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NY Times Reporter Judith Miller Ordered To Jail.
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Posted on 10/07/2004 5:14:08 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55

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To: liberallarry
The link is at #132. They referred to it as the investigation into who gave the name of a C.I.A. operative to the columnist Robert Novak.

And I had asserted that They did indeed call for an investigation of the Novak "leak" .

And so they did.

141 posted on 10/08/2004 8:25:41 AM PDT by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: cyncooper
What Kinsley says is that the apparent contradiction can be resolved by recognizing that a reporter's right to protect his sources is not absolute, that it serves a purpose and when that purpose is not served (he gives specific, relevant examples) the reporter has no right.

What you've said is that the Times doesn't recognize the contradiction but simply asserts the right in a partisan manner, inconsistantly and hypocritically.

So what does the Times say? Where's the link that will resolve the dispute?

since I have pointed out that evidence to date points to the Plame role was given by way of explanation, not retaliation.

This was my initial interpretation. It does not sit well with the continued silence of the sources...so I've come up with two alternate interpretations

1)The White House IS seriously involved
2)Top CIA people outed one of their own. Maybe not deliberately, maybe only in a moment of anger at the grief caused them by Wilson, but while this could be regarded as a minor slip by others it would be a serious, punishable breach by them.

142 posted on 10/08/2004 8:31:00 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: cyncooper
They didn't specifically ask Novak to reveal his sources in that article did they? And since they didn't they don't address the question of how Novak should behave in such circumstances. Therefore it's not possible to decide whether you or Kinsley better characterizes them.

No link. Just more BS.

143 posted on 10/08/2004 8:35:54 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: ConservativeMan55

LOL! Now we KNOW it was a Demcrat who leaked because NO reporter would go to jail for a Republcan!


144 posted on 10/08/2004 8:39:15 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: the Real fifi
The kneejerk response on this thread is astonishing.

It's a little embarrassing, I don't think they know who she is or how she has been condemned by many on the left.

145 posted on 10/08/2004 8:46:23 AM PDT by Dolphy (It's not a plan, it's an echo.)
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To: liberallarry
What you've said is that the Times doesn't recognize the contradiction but simply asserts the right in a partisan manner, inconsistantly and hypocritically.

I said the NY Times was for the investigation when they were putting out that the WH "leaked" information to Novak. My point was the same as Kinsley's (in that narrow area).

146 posted on 10/08/2004 8:51:06 AM PDT by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: liberallarry
They didn't specifically ask Novak to reveal his sources in that article did they?

I said they supported the investigation into the issue of the Novak leak and I have shown that they did indeed do that. They are now complaining that apparently Fitzgerald has "expanded" his investigation and now that he's questioning their reporters they don't like it.

Where am I wrong?

I didn't say anything about they demanded Novak reveal his sources, but it's implicit in their support of the initial investigation.

147 posted on 10/08/2004 8:54:23 AM PDT by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: ConservativeMan55
"It's frankly frightening that just for doing my job and talking to government employees about public issues, I may be deprived of my freedom and family."

This just shows how clueless, or spining, she is. She isn't being jailed (assuming she loses the appeal) for talking to government employees, but rather for failing to testify in court. Freedom of the press means freedom to publish, nothing more. Anyone else can be jailed for refusing to testify (except against ones self or a spouse), and so called reporters are in no way special in this regard.

148 posted on 10/08/2004 9:07:18 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Can we put the "journalist" who called Bush the "worst President in history" in the LATimes in jail too? (Just for our own satisfaction.)


149 posted on 10/08/2004 9:11:04 AM PDT by I'm ALL Right! ("When the going gets weird, anchor men punt." - Dan Rather, election 2000)
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To: don-o
Freedom of the Press is the last right we have left really free.

Freedom of the press means freedom to publish, not freedom to withhold information in a criminal case. "The Press" has no more rights in this regard than anyone else. Does requiring them to reveal their sources make their job harder? Probably, but it also serves as a check on certain journalist excesses, like making things up out of whole cloth or publishing only those facts which support their preordained point of view.

150 posted on 10/08/2004 9:11:36 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Sounds like a good start; pity they can't jail 'em for lack of journalistic merit.


151 posted on 10/08/2004 9:27:14 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Pamlico

"Is there any way we can have the rest of the media arrested as well?


Do you feel that the media should not protect their sources?
I'm just curious.


152 posted on 10/08/2004 9:37:49 AM PDT by cyberwatcher
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To: cyberwatcher
Do you feel that the media should not protect their sources? I'm just curious.

Do you feel the media should be able to lie about those sources?

Just curious.

153 posted on 10/08/2004 9:39:34 AM PDT by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: robomurph; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; piasa; Shermy; cyncooper; ConservativeMan55
Correction

I should have attributed the question in italics to piasa.

Sorry

154 posted on 10/08/2004 9:54:03 AM PDT by robomurph
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To: ConservativeMan55

She has no "source". She is lying al la Jason Blair and made it up.


155 posted on 10/08/2004 9:56:59 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: ConservativeMan55

Same Judith Miller that co-wrote "GERMS: Biological Weapons and America's Secret War?" It was released just days prior to 9/11 and she was one of the 'experts' TV news went to for all things "Germs" just after 9/11 and running up to the war.


156 posted on 10/08/2004 9:57:08 AM PDT by zeaal (SPREAD TRUTH!)
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To: robomurph
Is it possible that the whole Plame "Outing" was engineered to create a leak scandal for the Bush administration and create a retirement enhancing book deal for a friend, Ambassador Wilson?

I think the "outing" could have just been petty on Novak's part. Also, the "outing" was a bump in the road for this Wilson/Kerry talking point plot, just like Bush mentioning "British" intelligence in the SOTU.

157 posted on 10/08/2004 11:09:06 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: ConservativeMan55
Judith Miller refuses to name her sources in the CIA Leak Case.

No doubt until after the election.

158 posted on 10/08/2004 11:49:25 AM PDT by Flashman_at_the_charge (A proud member of the self-preservation society)
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To: cyncooper
Where am I wrong?

I think you went wrong in assuming the Times would be so unprofessional and foolish as to ignore their self-interest.

They're biased in their choice of stories, in their choice of bad guys, in their choice of people to believe and not believe, and in other ways as well. But ignore the implications of asking that Novak out his sources?

Unlikely. Not that people don't do terribly stupid things. Of course they do. But in this case it's extremely unlikely.

159 posted on 10/08/2004 11:52:48 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry

I don't think I'm wrong. I think I'm right.


160 posted on 10/08/2004 12:00:46 PM PDT by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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