Skip to comments.A ten minute video presentation: Is It A Sin To Vote For Pro-Abortion Candidates?
Posted on 10/03/2004 10:21:55 PM PDT by cpforlife.org
Patrick Madrid, a Catholic apologist does an excellent job using scripture to explain why ALL Christians are called to vote in defense of lifeand why it IS INDEED a sin to vote for pro-abortion politicians.
I believe our Protestant brethren will agree with this presentation as well.
The video file is 10 Megs and 10 minutes long. IMOit is excellent and I recommend it be forwarded to as many as possible, especially fence sitters.
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I will watch the video.
I believe abortion is what grieves God the most of all the sins we commit as a nation.......just my opinion...funny isn't it that the left protest the war, but they think nothing of sticking a sharp object into the base of the skull, of a defenseless baby. There is alot of irony in it. W is making the attempt to help the defenseless babies, I know God will honer that....as for voting for a pro-abortionist.....I guess that is up to your conscience. God will be the one that judges, the choice you make.
Thank you, CP.
I believe we must remember that, if both candidates support abortion, then not voting for one because of that belief is the same as supporting the other so, it can not be a sin in that instance as we have a choice to sin or not to sin.
I believe that single issue voters often fail to recognize the net results of their actions.
Is it a sin to pretend some candidates are "pro-life" just because others are honestly "pro-choice"?
...or rip a little boy's limbs off one-by-one.
...or sucking a little girl out her warm, secure, little home with a powerful vaccum connected to a knife-edged nozzle, scrambling her into little bits
...or poisoning the teeny-tiny little guy...
Regardless of the method employed, all abortion is reprehensible and the more cruel for the apparent indifference of its practitioners.
God is not merely grieved. He is filling up the full measure of wrath, stoking the flames of hell with every opprobrious defiance of His holy Law, be it abortion, or mocking Him to his face by the fashioning of some god besides the Truine God of Scripture.
I don't have time tonight but by tomorrow will post today's homily on ACTING in comport with the "personal values" for which you were elected in the first place.
Actions speak louder than words ... though those words which appear in the Republican memoranda and reports to Congress regarding abortion as linchpin of our population control program or the steps they suggested we take to avoid a thing they called "down-breeding" certainly do give one pause where the so-called "pro-life" party is concerned.
If we'd have even one PEEP of retractions in the last 30 years ... one pretense of metanoia or epiphany regarding their ideas, their arguments, their policies and their funding it might be one thing.
Feigning some kind of horror that Alan Guttmacher would follow Republican logic to its ultimate conclusion and make abortion the 'rallying cry' of Planned Parenthood just doesn't cut it ... particularly coming from the "abortions in the first trimester only" lips of just ONE of the consistently pro-abort Pubbie First Wives.
=== why it IS INDEED a sin to vote for pro-abortion politicians.
I hate this language. Hate it.
Not since the Kennedy Administration and the trotting out of Catholic pols whose consciousness on birth control was raised courtesy of Hesburghs closed door conferences have I ever seen such a calculated use of Catholics by the (from all appearances) yet rabidly anti-Catholic heirs of the Know Nothings.
Playing us like a piano. It's sickening.
Can you really imagine Jesus voting for abortion anytime for any reason?
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The article below is as specific to our current situation as it gets, and the good Bishop specifically names names and pulls no punches.
Please tell me if you disagree and what alternative you offer if you do disagree.
"One Reason is Proportionate: Defense of Innocent Human Life", says Bishop Gracida
BROWNSVILLE, September 21, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Rene Henry Gracida, Bishop Emeritus of Corpus Christi Texas, has written a letter to the editor of the Brownsville Herald, giving his clarification on the contentious issue of 'proportionate reasons' for a Catholic to vote for a pro-abortion politician. Naming names, he writes that Catholics cannot vote for presidential candidate John Kerry. To do so, he says, "would be formal cooperation in the sin of abortion if that candidate were to be elected and assist in passing legislation that would remove restrictions on abortion on demand."
He says that it is not enough to make a mental reservation that a voter is not supporting a pro-abortion politician because of his stand on abortion. The reasons to support the politician must be objectively 'proportionate.' He further states that the usual reasons cited, a candidate's stand "on war, or taxes, or the death penalty, or immigration, or a national health plan, or Social Security, or AIDS, or homosexuality, or marriage," are not important enough. They are, he says, "simply lacking in proportionality."
There is only one reason, says the retired bishop, that would be proportional to the killing of millions of innocent children through abortion. The bishop addresses a question that frequently vexes pro-life voters, that of having three bad choices. "Consider the case of a Catholic voter who must choose between three candidates: Kerry, who is completely for abortion on demand, Bush, who is in favor of very limited abortion, i.e., in favor of greatly restricting abortion and Peroutka, a candidate who is completely against abortion but who is universally recognized as being unelectable," he writes.
Without directly telling Catholic voters to support Bush, the bishop makes a strong logical case that this could be considered the only choice. "The Catholic can vote for Peroutka, but that will probably only help ensure the election of Kerry. Therefore the Catholic voter has a proportionate reason to vote for Bush, since his vote might help to ensure the defeat of Kerry and might result in the saving of some innocent human lives."
To read Bishop Gracida's full letter:
Battling the 'heretics' at the Republican National Convention; Former Corpus Christi bishop prays for Bush victory
By Joe Feuerherd
Washington Notebook was at the Republican National Convention, Aug. 29-Sept. 2.
NEW YORK -- The delegates and other Bush supporters gathered Sept. 2 for the "Catholic Outreach" rally on the closing day of the Republican National Convention bowed their heads as the retired bishop of Corpus Christi, Texas, offered the benediction. "Help them," Bishop Rene Gracida asked God, "to achieve the election of George W. Bush as president of this great nation."
So much for subtlety.
But this was not an understated event. No, after three nights of seeing the "moderate" pro-choice (and Catholic) face of the Republican Party showcased through the speeches of former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, these true believers longed for meat and potatoes Republican Catholicism.
And that's what they got.
"Isn't it great to be among Catholics who aren't afraid to be political?" Fr. Frank Pavone, president of Priests for Life, asked the hundreds of Republican delegates and other Bush supporters gathered in the Times Square hotel ballroom. "And isn't it great to find a few priests who aren't afraid to be political?" Pavone offered the invocation, urging the Almighty to intervene so that "when [Catholic voters] go into the voting booth they do not cease to be your people."
While abortion is the "No. 1" issue, same-sex marriage is a "tremendous motivator for people who have never been involved" in politics, Virginia State Sen. Ken Cuccinelli told the delegates. Cuccinelli, a member of the Republican National Committee's "Catholic Working Group," noted that recent polls show an upswing in antiabortion sentiment among young voters. He offered a partial explanation: "Pro-life people are bearing the children and pro-abortion people are killing them.
"The 'culture of death,' " said Cuccinelli, "is self-limiting."
Nebraska Gov. Mike Johanns asked his wife, Stephanie, to join him at the podium. "We're proud to say we're members of the Lincoln diocese" where, said Johanns, Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz "leads in a very conservative way and we love it." Further, the Johanns' home parish is St. Mary's in the state capitol of Lincoln. "So we're not only in the most conservative diocese in the country, but we're also members of the most conservative parish - and we love that."
When President Bush was Texas governor, he visited Nebraska, Johanns recalled.
"Mike, do you read the Bible?" Johanns recalled Bush asking. Johanns said he assured his gubernatorial colleague that he did.
"That's the kind of man I want to be president of the United States," Johanns told the delegates.
Kansas Republican Sen. Sam Brownback, a recent convert to Catholicism, said Bush's reelection was vital. "I can't think of anything more important to our faith than getting that job done," said Brownback.
New Jersey Congressman Chris Smith, the event's master of ceremonies, said Kerry's support of federal funding for abortion, his opposition to the ban on partial birth abortion, his support for international family planning programs, and his embrace of embryonic stem cell research "makes it abundantly clear that he wants to be the abortion president."
Human embryos stored for research purposes can be saved, said Smith. "Sixty babies have been thawed and adopted," said Smith, and more embryos can "be saved and adopted." He continued: "We believe that no child, born or unborn, should be left behind."
Republican National Committee Catholic Outreach director Martin Gillespie offered the first of several political conversion stories. "The values of my grandfather's Democratic Party have nothing to do with the values of today's Democratic Party," which, said Gillespie, is dominated by pro-choice advocacy groups and "drug legalizers."
"They have told us Catholics that we can take our values and our votes and go somewhere else and we're glad to do it," said Gillespie.
Minnesota Rep. Mark Kennedy cited the Jan. 2003 doctrinal note from the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith on the "Participation of Catholics in Political Life." It is now "impossible" for a Catholic legislator to support abortion-rights, said Kennedy. This is "no longer allowed within the church," he said. On Iraq, said Kennedy, "people of good will can differ."
By the time Gracida rose to offer the benediction, the crowd had thinned. But he still had something to say.
It is "sad to say that there are some bishops who are not strongly pro-life," the youthful looking 81-year-old prelate told the remaining delegates. Many bishops are "timid and afraid."
The "heresy" promoted by pro-choice Catholics is similar to the Arian heresy of the fourth century which, said Gracida, was overcome largely by the faith of the laity. The bishops, he told the delegates "need you to light a fire under them."
Following the event, Gracida told a reporter that there is a distinction between the pro-choice positions advocated by John Kerry and those supported by such convention speakers as Giuliani, Schwarzenegger and New York Gov. George Pataki.
"Schwarzenegger is not 100 percent pro-abortion -- he is to some extent, to a large extent, pro-life," Gracida said of the California governor. "Same way with Giuliani. Therefore, one must be careful not to issue a sweeping condemnation of everyone who has reservations about one or another aspect of human life and to recognize that it is only those like John Kerry who are 100 percent pro-abortion who deserve condemnation."
In fact, Schwarzenegger is generally considered pro-choice, though he favors a ban on "partial birth abortions." Giuliani is a strong supporter of abortion rights and opposed the ban on partial birth abortions (a position that Gracida, when challenged, said that he was not aware of.)
Meanwhile, Gracida was handing out business cards to those who approached him. But they didn't bear his name. Rather, they had the name and contact information of Marc Balestrieri, the Santa Monica-based canon lawyer who recently petitioned the Vatican to have John Kerry declared a heretic.
The e-mail address for Joe Feuerherd is email@example.com