was the right tax cuts, at the right time, for the right reason. our economy is now booming thanks to the tax cuts.

It's lunacy to talk of the second best President in my lifetime (after Reagan) as a 'lesser' of anything.

Single-issue immigration lunacy, handing the election over to pro-anmesty democrats, will lead you to electoral and cultural oblivion. It's really simple: Most Republicans, including my own Congressman are on the correct side on immigration (he's Lamar Smith). Him and Tancredo and Saxby Chambliss and a host of others are fighting to reform immigration laws and protect our borders ... and their allies are ALL REPUBLICANS.
... WHO DO YOU THINK THEY ARE VOTING FOR AND SUPPORTING STRONGLY? PRESIDENT BUSH!!

It's not difficult to see: You want immigration laws to get fixed so we stop illegal immigration - vote Republican, and hold them to the fire. You want amnesty? Sit on your hands and let the Democrats win. Anyone who defeats Republicans is defeating our only chance to defend our borders and stop illegal immigration. But this is just one of 20 issues that will get worse if Kerry is elected.


220 posted on 10/05/2004 9:26:31 AM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: A CA Guy
Most American latinos don't go for these illegals either.

Your right. A woman in our area who is a legal immigrant from Mexico wrote a scathing letter about damage illegals are doing.

Also, while listening to a talk show about the subject, another legal immigrant farm worker called in. He complained he was having trouble getting work because the illegals were taking the jobs for less.

We need more like them to speak out.

221 posted on 10/05/2004 11:35:54 AM PDT by AWestCoaster
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To: AWestCoaster

Yep, it is a fallacy to believe new citizens and legal residents like to see any of this illegal stuff either.


222 posted on 10/05/2004 11:58:28 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: WOSG
His leadership after 9/11 on the war on terror has been excellent.

WOSG, most of the points you made in your post were excellent and well taken (seriously, you have made me at least reconsider my positions).

However, as "looney" as it sounds, many of us down here along the border DO consider many of the illegal aliens terrorists. We you to add up the murders and other violent crimes that illegal Mexicans committed each year, I think you would find that it eclipses the numbers of 9/11. Year after year.

And I have seen gangs of these illegal invaders (I believe that is the correct term), indeed TERRORIZE entire neighborhoods, including entire police precints. Kids are gunned down, people get caught in the crossfire, to the tune of 600 people in the city limits of LA alone. People witness things, and are PETRIFIED to talk. The cops don't want to cross these, and people end keeping their kids indoors, and conduct themselves as if they are living in a war zone. And this is occuring in neighborhoods RIGHT HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. Not in Iraq. But here, in your country. And GWB is doing not one damn thing about it.

Now, most of us are fortunate that we don't happen to be in these places. I used to live in just such a place, and got out ... but i've seen it up close and real personal.

Terrorists don't all wear towels on their heads. Most of our terrorists don't.

Yes, we do have enough "bad people" who are American Citizens that also commit crime, that we certainly don't need to import them.

And when whole groups of people illegally sneak into the country to commit these horrible crimes, I call them what they are .... Terrorists.

And, therefore, when taken in totality, I personally view the "War on Terrorism" as a complete and utter failure. We've targeted nd neutralized a minority group of Terrorists, while completely ignoring those who cause more harm to the US.

The "war" is spun to Victory, but those of us who know better, know full well that they still walk among us, and guess what .... those guys wearing towels on their head (the ones the media tells us to fear the most), are fully aware of the pourous southern border.

Something to think about before your feeling too victorious.

Again, your other points are very well taken, and I appreciate the food for thought that you provided.

223 posted on 10/05/2004 4:16:35 PM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: WOSG
His leadership after 9/11 on the war on terror has been excellent.

WOSG, most of the points you made in your post were excellent and well taken (seriously, you have made me at least reconsider my positions).

However, as "looney" as it sounds, many of us down here along the border DO consider many of the illegal aliens terrorists. We you to add up the murders and other violent crimes that illegal Mexicans committed each year, I think you would find that it eclipses the numbers of 9/11. Year after year.

And I have seen gangs of these illegal invaders (I believe that is the correct term), indeed TERRORIZE entire neighborhoods, including entire police precints. Kids are gunned down, people get caught in the crossfire, to the tune of 600 people in the city limits of LA alone. People witness things, and are PETRIFIED to talk. The cops don't want to cross these, and people end keeping their kids indoors, and conduct themselves as if they are living in a war zone. And this is occuring in neighborhoods RIGHT HERE IN THE UNITED STATES. Not in Iraq. But here, in your country. And GWB is doing not one damn thing about it.

Now, most of us are fortunate that we don't happen to be in these places. I used to live in just such a place, and got out ... but i've seen it up close and real personal.

Terrorists don't all wear towels on their heads. Most of our terrorists don't.

Yes, we do have enough "bad people" who are American Citizens that also commit crime, that we certainly don't need to import them.

And when whole groups of people illegally sneak into the country to commit these horrible crimes, I call them what they are .... Terrorists.

And, therefore, when taken in totality, I personally view the "War on Terrorism" as a complete and utter failure. We've targeted nd neutralized a minority group of Terrorists, while completely ignoring those who cause more harm to the US.

The "war" is spun to Victory, but those of us who know better, know full well that they still walk among us, and guess what .... those guys wearing towels on their head (the ones the media tells us to fear the most), are fully aware of the pourous southern border.

Something to think about before your feeling too victorious.

Again, your other points are very well taken, and I appreciate the food for thought that you provided.

224 posted on 10/05/2004 4:17:40 PM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: Stu Cohen

you are confusing criminality with terrorism.
I am not disputing your points, yes, illegal immigration and related crimes is a serious problem, but
as Conservatives we should remember that words do mean things, and if we redefine terrorism do be something other than what it is, we lose its meaning.
Lettuce pickers coming across to make a higher wage are not terrorists. Even car-jackers and thiefs are not terrorists.
And comparing numbers is a bit apples v oranges . More people are killed by drowning in swimming pools than by terrorists ... but that doesnt make swimming pools a greater threat than Al Qaeda.

Things wrt immigration can and should be addressed at state, local and Congressional level. It doesnt all fall in the President's lap, and surely you understand that this problem existed *well before* Bush became President. I dont expect it is Bush's job to do what the police should do in keeping neighborhoods safe, and if you want to fix LA, ask their police chief why *THEY REFUSE* to cooperate in any way with the INS and *THEY* refuse to enforce any sort of immigration laws. They won't even *ask* that question of people in custody! That's *THEIR* fault, not anyone elses, and we could be deporting criminals left and right if *THEY* changed in LA. (Certainly President Kerry wont change that policy.)


225 posted on 10/05/2004 4:30:22 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: flashbunny

"what a bunch of idiots. Have bush lose, make things worse."

Depends on whose ox is getting gored. If you are on the border, yours is.

If you are a one-issue voter, and immigration is your one issue, then Bush is the worst presidential candidate. Unions will pressure a dem president to limit immigration. There is no limit under republican rule that we can see.

I'm holding my nose and voting for Bush, and this is one of the main reasons why.


226 posted on 10/05/2004 4:37:55 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: WOSG
And comparing numbers is a bit apples v oranges . More people are killed by drowning in swimming pools than by terrorists ... but that doesnt make swimming pools a greater threat than Al Qaeda.

Agree. Inanimate objects cannot be swimming pools. Accidents are not acts of terrorism.

Premeditated acts of violence by non-american humans, against americans humans, would fit MY definition of terrorism. Remember, the word means different things to different people.

The "innocent lettuce picker" arguement is only as good as the "most islamists aren't terrorist" arguement. The question is, do enough of them threaten the U.S. to become a legitimate target of US anti-terrism attention.

As far as asking the police to do the job, that is rather difficult when the numbers of people coming across the border dwarf the number of police, when such people are awarded amnesty or "guest worker" status.

You can make the arguement that it is the job of the border patrol and local municipalities, but when you have a president that is actively working against those goals, and all but garenteeing to make the numbers larger - it is a rather unreasonable task to request.

The President must lead by example. Not promise amnesty, then shift the blame to a 5,000 person police force to stop the flow of millions he has practically invited.

No, I would have to say that the President dropped the ball on this one all by himself. He needs to support the border patrol 100%, and absolutely and positively refuse to give out rewards for those who knowingly break our immigration laws.

If that doesn't happen, localities don't even have a shot.

227 posted on 10/05/2004 4:56:43 PM PDT by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English)
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To: WOSG; All

The Republican whip was on Lou Dobbs. Looks like the republican congress is going to fight Bush on this illegal issue after Bush insisted any document safeguards be dropped, ie. licenses, etc from the house bills. They do listen when people complain loud enough.


228 posted on 10/05/2004 5:33:10 PM PDT by AuntB ("Go count your blessings, and then complain to me"...MY Grandma!)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
because they haven't gotten 110% of what they wanted

I'm sorry but actually I can't even see 10% of what the socials may have wanted and received from this administration. Can you? I have finally come to the conclusion that President Bush is wearing his Christianity on his shirt sleeve just to pander to the Christian right! Many on the right have been duped once again by a double dealing politician presenting himself in sheep's clothing IMO.

Be careful what you wish for.

What I wish for is a man who will work for the (lawful) American people and the Constitution, that's right, legal American citizens I said, not the hordes of unworthy tax-dollar sucking illegal aliens that are invading our country at President Bush's personal invitation and their slave-wage masters and no-border proponents in America.

I see my single-issue as or more important as you see your single-issue! Actually I have more than just one issue with Bush at this point. If Bush was really serious about the WoT he would not be putting Americans in harms way through our wide open borders!

229 posted on 10/05/2004 11:32:35 PM PDT by Ron H. (Isn't taxation w/o representation illegal? Why then am I being forced to support illegal aliens?!)
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