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What part of 'gay' don't they understand? (lesbian angry that men like watching her kiss girlfriend)
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | October 5, 2004 | Nadine Davidoff

Posted on 10/04/2004 7:31:17 AM PDT by dead

Nadine Davidoff has had enough of men assuming that what gay women really want is a bloke.

When you see two girls walking down the street arm in arm there are a few of safe assumptions you could make about the scene; either the girls are friends or they are gay - they could even be partners. However, a certain subset of heterosexual men inexplicably arrive at a completely different conclusion: that the girls are putting on this display for their benefit and that they secretly want the men to join in the fun.

Who knows where this misconception comes from? Centuries of male privilege perhaps; a notion that everything in this world is created for their enjoyment? But this is the post-feminist age and men have long since ceased to be our supreme rulers. Which poses the question: what part of the word "gay" do these men not understand?

We are not helped, of course, by the likes of Madonna and Britney Spears, who recently engaged in a tongue-twister for precisely the purpose of revving up heterosexual men. I am sure they enjoyed themselves (well, Britney surely did) but did they realise that this wanton publicity stunt trivialises and misrepresents every genuine display of affection between lesbian women?

A case in point; one warm Sunday afternoon, I was walking along Bondi Beach hand-in-hand with my girlfriend. Deep in conversation, we suddenly became aware of a fat, hairy man barrelling towards us with his arms outstretched. "How 'bout a threesome ladies?" he leered as he attempted to enfold us in a group hug. It didn't take us very long to come up with an appropriate response to this invasion, and we promptly told the fool to bugger off. But sometimes, it's a little bit more tricky.

For example, my girlfriend dropped me off at yoga one evening, and as we parted, she gave me a quick kiss goodbye. "Nice kiss, girls," drawled a male member of the class as he stepped into the room. As I followed him into a quiet candlelit studio with members of the class already deep into their postures, it didn't seem quite right to ruin the serenity with a loud four-letter word.

It does help though, to have your mother on hand. Strolling past Ravesi's in Bondi one hot afternoon (yes, hand-in-hand with my girl) the hairy boofheads spilling out of every open window could not contain their excitement, and proceeded to hassle us with catcalls and whistles. By now, quite used to this graceless display, we walked blithely on. Not so my mother, for whom this was a new experience. "What's wrong with you all?" she scolded as she turned to face them. "They're not doing it for your benefit."

I have never seen a bunch of men sink faster into their beers. Clearly, if there's one thing heterosexual men are still afraid of, it's their mothers.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: homosexual; homosexualagenda; lesbian; samesexattraction
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Angry young Australian lesbians. That's hot.
1 posted on 10/04/2004 7:31:17 AM PDT by dead
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To: dead

Totally. You know they love the attention.


2 posted on 10/04/2004 7:33:02 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: dead

Pictures please......


3 posted on 10/04/2004 7:33:25 AM PDT by Pondman88
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To: Pondman88

You DON'T want to see them.

Trust me.


4 posted on 10/04/2004 7:35:01 AM PDT by Skooz (We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)
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To: dead

Do you think that if you act like a slut in public you are going to be treated like a slut? What do you expect!


5 posted on 10/04/2004 7:35:21 AM PDT by 50 Cal (A Lawyer is nothing but a Politician in Larval Form!)
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To: dead

I think we need visual confirmation for the article's claim...in the name of good journalism of course, anything less would be uncivilized.


6 posted on 10/04/2004 7:35:22 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" - Hillary Clinton)
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To: dead

I'm a lesbian in a man's body....


7 posted on 10/04/2004 7:36:45 AM PDT by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: dead

These ladies need to be more open minded, men have needs, and lesbians and men are just made to be together....


8 posted on 10/04/2004 7:37:23 AM PDT by Pondman88
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To: dead

You need some really good pictures!


9 posted on 10/04/2004 7:38:35 AM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: dead

LOL!!
This is hilarious.
I can picture the barrel shaped guy. Probably a version of everyone's brother-in-law.


10 posted on 10/04/2004 7:40:30 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Do not indulge the Negative Nervous Nellies with reassurances.)
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To: BureaucratusMaximus

It's a rip-off, the article doesn't have any pictures except an unrelated ad.


11 posted on 10/04/2004 7:40:49 AM PDT by xJones
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To: dead

This funny in the eye-rolling ironic sense. Guys are hardwired to view women sexually. It takes a lot of work to subjugate the sex-obsessed 14 year old mindset. Certain women, however, are still shocked to find that the way they dress, speak and act can release that mindset within some men in heartbeat.

Get a room.


12 posted on 10/04/2004 7:41:54 AM PDT by Gingersnap
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To: dead
Angry young Australian lesbians. That's hot.

Angry young Australian Lesbian Thespian Gymnastic Midgets are hotter. ;-P
13 posted on 10/04/2004 7:42:42 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
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To: dead

I'm sure the mental images everyone on this thread appears to be having about this girl and her girlfriend are a bit off the mark. But I admit, I like it when lesbians get angry!


14 posted on 10/04/2004 7:46:08 AM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: dead

I am a woman, and I would like male Freepers to explain to me why they enjoy seeing women having sex. I love the bodies of men but I don't enjoy seeing male gays do it. Is it even possible to explain these pre-verbal reactions using words, or is it like describing color to a blind man?


15 posted on 10/04/2004 7:47:32 AM PDT by Capriole
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To: KellyAdmirer

Which, fortunately, is absolutely all the time.


16 posted on 10/04/2004 7:47:34 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead

Women don't understand: There is a whole host of things they can do to make themselves participants in a man's fantasy and their willingness to be in it isn't one of them.


17 posted on 10/04/2004 7:49:47 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: dead
That's because most girls who do any girl-on-girl affection DO it solely for the male attention. How do you think Maxim makes a profit? This is especially true when the two girls are both reasonably good looking.

Conventional wisdom is that two REAL lesbians, one is good looking and the other looks like she was hit by a truck.

The writer should pick up a minging girlfriend so she isn't troubled anymore.

18 posted on 10/04/2004 7:50:53 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (http://purveyors-of-truth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Barney Gumble

actually conventional wisdom says that two REAL lesbians are ugly, fat, flannel wearing man haters.


19 posted on 10/04/2004 7:52:02 AM PDT by RolandBurnam
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To: dead

>However, a certain subset of heterosexual men inexplicably arrive at a completely different conclusion: that the girls are putting on this display for their benefit and that they secretly want the men to join in the fun.<

Uh, are these Aussie women so dense as to think, when they act out a common male sexual fantasy in public that they won't have a bunch of randy males making comments or worse?

D'Oh!


20 posted on 10/04/2004 7:52:11 AM PDT by Darnright
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To: Capriole

One is great - two is better - especially when there is no competition involved - at least anatomically speaking...


21 posted on 10/04/2004 7:53:21 AM PDT by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: dead

What part of "heterosexual male" don't you understand? You're female and you obviously don't have a boyfriend. It's definitely worth a shot.


22 posted on 10/04/2004 7:54:27 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Visualize Smaller Government)
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To: dead
However, a certain subset of heterosexual men inexplicably arrive at a completely different conclusion: that the girls are putting on this display for their benefit and that they secretly want the men to join in the fun.

Possibly because they have known too many straight women who do just this.

23 posted on 10/04/2004 7:55:19 AM PDT by sharktrager (Nobody deserves our hostility when they are in a time of need.)
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To: wideawake

What they love is feeling persecuted. That is why they chose the lifestyle to begin with.....


24 posted on 10/04/2004 7:56:14 AM PDT by CSM ("Don't be economic girlie men!" - Governator, August 31, 2004, RNC)
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To: dead
However, a certain subset of heterosexual men inexplicably arrive at a completely different conclusion: that the girls are putting on this display for their benefit and that they secretly want the men to join in the fun.

Who knows where this misconception comes from?

It comes from the fact that it is abnormal for a woman to prefer sex with a woman than with a man. It is natural for men to want to fix things. Since you are broken, men want to fix you.

OK, so these particular men prefer to join in the brokenness - they need help too. But that's still the root of the concept, which is not a misconception in the least.

Get treatment.

Shalom.

25 posted on 10/04/2004 7:56:36 AM PDT by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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To: Question Liberal Authority
What part of "heterosexual male" don't you understand? You're female and you obviously don't have a boyfriend. It's definitely worth a shot.

ROTFLMAO!

26 posted on 10/04/2004 7:56:55 AM PDT by BureaucratusMaximus ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Capriole
Simple, women are sexual creatures and have tremendous power when they choose to use it. In reality I do not believe that I could explain it to you anymore than you could make me understand what it is to be a woman. It's a guy thing.

However the girls have to be cute.
When they are fat & ugly it has the opposite effect, makes you want to puke.
27 posted on 10/04/2004 7:57:47 AM PDT by 50 Cal (A Lawyer is nothing but a Politician in Larval Form!)
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To: Gingersnap
This funny in the eye-rolling ironic sense.

Exactly. It's like a person with blue hair, a mohawk, dozens of piercings and tattoos who complains that people are staring at him.

28 posted on 10/04/2004 7:58:04 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Visualize Smaller Government)
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To: dead

"Who knows where this misconception comes from?"

I know. It's the commonly-held myth among many men that they are some deity's gift to women. They just assume that all women want to have sex with them, and cannot, for the life of them, understand why any women does not desire them.

I believe there may be a few in that category right here on FR.


29 posted on 10/04/2004 7:58:38 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Capriole

O'Reilly was discussing the topic of lesbianism, and even confessed that men are just hard-wired that way. There are several issues going on at once - watching two women together with no other male competition around - already aroused - and ripe for the plucking - so to speak.

That's about the best I can explain it.


30 posted on 10/04/2004 7:59:33 AM PDT by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: dead

"By now, quite used to this graceless display, we walked blithely on"

Maybe, someone should point out that the graceless display is on their part as well?


31 posted on 10/04/2004 7:59:51 AM PDT by Smocker
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To: dead

She doesn't get why men find lesbo scenes in porn such a turn-on. Guys want to be in the middle of the action. Here's a lesbian who doesn't understand men and their attraction to women.


32 posted on 10/04/2004 8:02:55 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: EdReform; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

All I can say is they deserve each other. Homosexual women getting angry about lust-driven men looking at them. Don't want the attention, ladies? Don't act out in public, then.

When people want to deny the laws of nature set up by nature's God, they have to also take the results, which are never pretty. And there are a lot more results to come.

Let Scripter and me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


33 posted on 10/04/2004 8:03:41 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Marriage is the bedrock of human civilization. Destroy marriage, destroy human civilization.)
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To: dead
Two lesbians were holding hands and kissing in the checkout line at the grocery store the other day.

When was the last time you saw adult heteros do that?

They were showing off and looking for attention.

Of course, they were exceptionally ugly, too, made particularly ugly from artificial uglification means like dyed hair (at least one had weird dyed hair like a clown).

34 posted on 10/04/2004 8:05:16 AM PDT by Montfort
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To: MineralMan

"I believe there may be a few in that category right here on FR."

Hold on now! I represent - er - resent that remark.


35 posted on 10/04/2004 8:05:31 AM PDT by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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O'Reilly was discussing the topic of lesbianism

Slightly off topic, but I was listening to Howard Stern this morning and they were playing a clip from O’Reilly reading his viewer mail last week. He actually read an e-mail from “Jack Mehoff” on the air. It was pretty hysterical listening to him say the name in that big O’Reilly voice of his – “Jack Mehoff in Coral Gables writes…”

36 posted on 10/04/2004 8:05:57 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Capriole
I am a woman, and I would like male Freepers to explain to me why they enjoy seeing women having sex.

It's very simple. There are no men in the picture. It's pure abstract sex. If a man sees another man having sex with a woman, he thinks "who the hell does that guy think he is, having sex with that woman I should be having sex with? It's an outrage!" There is no such barrier when watching hot girl-on-girl action.

Women think totally differently. They see a hot guy with a woman and they'll ask a man - "do you think she's pretty?" Men couldn't care less what other men look like.

37 posted on 10/04/2004 8:06:17 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Visualize Smaller Government)
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To: dead
Well, I show respect for hetro women, because I do respect them.

I'll remember to be a total hormone-raging male towards lesbians. I didn't realize it pissed them off so bad.

Disgusting creatures they are.
38 posted on 10/04/2004 8:08:15 AM PDT by inn8
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To: Capriole
"I am a woman, and I would like male Freepers to explain to me why they enjoy seeing women having sex. I love the bodies of men but I don't enjoy seeing male gays do it."

Not all men do, I am not turned on by gay couples of any sex.

To each their own I suppose.

39 posted on 10/04/2004 8:08:34 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: All

I don't know, guys.

Most of the gay women I know don't bear the slightest resemblance to Britney or Madonna.

In fact, most don't even really look like women in general.

(Not that there's anything wrong with that)


40 posted on 10/04/2004 8:08:51 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (Well... There you go again!)
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To: M. Peach
O'Reilly was discussing the topic of...watching two women together with no other male competition around - already aroused - and ripe for the plucking

Was that a Talking Points Memo or an Impact Segment?

41 posted on 10/04/2004 8:09:49 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Visualize Smaller Government)
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To: dead

I don't buy it. The article sounds contrived to foster a lesbo agenda and denigrate hetrosexuality, not to mention painting fat people as pervs.

Jason Blair school of journalism graduate, IMO.


42 posted on 10/04/2004 8:11:25 AM PDT by Rebelbase ("We will crush Al Qaeda"....Silky Pony)
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To: dead

In related news, I read about a couple that named their son Drew. The family name is Peacock. They never made the connection on why this would be a rather insulting name.


43 posted on 10/04/2004 8:11:28 AM PDT by Hawkeye
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To: dead
If that wasn't a made-up name then somebody should shoot Jack's mother.

Shalom.

44 posted on 10/04/2004 8:12:14 AM PDT by ArGee (After 517, the abolition of man is complete)
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To: Montfort

"Two lesbians were holding hands and kissing in the checkout line at the grocery store the other day.
When was the last time you saw adult heteros do that? "

Uh, yesterday, you'd have seen that while my wife and I were in the grocery store. We often hold hands, and I gave her a quick kiss right there in the checkout line. But then, we're newlyweds, having been married only 13 years.


45 posted on 10/04/2004 8:13:03 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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for later


46 posted on 10/04/2004 8:15:49 AM PDT by Aetius
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To: Question Liberal Authority; M. Peach; Capriole
Rememebr the "Miller Lite Catfight" commercials? Two extremely hot girls getting into a big fight, rolling around, tearing off clothes...then at the very end (at least in the cable version of the commercial), one says to the other, "Wanna make out?"

Male fantasy. :o) You're always hoping that you'll be asked to join in. That's why the response.

47 posted on 10/04/2004 8:16:10 AM PDT by TheBigB (I < heart > Sam McPherson!)
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To: dead

The reason they look for is they having nothing else better to do with their time.


48 posted on 10/04/2004 8:16:19 AM PDT by desherwood7
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To: dead

All I'm going to say about the lesbian issue is this:

If the so called "lesbians" really wanted women, there would be no place for the "BUTCH DYKE", as this is nothing but a woman who does everything in her power and mannerisms to act and look like a MAN.

If a woman truly wanted another woman, and was not likely the victim of some sort of physical of psychological abuse at some stage, probably early in her life with a man, she would be going after and interested in women who look like women.


49 posted on 10/04/2004 8:17:11 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: Question Liberal Authority

"If a man sees another man having sex with a woman, he thinks "who the hell does that guy think he is, having sex with that woman I should be having sex with? It's an outrage!" "

Which explains, I suppose, why men don't watch explicit porn, then. Oh, wait....


50 posted on 10/04/2004 8:17:59 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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