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Homosexual S&M part of Christianity? Religion 'scholars' ponder 'leather' as foundation ^ | Friday, October 8, 2004

Posted on 10/08/2004 2:59:29 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

An annual convention of American religion scholars from prominent institutions will feature sessions favorable toward sadomasochism, transvestism, transsexualism and polyamory – participation in multiple sexual relationships.

One paper scheduled to be presented interprets a passage in the book of Jeremiah "through the lens" of a sadomasochistic encounter between God and a man.

The presentations offered at the American Academy of Religion's 2004 Annual Meeting in San Antonio next month demonstrates that "bringing male homosexual behavior into the mainstream produces a slippery slope" that serves only to destroy basic societal norms rather than tame risky behavior, says Robert A. J. Gagnon, associate professor of New Testament at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary.

Two workshops on the sexual themes are being offered by the Gay Men's Issues in Religion Group at the meeting, scheduled for Nov. 20-23.

"One wonders what is next for the Gay Men's group at AAR – the promotion of incest, 'pedosexuality' and bestiality?" Gagnon asked in a written critique. "There is certainly little or nothing in the presenters' theology that would lead away from such ultimate absurdities."

Founded in 1909, the American Academy of Religion is the U.S. national umbrella organization for professors of religion, including church historians, theologians, ethicists and scholars in world religions. More than 7,500 scholars are expected to gather to share research and collaborate on projects.

Workshops will include a session with the theme "Power and Submission, Pain and Pleasure: The Religious Dynamics of Sadomasochism."

Another session presents arguments for transvestism and transsexualism in Christian theology.

At last year's meeting, the group presented a session titled "Love Is a Many Splendored Thing: Varied Views on Polyamory."

An abstract on the "Power and Submission" session says "sadomasochistic or bondage/dominance practice (sometimes also referred to as 'leather sexuality') ... offers a particularly potent location for reflecting on gay men's issues in religion."

A paper submitted for the session by Justin Tanis of Metropolitan Community Church is titled "Ecstatic Communion: The Spiritual Dimensions of Leathersexuality."

"This paper will ... look briefly at the ways in which leather is a foundation for personal and spiritual identity formation, creating a lens through which the rest of life is viewed. ... All of this based within the framework of a belief in the rights of individuals to erotic self-determination with other consenting adults, rather than apologetics for those practices and lives."

Another paper, by Thomas V. Peterson of Alfred University, titled "S/M Rituals in Gay Men's Leather Communities: Initiation, Power Exchange, and Subversion," uses "S/M rituals within the gay men's leather community to explore how ritual may subvert cultural icons of violence by eroticizing power."

"Those who exercise power and acquiesce to it in leather rituals meet as respected equals and negotiate the limitations of power according to mutual desires," the abstract of Peterson's paper says.

Ken Stone of Chicago Theological Seminary says a passage from the book of Jeremiah, chapter 20, verses 7-18, "can be construed more usefully as a kind of ritual S/M encounter between the male deity Yahweh and his male devotee."

"This possibility provides a lens with which to interpret both other passages in the book of Jeremiah and the dynamics of power and submission in religious experience," says the abstract to the paper, which is titled "'You Seduced Me, You Overpowered Me, and You Prevailed': Religious Experience and Homoerotic Sadomasochism in Jeremiah."

Timothy R. Koch of New Life Metropolitan Community Church offers a paper titled "Choice, Shame, and Power in the Construction of Sadomasochistic Theologies."

Essentially, Koch argues "sadomasochistic interactions" enable homosexual men to transcend "shamelessness."

"One of the constitutive elements of sado-masochistic interactions is the removal of the masochist’s choices, making it possible for both masochist and sadist to proceed in a spiritually powerful state of relative shamelessness," says the summary of Koch's paper. "These axes of choice, shame, and spiritual power are especially relevant to the experiences of gay men."

Julianne Buenting of Chicago Theological Seminary offers a paper titled "Oh, Daddy! God, Dominance/Submission, and Christian Sacramentality and Spirituality"

Buenting's piece "explores BDSM (bondage/dominance, sadomasochism) as potentially transformative encounter in relation to themes of trust and surrender, suffering and pleasure, self-shattering and self-donation found in Christian sacramentality and mystical spirituality ... ."

Finally, Kent Brintnall of Emory University presents "Rend(er)ing God's Flesh: The Body of Christ, Spectacles of Pain, and Trajectories of Desire."

"This paper substantiates the claim ... that sado-masochistic homoerotic desire is part of what makes the spectacle of the crucifixion attractive and desirable."

'Queer theology'

The Sunday session of the Gay Men's Issues in Religion Group devotes time to transvestitism.

Katharine Baker of Vanderbilt University offers a paper on The Transvestite Christ: Hedwig and the Angry Inch Perform Queer Theology."

"In the rock musical Hedwig & The Angry Inch, Hedwig, the protagonist, re-signifies his identity through gender-bending transvestism and doctrine-deconstructing re-appropriation of Christian theology. This essay documents his evolution in the terms of Bourdieu, Butler and Queer Theology."

In a session at last year's meeting, Chicago Theological Seminary's Buenting offered "(Marriage) Queered: Proposing Polyfidelity As Christian Theo-Praxis."

"Lesbian-gay-bisexual-transgender (LGBT) political advocacy ... have reflected the unexamined assumption that monogamy is the sole and ideal pattern for Christian sexual relationships. This paper troubles that assumption. ... I conclude by proposing polyfidelity as a queer Christian sexual theo-praxis of marriage."

Gagnon commented that at least the writer is honest, acknowledging a "'queer' theology and praxis leads to a view of 'polyfidelity' over monogamy as a new Christian model for marriage."

"Since the notion of monogamy, one partner, is predicated on the notion of the two sexes, the eradication of any significance to sexual differentiation obliterates the model of marriage as a covenant restricted to two persons," Gagnon says. "Evidently for the presenter, fidelity has nothing to do with sexual exclusiveness."

In another paper presented last year, Robert E. Goss of Webster University, in "Proleptic Sexual Love: God's Promiscuity Reflected in Christian Polyamory," argued "Christian religious communities, with their erotic and polyamorous relationships, symbolize the breadth of God’s inclusive and promiscuous love."

Jay E. Johnson of Richmond, Calif., wrote in "Trinitarian Tango: Divine Perichoretic Fecundity in Polyamorous Relations" that "Christian traditions abruptly stop short of applying this Trinitarian logic to human sexuality."

"It is well worth asking whether polyamorous sexual relations reflect the 'imago Dei' – indeed, the 'imago Trinitate' – better than the dyadic model of romantic love, commonly constructed as the Christian ideal."

No understanding

Gagnon says these sessions present no understanding "of the notion of structural prerequisites to sexual relationships. Eroticism and sexual intercourse is nothing more than greater intimacy. The conclusion following from the premise is inevitable: Then intimacy with one's parents and children should be ever open to the 'logical' progression of sexual intimacy. For sexual intimacy is for the presenters merely more love. Spread it around."

"Jesus' view of the relationship of love and sexual intercourse was obviously very different," Gagnon said. "For while Jesus expanded the definition of love to embrace everyone he narrowed the definition of acceptable sexual intimacy to embrace only one person of the other sex for life."

He asks: "Who is missing something here? Jesus or the Gay Men's group at AAR?"

The AAR says it has received support from a number of foundations, including the Lilly Endowment Inc., the National Endowment for the Humanities, the Henry Luce Foundation, the Booth Ferris Foundation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, and the Fund for the Improvement of Postsecondary Education.

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1 posted on 10/08/2004 2:59:29 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2

Someday, they'll get to ask God Himself if their theory was right.

2 posted on 10/08/2004 3:03:51 AM PDT by Salamander (Parasites of the Appalachians)
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To: JohnHuang2

Okay, note to self:

Remember to have no respect for the 'American Academy of Religion'.

Also, remember to laugh at them regularly.

3 posted on 10/08/2004 3:04:06 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Gots no time for jibba-jabba.)
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To: JohnHuang2


O Brave New World to have such people in it. (rolleyes)

4 posted on 10/08/2004 3:05:11 AM PDT by kb2614 ( You have everything to fear, including fear itself. - The new DNC slogan)
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To: JohnHuang2

(Jer 20:7 KJV) O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived: thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me.

(Jer 20:8 KJV) For since I spake, I cried out, I cried violence and spoil; because the word of the LORD was made a reproach unto me, and a derision, daily.

(Jer 20:9 KJV) Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But his word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not stay.

(Jer 20:10 KJV) For I heard the defaming of many, fear on every side. Report, say they, and we will report it. All my familiars watched for my halting, saying, Peradventure he will be enticed, and we shall prevail against him, and we shall take our revenge on him.

(Jer 20:11 KJV) But the LORD is with me as a mighty terrible one: therefore my persecutors shall stumble, and they shall not prevail: they shall be greatly ashamed; for they shall not prosper: their everlasting confusion shall never be forgotten.

(Jer 20:12 KJV) But, O LORD of hosts, that triest the righteous, and seest the reins and the heart, let me see thy vengeance on them: for unto thee have I opened my cause.

(Jer 20:13 KJV) Sing unto the LORD, praise ye the LORD: for he hath delivered the soul of the poor from the hand of evildoers.

(Jer 20:14 KJV) Cursed be the day wherein I was born: let not the day wherein my mother bare me be blessed.

(Jer 20:15 KJV) Cursed be the man who brought tidings to my father, saying, A man child is born unto thee; making him very glad.

(Jer 20:16 KJV) And let that man be as the cities which the LORD overthrew, and repented not: and let him hear the cry in the morning, and the shouting at noontide;

(Jer 20:17 KJV) Because he slew me not from the womb; or that my mother might have been my grave, and her womb to be always great with me.

(Jer 20:18 KJV) Wherefore came I forth out of the womb to see labour and sorrow, that my days should be consumed with shame?



Ummm, This is an S&M account?

5 posted on 10/08/2004 3:11:54 AM PDT by RaceBannon (KERRY FLED . . . WHILE GOOD MEN BLED!!)
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To: JohnHuang2

I quit going to church and only go to home bible studies.

6 posted on 10/08/2004 3:19:34 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rather calls Saddam "Mister President" and calls President Bush "bush")
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To: RaceBannon

It is if you don't bother to read the Bible. That way you can just make crap up.

7 posted on 10/08/2004 3:48:16 AM PDT by kb2614 ( You have everything to fear, including fear itself. - The new DNC slogan)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Me, too..I was always taught that in the "last days" before Christ returns, the true church will be forced, through persecution, to go underground. What we are seeing is a drastic transformation within the church by those who distort the central core issues set forth in the Scripture about how we should live. I believe that severe consequences in response to the widespread breaking of the 10 Commandments are built into creation and, in my opinion, those will come about. All we have to do is read the Old Testament to discover what happens to a nation which turns away from God...

8 posted on 10/08/2004 3:50:14 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: jazzlite

bump for later

9 posted on 10/08/2004 3:51:09 AM PDT by Hawkeye
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To: JohnHuang2

Um... how very, very bizarre.

10 posted on 10/08/2004 4:07:16 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Why are we in Iraq? Just point the whiners here:
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To: JohnHuang2

Sounds like the Cult of Clintonism, religion of sex.

11 posted on 10/08/2004 4:12:44 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: newzjunkey

Where do they find these people. Sick!

12 posted on 10/08/2004 4:13:16 AM PDT by daddyOwe (If God wanted me to be a liberal he would of given me less brains)
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To: daddyOwe

They're all over the place. Some of them are in your kid's public school:

13 posted on 10/08/2004 4:22:54 AM PDT by ladylib
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To: JohnHuang2

I think these people are in for a very rude awakening when they meet their Maker. They are purposefully twisting His Word to validate and excuse their own sin. "Ignorance" will be no excuse!

14 posted on 10/08/2004 5:00:18 AM PDT by Gritty ("Without God there could be no American form of government nor way of life-Dwight D. Eisenhower)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Well, that is a perfect description of the gathering together of the "church", which is not a literal building. The early church consisted of small home gatherings of believers (the church).

15 posted on 10/08/2004 5:18:10 AM PDT by Twinkie
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To: RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; OrthodoxPresbyterian
An 'ugh' bump. Maybe someone can ping the Swarm and the usual suspects.

Well, we Calvinists knew this was coming. No surprise here.

I thought they'd start a little tamer than this. But it seems that they're using the shock value of their 'theology' as an assault tactic. Admittedly, some of these seminars would leave the average Christian almost speechless.
16 posted on 10/08/2004 5:27:10 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush; xzins; RnMomof7
Admittedly, some of these seminars would leave the average Christian almost speechless.

Frankly... that's exactly why I consider this a good and happy and serendipitous development.

"The Spiritual Dimensions of Leathersexuality" doesn't win these folks any converts to their cause. It simply sharpens the Threshing Sledge between Christianity and Anti-Christianity, and gives the lie to the false idol of Ecumenicism and its apostles.

17 posted on 10/08/2004 5:32:52 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty)
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To: scripter; EdReform

Here's one for the archive and your ping lists.

18 posted on 10/08/2004 5:35:55 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
"The Spiritual Dimensions of Leathersexuality" doesn't win these folks any converts to their cause.

Not really. But it serves a different purpose.

The objective here is to get people to discuss it, to talk and talk and talk about it. And then to desensitize it. Then, finally, they'll just be weary of haggling over it and give in.

And of course, among the uber-liberal Arminian types, they rush to embrace this kind of cutting-edge Christian doctrine. It's almost like a competition for them.

As usual, you'll see Calvinists and Baptists as the only ones who will staunchly hold the line against this antichrist 'doctrine'.

"Well, I'm not sure they're right but we really should discuss it...".

19 posted on 10/08/2004 5:41:54 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: ladylib

Am I a bad parent because I refuse to teach my children tolerance to this stuff?

20 posted on 10/08/2004 5:46:08 AM PDT by daddyOwe (If God wanted me to be a liberal he would of given me less brains)
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