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Obama defends his religious views, values
St Louis Post-Dispatch ^ | Kevin McDermott

Posted on 10/06/2004 7:08:03 AM PDT by SJackson

NAPERVILLE, Ill. - In a U.S. Senate race that looks increasingly like a grand philosophical debate about religion and government, Democrat Barack Obama stood before a packed church Tuesday and argued the case for keeping the two separate.

As Exhibit A, he held up his Republican opponent: "It's not clear to me that I want Alan Keyes telling me what it means to be a Christian," Obama said.

Obama, currently a state senator representing a Chicago district, and Keyes, a conservative activist recruited from Maryland by the Illinois GOP, are vying for the U.S. Senate seat being vacated by Sen. Peter Fitzgerald, R-Ill.

It's a contest that that has veered from Illinois' generally secular approach to politics, due mostly to Keyes' openly Christian-based campaign. Keyes kicked off his candidacy in August with a speech promising a "victory . . . for God" and has since focused on quasi-religious issues like opposition to abortion rights and gay marriage.

Obama's campaign has been mostly focused on more pragmatic issues like health care and education reform. But on Tuesday, at an interfaith forum on "faith and public policy" in the Chicago suburb of Naperville, Obama turned to more divine topics.

"My Christianity has been challenged," said Obama, referring to Keyes and other conservative critics who allege Obama "hasn't taken the appropriate stances on a woman's right to choose . . . or gays and lesbians."

(Excerpt) Read more at stltoday.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
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1 posted on 10/06/2004 7:08:04 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson

In a U.S. Senate race that looks increasingly like a grand philosophical debate about religion and government, Democrat Barack Obama stood before a packed church Tuesday and argued the case for keeping the two separate.

Explain that one on Judgement Day.


2 posted on 10/06/2004 7:11:35 AM PDT by MadAnthony1776
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To: SJackson

I thought Obama was a Muslim.


3 posted on 10/06/2004 7:15:33 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: fishtank
I thought Obama was a Muslim.

A lot of people think that. I can only wonder why.

4 posted on 10/06/2004 7:19:58 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: fishtank
There's a certain method in islam that allows them to fool the infidels by pretending to be something that they are not. As long as it is used to hurt the infidels in any way it is blessed by the islam-a-nazis.
5 posted on 10/06/2004 7:23:31 AM PDT by fella
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To: fishtank; newgeezer; fella

In the article, Obama states that he is a member of the United Church of Christ. As it happens, their HQ is on Michigan Ave. in Chicago. They are non-orthodox when it comes to homosexuals, female clergy, etc.


6 posted on 10/06/2004 7:29:26 AM PDT by RonF
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To: newgeezer

Barack is either an Arabic or Hebrew name. I don't think he's an Ethiopian Jew....


7 posted on 10/06/2004 7:46:01 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: fishtank
I thought Obama was a Muslim.

That rumor is frequently propogated on FR. I've seen no evidence.

I have to admit that, as an electoral issue, the fact that Obama belongs to the United Church of Christ and Keye's is a "cradle Catholic" isn't particularly important.

Obama is a member of the United Church of Christ, a liberal branch of Christianity that ordains women, gays and lesbians. "I am a Christian," Obama told the Naperville gathering, but added he wasn't raised in a religious household. "I came to Christ late in my life."

Keyes is "Roman-Catholic born," said Hair, his spokeswoman. "He's a 'cradle-Catholic.' "

8 posted on 10/06/2004 7:46:46 AM PDT by SJackson (They're not Americans. They're just journalists, Col George Connell, USMC)
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To: sheik yerbouty
Prejudice can certainly give the wrong impression.
9 posted on 10/06/2004 7:59:08 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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To: newgeezer

Obama himself can clarifty the matter. And yes, after 9/11, I am somewhat prejudicial in these matters. My liberal credentials will be taken away, except for the fact THAT I NEVER HAD ANY!


10 posted on 10/06/2004 8:04:26 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: SJackson
The United Church of Christ, of which Obama is a member, is a pseudo-church. And it is unrelated to other Churches of Christ.

This "church" (think ACLU version of church) tries to exploit the gullible into believing the UCC represents Christian views. Their doctrines are blatantly anti-Christian and unbiblical.

These are wolves in sheep's clothing, false teachers, false apostles, false prophets, who promote the false gospel of a false Christ. They are Anathema Maranatha.
11 posted on 10/06/2004 8:10:16 AM PDT by unlearner
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To: unlearner
The United Church of Christ, of which Obama is a member, is a pseudo-church. And it is unrelated to other Churches of Christ.

Still not a reason not to vote for him.

12 posted on 10/06/2004 8:33:48 AM PDT by SJackson (They're not Americans. They're just journalists, Col George Connell, USMC)
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To: sheik yerbouty
Here's the Wikipedia bio, there are a multitude of bios on the web, and his biography if you care to read it. He says Barack is Swahili.
13 posted on 10/06/2004 8:37:03 AM PDT by SJackson (They're not Americans. They're just journalists, Col George Connell, USMC)
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To: SJackson

I'll check it out.


14 posted on 10/06/2004 8:50:13 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: MadAnthony1776
Explain that one on Judgement Day.

God is against the 1st Amendment?

15 posted on 10/06/2004 11:06:44 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: fella; fishtank
There's a certain method in islam that allows them to fool the infidels by pretending to be something that they are not. As long as it is used to hurt the infidels in any way it is blessed by the islam-a-nazis.

Can you provide the least shred of evidence that Obama is a closet Muslim?

Do you know anything about his religious background at all?

16 posted on 10/06/2004 11:08:44 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: sheik yerbouty
Barack is either an Arabic or Hebrew name. I don't think he's an Ethiopian Jew....

His name is from the Swahili language.

17 posted on 10/06/2004 11:09:37 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: malakhi

What I meant is you can't claim to be a Christian and turn your head to abortion, homosexuality, etc. Read your bible. You will have to answer for that on judgement day. If you believe God thinks you can turn your head fine but I don't believe that to be the case.


18 posted on 10/06/2004 3:20:23 PM PDT by MadAnthony1776
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