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Scientists Claim To Tap The Free Energy Of Space
For the People ^ | Richard Walters

Posted on 10/04/2004 9:23:57 AM PDT by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

Scientists Claim To Tap The Free Energy Of Space by Richard Walters ("For the People" magazine)

Physicist Bruce DePalma has a 100 kilowatt generator, which he invented, sitting in his garage. It could power his whole house, but if he turns it on, the government may confiscate it.

Harvard educated DePalma, who taught physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology for 15 years, claims that his electrical generator can provide cheap, inexhaustible, self sustaining and non polluting source of energy, using principles that flout conventional physics and are still not fully understood. His N machine, as it is called, is said to release the "free energy" latent in the space all around us. DePalma views his device as an innovation that could help to end the worlds's dangerous dependence on finite supplies of oil, gas, and other polluting fossil based fuels.

Deceptive Simplicity

The DePalma generator is essentially a simple magnetized flywheel, ie a magnetized cylindrical conductor rotating at high speed with the help of a motor. His astonishing claim is that the present versions of the N machine can generate up to five times more power than it consumes. This, of course, defies the basic law of the conservation of energy, which says that the output of energy cannot be more than the input. Most physicists simply refuse to look at DePalma's findings and dismiss his theories out of hand.

Yet "proof of principle" for his invention was apparently provided when a large N machine, dubbed the Sunburst, was built in 1978 in Santa Barbara California. The Sunburst machine was independently tested by Dr. Robert Kincheloe, professor emeritus of electrical engineering at Stanford University. in his 1986 report (presented to the Society for Scientific Exploration, San Francisco, 6/21/86), Kincheloe noted that the drag of the rotating magnetized gyroscope is only 13 to 20 percent of a conventional generator operating at an ideal 100 percent efficiency, the DePalma N machine could produce electricity at around 500 percent efficiency.

In Kincheloe's cautious summary: "DePalma may have been right in that there is indeed a situation here whereby energy is being obtained from a previously unknown and unexplained source. This is a conclusion that most scientists and engineers would reject out of hand as being a violation of accepted laws of physics and if true has incredible implications".

"The jury is still out on the DePalma N machine," says physicist Harold Puthoff, a senior fellow at the Institute for Advanced Studies in Austin, Texas. "It isn't clear where the reported excess energy is coming from--whether out of the electromagnetic field or as the result of some anomaly associated with rotating bodies in terms of inertia. The DePalma machine needs to be replicated on a broad scale to see if it actually works. Though I'm rather skeptical, I certainly would encourage independent laboratory experimentation. While such a phenomenon would have seemed to absolutely go against the law of energy conservation a number of years ago, we now recognize that the potential for extracting energy out of so called empty space is in fact a reality". Not So Empty Space

Puthoff, a PhD. from Stanford University, believes that a new, non polluting energy source may be achieved by tapping the force random fluctuations jostling atomic particles within a vacuum. Scientists now know that "empty" space seethes with waft are called vacuum fluctuations: huge amounts of energy that suddenly burst forth, jiggling particles to and fro. Puthoff has developed his own theory, zero point energy, in an attempt to tap the abundant power found in the vacuum of space. He and associates in a new company, Jupiter Technologies, may soon try to manufacture zero-point energy machines.

DePalma described his N machine and outlined a theory to explain its workings in a paper, "On the Possibility of Extraction of Electrical Energy Directly From Space", published in the British science journal, Speculations in Science and Technology (Sept 1990, Vol 13 No 4). So far, the scientific establishment either has ignored DePalma's controversial claims or remains unaware of them.

Patent *Not* Pending

No one has ever obtained a patent for an N machine in the U.S., although in the San Francisco area alone, there are some 200 patent applications relating to such devices. The U.S. Patent office automatically denies a patent to any gizmo which purports to produce more energy than it consumes, on the grounds that its personnel are not equipped to evaluate such claims. DePalma is quick to point out that the N machine is not a perpetual motion machine, that mythical contraption long sought by frustrated inventors. "The perpetual motion machine is only supposed to run itself. It could never put out five times more power than is put into it. Perpetual motion schemes used conventional energy sources, whereas the N machine is a new way of extracting energy from space".

Other scientists-inventors who attempted to build and operate free energy machines have been intimidated and harassed by the U.S. government. At least one inventor had his device confiscated by the Defense Department on the grounds that its free energy technology endangered national security interests. This inventor was put under a gag order, so that he could not even tell the press that his N machine had been confiscated. This is ironic when one considers that the idea for the N machine came directly from a famous experiment performed by Michael Faraday in 1831. U.S. Not Interested

The U.S. energy monopoly, which pushes for the development of oil, gas, coal, and nuclear power--while defunding solar energy and other non polluting alternatives--apparently does not want to see free energy emerge as a viable option.

Meanwhile, other countries, notably India and Japan, are vigorously pursuing what might prove to be a technological breakthrough. (is this yet one more example of the Invented in USA/Made in Japan" syndrome, the outcome of American shortsightedness and vested interests?) In India, eminent engineer Paramahamsa Tewari is currently testing his invention, called the Space Power Generator (SPG), which essentially replicates DePalma's N machine. With 5 kilowatt total input, the SPG is reportedly yielding 30 kilowatt electrical output (correspondence to B. DePalma 8/13/90).

Tewari, a senior engineer with India's Department of Atomic Energy-Nuclear Power Corporation, also directs the Kaiga Project, India's largest atomic power facility, in Karnataka. He freely acknowledges his dept to DePalma, who has shared his experimental results with Tewari for many years. According to Tewari, "The electrical power generated by the Space Power Generator is indeed commercially viable and should be brought to the notice of the general public." He has urged India's Atomic Energy Commission to create an independent research group to advance free energy technology. Tewari also credits John Wheeler, the prominent American physicist and discoverer of the black hole, for his steady encouragement. Wheeler, who had been searching for a mathematical theory that would predict free energy, applauded Tewari for his effort to develop such a theory, and the two scientists corresponded for several years.

Japanese Interest

The Japan Science Foundation, under Japanese government auspices, awarded grants to two universities and one company to produce models of the N machine and to investigate how it works. Kazama Giken Corporation is commercially supplying small N machines for research and educational purposes. Another Japanese company, Panasonic/National, is also pursuing this technology. Shiuji Inomata, Ph D president of the Japan Psychotronics Institute and senior scientist at the Electrotechnical Laboratory in Ibaraki, has been instrumental in sparking the interest of Japan's scientific community in the N machine.

"One day man will connect his apparatus to the very wheel work of the universe... and the very forces that motivate the planets in their orbits and cause them to rotate will rotate his own machinery" predicted Nikola Tesla, the Croatian born American electrical genius whose discoveries and inventions rival those of Edison. Proponents of the N machine believe that it taps directly into a primordial energy source, meshing with the wheel work of the cosmos.

A Wrong Turn

"Electrical engineering took a wrong turn 160 years ago," according to Tewari, referring to English scientist Michael Faraday's pioneering work of the world's first dynamo. In 1831, Faraday performed a series of experiments which led to the modern electric induction generator, having two moving parts--a rotor and a stator. Faraday moved a wire near the pole of a magnet, producing an electrical potential across the ends of the wire. This induction principle is used in all the electrical generators we use today. And that's precisely what Tewari means by a "wrong turn."

In that same year, 1831, Faraday also performed a simple yet ingenious experiment with a rotating magnetized conductor. The resulting phenomenon (free energy?) has yet to be explained in terms of conventional scientific theory.

By cementing a copper disc on top of a cylinder magnet, and rotating the magnet and disc together, Faraday created an electrical potential. After pondering this phenomenon for many years, he concluded that when a magnet is rotated, its magnetic field remains stationary. Thus, he reasoned, the metal of the magnet moves through its own field, and the relative motion is translated into electrical potential.

Faraday's experiments led him to the revolutionary conclusion that a magnetic field is a property of space itself, not something attached to the magnet, which merely serves to induce or evoke the field.

A Prototype

Known for over 150 years, the Faraday homopolor generator, as his contraption is called, has been viewed by a handful of visionary inventors as a basis for evoking the free energy latent in space. They see is as the prototype for a generator capable of providing its own motive power with additional energy to spare. When the world embraced Faraday's two piece induction generator, whose drawbacks include mechanical friction and electrical losses, the enormous potential of the Faraday homo polar generator was abandoned, in the opinion of free-energy proponents.

Following in Faraday's footsteps, DePalma in 1978 speculated that free energy could be tapped from the matrix of space simply by magnetizing a gyroscope. "I reasoned that the metal of the magnetized gyroscope moving through its own magnetic field, when rotated would produce an electrical potential between the axle and the outer edge of the rotating magnetized flywheel," he explains.

This insight led to his N machine, essentially a one piece rotating magnetized flywheel, "Instead of having a rotor and a stator, as do conventional generators, the n machine only has a rotor.. Half of the flywheel is the north pole, the other half is the south pole. One electrical contact is put on the axle, another contact is placed on the outer edge of the gyroscope, and presto, electricity is taken directly out of the magnet itself."

Idea Put to the Test

For 150 years after Faraday's controversial experiment, no one bothered to see whether or not a rotating magnet generator would have to to the same amount of work as a conventional induction generator in order to produce and identical power output. Then, in 1978, the aforementioned Sunburst homopolar generator was built. Tests determined that is output power greatly exceeded the input needed to run the machine, that it was much more efficient that an induction generator. Opinions differ as to the exact mechanisms by which the N machine generates energy. In 1977 Tewari created a minor sensation when he put forth the theory that space is filled with a dynamic medium whose swirling motion is the source of all matter and energy. In his Space Vortex Theory, more fully developed in his 1984 book, Beyond Matter, the Indian engineer inventor postulated that a void lies at the heart of the electron-- a void whose high speed rotation within a vacuum could produce energy from space. Tewari's theory is based on the assumption that the electron has a definite structure, and is not just a homogeneous "droplet" of charge.

According to Tewari, the movement of "voids" in the spinning magnetized cylinder of his Space Power Generator liberates free energy out of the space between the machine's axis and the magnet. He readily admits that this sounds incredible, by the yardstick of known laws of physics. Tewari says he never would have developed his theory had he been trained as a physicist rather than as an engineer, since his ideas differ so radically from conventional physics.

"Tewari's explanation is perfectly possible," comments DePalma. "He is attempting to conceptualize what's happening between the atoms and where the energy is liberated."

Concept of Magnetism

"My own approach," continues DePalma, "is that space is all around us like the sea of water the fish swim in. The only way you know it's there is to distort it in some way, and the simplest way to distort space is with a magnet." DePalma maintains that his own conception of magnetism as a distortion of a pre-existent homogeneous field is "the first new thought on the fundamental nature of magnetism since Oersted."

Having taught at MIT as a lecturer in physics for 15 years, DePalma grew increasingly dissatisfied with mainstream physics' explanation of the way things work. His current view of the universe would strike many conventional scientists as heresy.

For example, modern science says that energy is a constant substance in the universe, and that the conversion of energy from one form to another will lead to the heat-death of the universe eon from now. In contrast, says DePalma, "My cosmos is an open-ended universe, one in which energy can be evoked from space itself. All energy come from space," he maintains, "and there are various processes which can release this energy, the simplest of which is lighting a match or rubbing two sticks together."

Suppose you light a candle. The heat in the flame derives from the release of latent heat stored in the wax, according to the textbooks. Nonsense says DePalma. "The law of energy conservation is pure assumption," he insists. In his theory, the heat of a lit candle comes from space, and this substrate is slowly consumed by the energy of space flowing through it.

When you drive a car, the heat latent in the gasoline is extracted through burning, which propels the pistons. Right? Wrong says DePalma. His understanding of the process is that the gasoline-air mixture, catalyzed by an electric spark, acts as a "molecular antenna" to release energy from space. Heat energy thus released cooks or burns the substance which is evoking it in the first place, producing exhaust.

Likewise, when a magnet is rotated in the N-machine, DePalma theorizes, the electrical current comes from the space through which the magnet is drawing its energy, not from the magnets mechanical rotation.

DePalma's approaches to other basic phenomena are equally unorthodox. In the mid-1970's he performed the "Spinning Ball Experiment," which purportedly demonstrated that a rotating object will fall faster or go higher than an identical non rotating object with the same initial velocity. If true, these results fly in the face of all knows physics. The experimental procedure is simple: Take a steel ball bearing (the kind used in a pinball machine), set it rotating, drop it, and measure how fast it falls. Compare its time with that of an identical but non-rotating control ball.

DePalma explained his anomalous results in terms of free energy added to the motion of the rotating object. Those and other experiments led him to formulate radical new concepts of rotation, gravity, inertia and motion in general building on the work of pioneers in the field. He published his findings on the Spinning Ball Experiment in the British Scientific Research Association Journal in 1976. He also outlined the Spinning Ball Experiment to Dr. Edward Purcell, a Harvard physics professor, one of the most eminent experimental physicists at that time. According to DePalma, Purcell, after contemplating the experiment for several minutes, blurted, "This will change everything."

Applying New Technology

"Applied physics is not engraved in stone," says Don Kelly, president of the Space Energy Association (SEA/US), a group of engineers, scientists, and inventors dedicated to developing free-energy technology. Today's free-energy scene encompasses a bewildering array of devices, including N machine, Russian plasma generators, a Swill hybrid converter (combining free-energy components and solid state methods), permanent magnet motors (PMMs), the multiple-coil Hubbard Generator, and various hydrogen power systems.

A standout among the latter group is the "Enerex" H20 unit invented by Yoshiro Nakmatsu, known as the "Edison of Japan." This prolific inventor--father of the floppy disk--claims that his pollution free Enerex unit runs on tap water alone and can generate three times as much power as a standard gasoline engine. An H20 splitter, the Enerex produces hydrogen as the working fuel.

Kelly notes that Germany, Switzerland, Japan, Korea and the Netherlands all have active free-energy research associations, with which SEA/US exchanges information. Nevertheless, he feels that the nascent free energy technology faces opposition in the United States from government agencies, academics, and vested industrial interests. Kely envisions free energy eventually gaining acceptance and application through a grassroots movement of do-it-yourselfers around the country.

SEA/US publishes an interesting quarterly newsletter, available to members. (Contact : Jim Kettner, Space Energy Association, PO Box 1136, Clearwater, FL 33757-1136, USA. Tel : 954-749-6553 Membership dues are $35 per year).

Economics of the N machine

DePalma Energy Corporation has not sold a single machine yet. To build an N machine by hand, the company charges around $500,000. Bruce DePalma claims that, if mass produced, the cost of his machine would drop to a mere $400 to $500. He points out that a typical 100 kilowatt AC generator costs a little over $100,000, and add that an N machine putting out the same amount of power could be manufactured for one third to one half the cost in regular production. His goal is to set up technology sharing agreements with clients who would manufacture his machine.

Surveying the variety of electro-magnetic free energy units available or on the drawing boards, Don Kelly concluded that most of them are plagued by fuzzy applied physics, lack of technical and financial support, and "a distinct cost effectiveness problem." However, Kelly singled out the DePalma N machine as "the mainstay for this F/E category" and "the best of the F/E units for its potential today." He gave the N machine a high "KISS rating" (KISS=Keep it simple and stupid) due to the machines simple, one-piece rotor performs better than today's conventional two piece generators.

Other Applications

The gyroscope with its anomalous properties, so crucial to the N machine, is also finding applications in antigravity and space propulsion. Eric Laithwaite, electrical engineering professor at Royal Imperial Technical College, London England, employed the gyroscope in an antigravity machine which he invented. Laithwaite is best know as the discoverer of the linear electrical motor use to propel high speed trains in Japan. After making contact with a couple of English inventors who, in dreams, had seen how a gyroscope could be used to generate a force against space, he devised his antigravity device and, in 1974, demonstrated it in front of an audience at the Royal Imperial Technical College.

The machine, which weighed approximately 20 pounds when not running, reportedly DECREASED in weight to 15 pounds when running. This effect was said to be due to antigravity. Laithwaite's experiment created a sensation and was written up in papers around the world.

A more sophisticated version of the Laithwaite antigravity machine, invented by Scottish engineer Sandy Kidd, is being tested at Edinburgh University. British Aerospace and the European Commission (the body which runs the Economic Community) are helping to fund the test, which may prove whether it is possible to defy gravity and Newtonian principles.

The test will investigate several other similar antigravity devices as well. Testing is under the supervision of Stephen Salter, a professor of engineering design, well known for his work in deriving energy from ocean wave power using large floating objects crammed full of gyroscopes.

The Kidd antigravity machine consists of a system of gyroscopes said to produce inertial thrust without reciprocal reaction, thus turn on its head Newton's Third Law of Motion. (The third law states that when a force acts on a body--every action produces an equal and opposite reaction).

Kidd claims that a spacecraft powered by his propulsion design could travel millions of miles into space, carrying a minimal payload of fuel to power the gyroscopes.

So far, the amount of thrust claimed to have been produced under laboratory conditions has been measured in ounces. But his is a claim which can not be ignored, according to Dr. Ron Evans, Principal Engineer for Future Concepts in British Aerospace's military aircraft division. While Evans expressed skepticism about the underlying cause of Kidd antigravity machines's anomalous effects, he said, "If the laws we have been brought up to believe in are wrong, then we would be silly to ignore this. It would be nice if it (the Kidd machine) worked and would open whole new fields."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government
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1 posted on 10/04/2004 9:23:57 AM PDT by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
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this is a long article I'll read it later (when I get my tin foil hat ready)


2 posted on 10/04/2004 9:26:41 AM PDT by escapefromboston
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sounds like another "cold fusion" story to me. i.e. baloney.


3 posted on 10/04/2004 9:27:31 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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bump for read later


4 posted on 10/04/2004 9:29:17 AM PDT by Frapster (rope-a-dope)
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"It could power his whole house, but if he turns it on, the government may confiscate it."

Looks like it's time for him to disconnect from the utility, turn it on and get some concrete output figures, before the government rushes to "confiscate" it.

Henry Ford didn't have a license for his first car, but he drove it in public anyway!


5 posted on 10/04/2004 9:29:56 AM PDT by spoiler2
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BFLR


6 posted on 10/04/2004 9:30:37 AM PDT by fishtank
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Needs a hip-boots warning...
7 posted on 10/04/2004 9:31:14 AM PDT by null and void (Bring the War on Terror home! Vote for Kerry...)
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At least one inventor had his device confiscated by the Defense Department on the grounds that its free energy technology endangered national security interests. This inventor was put under a gag order, so that he could not even tell the press that his N machine had been confiscated.

Then how did the author of the article find out about it?

The complete lack of evidence is the surest proof the conspiracy is working.

8 posted on 10/04/2004 9:31:17 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (Visualize Smaller Government)
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{yawn}, I've been keeping up with and reading about this stuff for 15 years on http://www.keelynet.com . Even before the web, they had an old school modem powered BBS I used to read on. Interesting articles, especially for those who know a little (but not enough to refute). Nothing has ever come of this stuff..


9 posted on 10/04/2004 9:32:03 AM PDT by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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This is the stuff that will change the world when it becomes true. Government has suppressed this work for years.

Let those nasty thieving arabs eat their oil.

John


10 posted on 10/04/2004 9:32:35 AM PDT by John_7Diamonds
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
Article comes for a "UFO Research" page.

Here

Probably written by this man:


11 posted on 10/04/2004 9:32:41 AM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: camle

Faraday, and Tesla would disagree.


12 posted on 10/04/2004 9:33:21 AM PDT by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
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bump for later


13 posted on 10/04/2004 9:33:58 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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Other scientists-inventors who attempted to build and operate free energy machines have been intimidated and harassed by the U.S. government.

Imagine that.


14 posted on 10/04/2004 9:34:09 AM PDT by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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In 5 seconds with Google I determined that "Bruce DePalma" died in 1997. This article is older than that. (Yes, it's the same Bruce De Palma, follow the links.)


15 posted on 10/04/2004 9:34:46 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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Sounds like a snake-oil scam. If he cared one whit for the world at large, he'd just publish his findings publically so anyone could build one. The FedGov can't intimidate everyone with an internet connection, can they? The first company that builds one and turns it on (if it works) would likely hire him as a consultant anyhow. If it worked, the commercialization would be elementary. Easy conclusion? It doesn't work.


16 posted on 10/04/2004 9:35:44 AM PDT by leoncaruthers
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any time somebody come up and says that they have a magic bullet bu the governmetn will crack down on them if they brought it out, I get suspicious. This story has "crack pot" written all over it.

but don't feel down, a lot of people were taken in by Pins and Fleischmann's cold fusion malarkey too.


17 posted on 10/04/2004 9:35:54 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-; RhoTheta

Interesting read!


18 posted on 10/04/2004 9:36:28 AM PDT by Egon (Kerry and the MSM: co-conspirators in treason in 1970, and again in 2004.)
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To: camle

The N-Machine is more of a modern version of Faraday's Rotating-Magnet Electrical Generator (homopolar).


19 posted on 10/04/2004 9:36:49 AM PDT by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
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Hey, I got an idea for a FREE power device too. But you gotta be careful and wear rubber gloves and don't stand in a puddle of water when you're installing it on your electric meter. I'm keeping the details secret until I get a patent. Should be here any day now...


20 posted on 10/04/2004 9:37:22 AM PDT by Siegfried (I don't know where I'm a gonna go, when the volcano blow!)
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To: VeritatisSplendor

yup.


21 posted on 10/04/2004 9:37:30 AM PDT by -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
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No one has ever obtained a patent for an N machine in the U.S.

Tom Beardon and associates received a US patent in 2002... US Patent 6,362,718: Motionless Electromagnetic Generator (MEG)

22 posted on 10/04/2004 9:37:54 AM PDT by acehai
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Tin Foil Hat Alert

This is right up there with the 'inventor' in the 1930s who developed a carburator that would give every car 200 mpg of gas. It was 'of course' bought up by Big Oil and he was silenced.

Is there vacuum energy in space?
You betcha.

Is this story true?
No way.
If anyone had built a working generator and the Govt had confiscated it, they would be powering every military and space vehicle we have, even if they were kept from the public, which they wouldn't be.
This would be the greatest stimulus to progress since the invention of fire.
No one could succesfully sit on it.

SO9

23 posted on 10/04/2004 9:38:16 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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To: PatrickHenry

Bogus science ping

Teaching at MIT is no guarantee of sanity. Noam Chomsky teaches at MIT.


24 posted on 10/04/2004 9:38:26 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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At least one inventor had his device confiscated by the Defense Department on the grounds that its free energy technology endangered national security interests. This inventor was put under a gag order, so that he could not even tell the press that his N machine had been confiscated.

Tough to get past this bit. Kind of convenient that this unnamed "inventor" is under a "gag order".

25 posted on 10/04/2004 9:38:43 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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well? let's see it work. prove it with demonstrable facts and not supposition and inferences.
if you want my money you'd better have something concrets that works beyond suspicion.


26 posted on 10/04/2004 9:39:42 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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100 kilowatt AC generator costs a little over $100,000


This is a gross exaggeration. A 100kW diesel generator costs $25k. I guess I question the truth of this until I actually see one in action.
27 posted on 10/04/2004 9:40:55 AM PDT by Boiler Plate
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When you drive a car, the heat latent in the gasoline is extracted through burning, which propels the pistons. Right? Wrong says DePalma. His understanding of the process is that the gasoline-air mixture, catalyzed by an electric spark, acts as a "molecular antenna" to release energy from space.

(Twilight Zone theme plays in background.)

28 posted on 10/04/2004 9:41:25 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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I don't dismiss anything in this realm out of hand. There's too many phemonema and not enough solid explanations. Tesla, especially, likely invented stuff we've never even thought of reproducing to this day.


29 posted on 10/04/2004 9:42:19 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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Hey, wasn't this a movie with Keanu Reeves?


30 posted on 10/04/2004 9:43:18 AM PDT by Thrusher (The timing of this post is suspicious.)
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Physicist; LogicWings; Doctor Stochastic; ..
Tinfoil, black helicopter Bermuda Triangle, junk science alert!
Science list Ping! This is an elite subset of the Evolution list.
See the list's description in my freeper homepage. Then FReepmail me to be added or dropped.
31 posted on 10/04/2004 9:45:56 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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This N-machine is covered in
The Homopolar Handbook: A Definitive Guide to Faraday Disk & N-Machine Technologies
by Thomas Valone.

Essentially, it performs exactly as the convential physics would suggest and there is no over-unity gain.

The part about the government confiscating a design may be true since the main use (in recent times) for these homopolar generators was to power rail guns during Reagan's Strategic Defense Initiative (Star Wars).


32 posted on 10/04/2004 9:47:39 AM PDT by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

bump


33 posted on 10/04/2004 9:48:10 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: escapefromboston; camle

Think outside the box for a moment. A heat pump seemingly generates more heating/cooling than the energy required. But the heat pump moves heat rather than creating it from the input energy.


34 posted on 10/04/2004 9:51:09 AM PDT by Techster
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
Bump
To read later
35 posted on 10/04/2004 9:52:49 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-
His astonishing claim is that the present versions of the N machine can generate up to five times more power than it consumes.

And all he has to do is turn it on and the government won't let him.

Not this sh!t again.

36 posted on 10/04/2004 9:52:59 AM PDT by VadeRetro (A self-reliant conservative citizenry is a better bet than the subjects of an overbearing state. -MS)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

Time for the crackpot index.
Anyone ready to calculate the index for this "invention"?

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html


37 posted on 10/04/2004 9:54:41 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: Techster

"outside the box thinking" is precisely what con artists want you to engage in whenever they come up with some scheme like this.

nobody was ever too SMART to be scammed, but there were/are a lot of people too DUMB to be taken in. One of the first thing a scammer will do is compliment your intelligence.

the more I think about this the less convinced I am as to it's authenticity. does this guy use a tinfoil hat to keep the government off his case?


38 posted on 10/04/2004 9:57:03 AM PDT by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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The guy should definately turn it on ... right after posting the plans to the internet if he is that worried about black helicopter stuff.


40 posted on 10/04/2004 9:59:15 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Truth, Justice and the Texan Way)
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To: Techster
I actually haven't read the article yet, i was just posting so I could read it later. The TinFoil hat comment comes from the fact that we have all seen books about "free energy" from Nikola Tesla who lives in a mountain built by ancient people from Atlantis.
42 posted on 10/04/2004 10:00:17 AM PDT by escapefromboston
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To: Servant of the 9

I'm not wearing tinfoil and I can think of reasons to keep anything of this nature under wraps from a national security standpoint. The best is that you want your opponent to know enough about what you got to deter them from aggression. If deterence fails, you want to have enough in your back pocket to obliterate them. If such a fallback measure depended on something wild like this, you wouldn't want you oppenents to know it is possible beforehand - such knowledge would allow them to duplicate or negate your advantage.


43 posted on 10/04/2004 10:05:25 AM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Buy American, the Nation you save may be your own)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

THX.

One of best I've read and a good summary/overview, to me.

Appreciated the info on Japan and India which I had not been aware of, before.


44 posted on 10/04/2004 10:06:52 AM PDT by Quix (PRAYERS 4 PRES, FAMILY, ADVISORS N OUR REPUBLIC IN OCT MAY BE VITALLY CRUCIAL)
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To: camle

Outside the box gave us radio, television, the wheel, car, airplane, ....... Take a look at the following:

http://www.cheniere.org/

It uses the heat pump as a comparison.


45 posted on 10/04/2004 10:07:38 AM PDT by Techster
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To: null and void

46 posted on 10/04/2004 10:08:39 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (President Kerry - - there, scared ya didn't I?)
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To: Question Liberal Authority; hchutch
At least one inventor had his device confiscated by the Defense Department on the grounds that its free energy technology endangered national security interests. This inventor was put under a gag order, so that he could not even tell the press that his N machine had been confiscated.

Then how did the author of the article find out about it?

TWEET! UNAUTHORIZED USE OF LOGIC AND COMMON SENSE, 15 YARDS, FIRST DOWN!

47 posted on 10/04/2004 10:10:02 AM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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You Know I actually work in a machine shop in Goleta, Ca. in 1975-81 and there was this machinist turning this giant rare earth magnet and making a giant wood housing for it. We were pretty pissed off at the guy as he magnetized the lathe thoroughly. It must be the invention.


48 posted on 10/04/2004 10:10:12 AM PDT by ppptop
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self ping for later bump!


49 posted on 10/04/2004 10:10:25 AM PDT by MonroeDNA (Kerry is a traitor)
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To: -=[_Super_Secret_Agent_]=-

If any of these schemes were real, no inventor would keep it from the world for any reason. And no government could stop them from sharing it with the world. Any excuses to the contrary are lies.


50 posted on 10/04/2004 10:12:19 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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