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Conservative group targets Bush over immigration
North County Times ^ | 2 October 2004 | William Finn Bennett

Posted on 10/03/2004 9:47:51 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder

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To: sarah_f
(Longing for the days when conservative meant conservative and not republican)

You read my mind.

51 posted on 10/03/2004 10:37:59 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: ladyinred
What kind of country do they think they will get with Kerry as President?

I think if this issue was different --- and Bush wasn't catering to Vicente Fox's every demands, that Bush would be looking at huge landslides in this election. Most people are much more satisfied and secure with Bush's stance on terrorism than they are with Kerry. This shouldn't be even a close election --- Kerry really has little going for him, not even a hint of charm or personality. If Bush loses the election, it will be on this one issue --- and it's too bad that he can't see that.

52 posted on 10/03/2004 10:40:08 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: The Bandit

Wow, look at all that economic activity.


53 posted on 10/03/2004 10:41:43 PM PDT by mhx
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To: WOSG

Conservative-vote-against-flood-of=illegal-immigration bump

Bush can easily switch policies to match majority of citizens desires, or he can tear up the Republican party. His choice.

Hoppy


54 posted on 10/03/2004 10:43:20 PM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: No-Compromise Conservative
- and ordered the Border Patrol not to aprehend illegals inland because it offended illegal aliens.

- and has delegated residency documentation authority to Mexican diplomatic officers, allowing them to issue unlimited numbers of "Matricula" ID cards to illegals.

55 posted on 10/03/2004 10:44:22 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Prevent the next 9-11. Stop Islamic immigration and deport Muslim aliens.)
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To: dagnabbit
I hear that the "You have nowhere else to go" paragraph only appears in the English-language part of the Bush-Cheney 2004 website.

What A surprise...NOT! I've heard this for many years now, especially in the last 4 and Bush, I suspect, has a big surprise in store for him. He's gone so far left as to make the democrat alternative no longer a scary threat. This is no small feat.

56 posted on 10/03/2004 10:47:26 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: bayourod
"Factually wrong. Since 9/11 security on the southern border has been immensely increased."

As matter of interest, what state do you live in?
57 posted on 10/03/2004 10:47:39 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: montag813
IDIOTS to be doing this to the Prez at this crucial hour.

I understand your position.

But what about us? What about our country?

The equivilant of 3 major cities a year of illegal aliens are now pouring into our country. Besides amnesty, does President Bush have an immediate plan to deal with this after the election?

Will we be told again in four years to wait until after the election is over?

58 posted on 10/03/2004 10:48:35 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: bayourod
I see you pinged your official list of fellow anti-Bush freepers. How do the members of your group feel about being publicly outed?

How do you feel about being outed as an illegal immigration cheerleader?

59 posted on 10/03/2004 10:48:53 PM PDT by usadave
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To: FITZ
"If Bush loses the election, it will be on this one issue --- and it's too bad that he can't see that. "

You had your referendum in the Kolbe primary last month and you lost two to one. The vast majority of conservatives aren't fooled by the Buchanan/Tancredo hate propaganda.

60 posted on 10/03/2004 10:48:53 PM PDT by bayourod (Even security moms should now know that you can't lead while waffling and calling Iraq the wrong war)
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To: mhx
LOL! No, it's the begetting, and crowding, and polluting, and the unfettered consuming of natural resources, and the pursuing of happiness which is an outrage! Not that they have brown faces!
61 posted on 10/03/2004 10:49:06 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: dagnabbit
- and ordered the Border Patrol not to aprehend illegals inland because it offended illegal aliens.
- and has delegated residency documentation authority to Mexican diplomatic officers, allowing them to issue unlimited numbers of "Matricula" ID cards to illegals.

During this time of terrorist threats? An American President?? I hope some of the apologists can explain this.

62 posted on 10/03/2004 10:50:58 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Cultural Jihad
We can start with the Stormfront crypto-Nazis and other white nationalists.

Do you realize that accusing everyone concerned about massive runaway immigration and the huge costs associated with it on the taxpayers -- not to mention loss of our sovreignty and all the rest of just being Nazis isn't at all helpful to the cause --- trying to get Bush elected so that Kerry isn't in the White House. It's actually a serious issue that anyone living in areas of high immigration can actually see --- and it really doesn't matter their ethnic heritage when they are faced with skyrocketing property taxes and high crime rates.

A poor quality candidate like Kerry shouldn't even be giving Bush a run for his money --- Bush is pretty much fine on most of the issues as far as Conservatives go --- he should be winning by a landslide but apparently that might not be the case. I can't tell by what I see first hand.

63 posted on 10/03/2004 10:51:34 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: The Bandit

Can't wait until all those pesky open spaces are gone and we can finally share in the economic activity and progress enjoyed now by the lucky residents of Calcutta, Manila, and Mexico City.


64 posted on 10/03/2004 10:52:36 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Prevent the next 9-11. Stop Islamic immigration and deport Muslim aliens.)
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To: bayourod

Of course you are speaking from the position of someone who has actually bragged on here about hiring illegals yourself. Anyone who hires illegals is after a quick dime for themselves and to hell with the taxpayers who have to pay for all the needed services. It's all about money and fast profits for a few.


65 posted on 10/03/2004 10:53:36 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ

People going against voting for Bush on this one issue is retarded though.

Yep, it's a huge issue, but putting Kerry in would not make it better.

Voting a lame vote like libertarian would enable Democrats.

Nope, that bill of goods needs to be sold at DU this election, not here.


66 posted on 10/03/2004 10:54:20 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: FITZ
"someone who has actually bragged on here about hiring illegals yourself. "

Link?

67 posted on 10/03/2004 10:55:21 PM PDT by bayourod (Even security moms should now know that you can't lead while waffling and calling Iraq the wrong war)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Why do we wait until after another election is over? Shouldn't a candidate put his agenda and platform up front, before any election?

Yes they are, but that's not the way it works in the real world.

If there's a squabble about immigration before the election Kerry may get enough votes to win, and then he'd make things worse. The Dems would love to get more Mexicans here to put on the welfare roles, and vote Democratic. Kerry would most likely open the border up more than it is now.

We all know Bush's position on immigration. He has a "thing" going with Mexico's President Fox, and the best way to stop immigration is after the election. Kerry would only make things worse.

68 posted on 10/03/2004 10:56:43 PM PDT by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: A CA Guy

I know. But when certain types --- including those who we know actually have lined their own pockets by breaking laws to hire illegals come along and start their taunts, it doesn't help get Bush elected. There needs to be some serious discussion about the effects of voting third party or not -- and some honesty about if this will be a close election or the predicted landslide for Bush. In a landslide for Bush it's one thing to vote for the third party guy -- but if it's closer than we're being told --- then it might be something to reconsider.


69 posted on 10/03/2004 10:57:31 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Cultural Jihad
LOL! No, it's the begetting, and crowding, and polluting, and the unfettered consuming of natural resources, and the pursuing of happiness which is an outrage! Not that they have brown faces!

No, it's not because they have "brown faces"! It's the fact that so many of these people with "brown faces" are in the United States illegally!

70 posted on 10/03/2004 10:58:11 PM PDT by usadave
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Why do we wait until after another election is over? Shouldn't a candidate put his agenda and platform up front, before any election?

No, Joe. That would entail honesty, integrity and courage. The 3 things missing in today's republican leadership. Their mantra is "we will fix it AFTER the election". AFTER you vote us in AGAIN. All their credibility is gone. Like you said--Things have to change NOW.

71 posted on 10/03/2004 10:58:11 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: JackelopeBreeder

bump


72 posted on 10/03/2004 10:58:34 PM PDT by SweetCaroline
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To: bayourod

You know darned well that you have knowingly hired illegals --- I don't remember the thread but I did read it --- it's one of those things one obviously tucks away in their mind --- there are others too -- and once you know someone gains financially from breaking the law, you know where they're coming from.


73 posted on 10/03/2004 11:01:25 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
But when certain types --- including those who we know actually have lined their own pockets by breaking laws to hire illegals come along and start their taunts, it doesn't help get Bush elected.

To FReepers like bayourod, speaking out against illegal immigration has everything to do with race and nothing to do with the law.

74 posted on 10/03/2004 11:02:08 PM PDT by usadave
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To: FITZ
A poor quality candidate like Kerry shouldn't even be giving Bush a run for his money --- Bush is pretty much fine on most of the issues as far as Conservatives go --- he should be winning by a landslide but apparently that might not be the case. I can't tell by what I see first hand.

Not sure what you are implying here, but perhaps the reason it appears there is no landslide, which indeed there should be is the fact that the dems have been waging a full court press attack on this man for the past 3+ years accusing him of everything evil known to man without much chance for rebuttal.

75 posted on 10/03/2004 11:03:12 PM PDT by ladyinred ("John Kerry reporting for spitball and typewriter duty.")
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To: usadave

When you employ illegals, you're thinking more about what's going to get you quick profits and you aren't likely to mind at all that Socialized medicine is just around the corner --- just so you don't have to pay decent wages or offer insurance group plans.


76 posted on 10/03/2004 11:04:41 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
"--- I don't remember the thread but I did read it "

No you didn't. I'm still waiting for the link.

The anti-Bush thirds party Buchanan/Tancredo are getting as desperate as the Kerry/Hollywood?Old Media crowd and will not hesitate to lie and deceive to defeat President Bush.

77 posted on 10/03/2004 11:07:20 PM PDT by bayourod (Even security moms should now know that you can't lead while waffling and calling Iraq the wrong war)
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To: WOSG

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78 posted on 10/03/2004 11:08:43 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: FITZ

This exchange with Sabertooth makes a good starting point.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1167045/posts?page=42#42

I could add a few others, but what's the use? Anything that privatizes profits and socializes costs is good.


79 posted on 10/03/2004 11:10:20 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: ladyinred

I'm implying that this is the one big issue that divides Conservatives and Republicans --- someone obviously benefits by massive levels of immigration but the average Conservative isn't benefitting by it. I don't know if it's a landslide for Bush or a close election --- I've read both predictions. If it's close --- with a guy like Kerry (loser)--- I think some things were done wrong.


80 posted on 10/03/2004 11:10:51 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Cultural Jihad
The many benefits of run away immigration: Did you pull that talking point off of the anti-producer and anti-consumer and anti-capitalist Sierra Club website?!
No, I pulled it from my own first-hand experience with wreckless immigration.
81 posted on 10/03/2004 11:10:52 PM PDT by The Bandit
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To: bayourod

Now you're claiming you don't hire illegals?


82 posted on 10/03/2004 11:11:34 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: usadave
Excellent point. The Stormfront types never whine about illegal Irish or Swedish or Canadian immigrants.
83 posted on 10/03/2004 11:12:05 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: JackelopeBreeder; bayourod

Thanks --- I guess "currently" isn't employing them. It's just so hard to keep good help when you're paying people ridiculously low wages and no benefits.


84 posted on 10/03/2004 11:14:57 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ

I thought you'd like that. Even the illegals don't like working for Master LeGree.


85 posted on 10/03/2004 11:17:03 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: FITZ
When you employ illegals, you're thinking more about what's going to get you quick profits

The problem here is that there aren't any quick profits. Business owners employ illegals because other business owners are employing them and undercutting them on price. To match that price, they need to employ illegals as well.

There's no magic here. If we're going to control the illegal immigration problem, we need to level the playing field by putting business owners in jail. Forget monetary penalties. Give them six months at the local pen. That should make them sit up and pay attention.

With regard to illegals, the INS has been cracking down. People I know have said that buses have been boarded by INS officers and people without proof of legal residency have been hauled away by la migra. A couple who posted bail of $20K said that other people in jail with them had been taken from various locations, while traveling on Greyhound or chartered buses. This is a recent phenomenon, and has not happened in the past. The INS is finally starting to get serious about enforcement.
86 posted on 10/03/2004 11:17:03 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: FITZ

Link?


87 posted on 10/03/2004 11:17:03 PM PDT by bayourod (Even security moms should now know that you can't lead while waffling and calling Iraq the wrong war)
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To: FITZ

I thought you'd like that. Even the illegals don't like working for Master LeGree.


88 posted on 10/03/2004 11:17:38 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a mean-spirited and divisive loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: ladyinred
Not sure what you are implying here, but perhaps the reason it appears there is no landslide, which indeed there should be is the fact that the dems have been waging a full court press attack on this man for the past 3+ years accusing him of everything evil known to man without much chance for rebuttal.

LOL. Only a partisan hack can think in these terms. It's been an unrelenting bipartisan mud fight for at least 12 years on both sides. I was more than happy to sling mud at Clinton for years on FR but it is disingenuous to say that the republicans haven't done the same to the democrat nominees.

You know I just LOVE being an Independent Conservative these days. My vote is now up for sale to the highest bidder. If you are truly conservative...free your mind to all possibilities.

89 posted on 10/03/2004 11:19:45 PM PDT by WRhine
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To: ladyinred

There should be a landslide -- the democrats should have been destroyed after the best they could do was Clinton, then Gore --- and the last presidential election saw the White House, the Congress, and the Senate get Republican wins and majorities. Also the majority of governors winning were Republicans in that election. This might be --- I can't tell --- but it should be a landslide for Bush.


90 posted on 10/03/2004 11:19:59 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: c-b 1

" If we don't like Bush's border policys, we will HATE sKerry's."

The outcome will be the same. It'll just take a little longer under Bush. I am forced to vote for Bush since he is the lesser of the two evils but either way, I am still voting for evil.


91 posted on 10/03/2004 11:20:16 PM PDT by SealSeven
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To: bayourod

It was given in post #79.


92 posted on 10/03/2004 11:21:28 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: bayourod

" How do the members of your group feel about being publicly outed?"

Get over it, Bayourod-
Im not anti-Bush- Im anti illegal alien - Comprende?


93 posted on 10/03/2004 11:21:59 PM PDT by SealSeven
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To: Zhang Fei
Business owners are more often than not retirees and small investors, while "monetary penalties" levied by the government just get passed onto consumers in higher prices for the goods and services they produce.
94 posted on 10/03/2004 11:22:21 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad

Being from CA CJ, I can tell you that they are not the issue at least in my state. It's probably a 94% Mexican problem, so checking out Mexicans that look out of place would be the way to catch a vast majority.


95 posted on 10/03/2004 11:22:23 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: FITZ

Third party voting is a vote for Democrats in actuality. Unless you can talk Democrats into voting third party of course.


96 posted on 10/03/2004 11:24:00 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Great idea! The charge? Walking while brown.
97 posted on 10/03/2004 11:24:38 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Zhang Fei

There are a couple of democrat Congressmen in Texas now jumping on this issue of the border. Well --- Silvestre Reyes has been on the issue a number of times previously and it's the one issue that got him to Congress in the first place even though he almost always shuts up and does whatever his democrat bosses tell him he must do.

http://www.usbc.org/info/2004/sept/turnerproposal.htm

Texas Congressmen propose $1 billion program to secure border

September 11, 2004

One billion dollars. That’s what two Texas congressmen estimate it will cost to establish an infrastructure investment fund specifically aimed at closing security gaps and bolstering the economy along the 2,000-mile U.S.-Mexico border.

The two, Rep. Jim Turner, D-Crockett, and Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-El Paso, said they would introduce legislation in Congress to transform the southern border.

Turner, a ranking member of the Select Committee on Homeland Security, said the legislation would take “bold action to ensure that we enhance security without hindering commerce.” The proposal comes after a six-month investigation of the U.S.-Mexico border, which Turner described as porous and susceptible to terrorist infiltration.


98 posted on 10/03/2004 11:26:04 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Cultural Jihad
Excellent point. The Stormfront types never whine about illegal Irish or Swedish or Canadian immigrants.

Well, when you're comparing 10+ million Mexican illegal aliens with a combined number of Irish, Swedish, and Canadian illegal aliens that probably totals in the tens of thousands, who do you think Americans are going to complain about most?

99 posted on 10/03/2004 11:27:33 PM PDT by usadave
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To: A CA Guy
Third party voting is a vote for Democrats in actuality.

Yes --- and it's a democrat like Kerry --- we need to really think about the consequences of voting third party. If Bush is facing a landslide anyhow -- then voting third party to send a message is one thing -- but if it's a close election it's another thing.

100 posted on 10/03/2004 11:28:37 PM PDT by FITZ
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