MSM Bias - Counterstrike

10-0804 | Covenantor

[Covenantor]

This latest public revelation by the MSM coup plotters as revealed by Drudge requires a massive response. Pondering that response lead me to consider how most quickly and effectively this might be achieved. Advertiser boycotts require relatively massive efforts as well as avoiding products that one might need to use in any case. Such boycotts are at heart intended to move advertising dollars away from the coup-plotters pocket books.

Here's an idea that might have some merit. Rather than reaching out to the advertisers reach out to the Nielsen Media ratings system. They are the ones that report the number of viewers based upon a mere 5000 households. It is these ratings that determine the the desired market shares and the cost of attendant advertising dollars.

I purpose that we e-mail, snail mail, telephone Nielsen to inform them that our housholds no longer watch any shows on a given network, that we have taken ourselves out of the market place for any advertisers on that network and that their dollars are therefore wasted. The advertisers will have to try to find another way of reaching us.

Consider that 5000 household viewing patterns determine the rates that networks can charge their advertisers perhaps 10,000 or more letters of independence just might shake these sob's out of their smug arrogance.

I assume that FReepers are for the most part among those most desired by advertisers so maybe we can have a quick effect.

I sugggest that any contacts be polite, giving the reasons, and maybe some market info, such sex, age group, profession, etc.

Just let them know we're not home whent they come calling.

Any thoughts?

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[Covenantor]

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[TIElniff]

What does "MSM" stand for?

[Covenantor]

MSM = main stream media, i.e. the old media

[HollywoodRepublican]

I'm in a part of the media industry that relies a great deal on consumer ratings numbers (not Nielsen's), and I'm afraid this simply wouldn't have any effect.

Nielsen and other ratings companies base their reports on a representative, volunteer panel, whether electronically monitored or (far more usual) self-reporting their habits in handwritten "diaries." The services base their numbers on what these panels say, extrapolating ratings numbers from the electronic measurements and self-reports.

If Nielsen starts getting letters from people saying they're not watching certain programming, there's no way for Nielsen to report that or account for it in its numbers. It could pass the info along to its network customers, but it might or might not do that.

It's a good thought, but I don't believe it would help. Writing to the people providing the crappy biased programming, their affiliate stations (include affiliate radio stations that carry ABC news in that too) and -- most to the point of all -- their advertisers would do more good.

[Wings-n-Wind]

Thanks for the addresses....
Worth a stamp to try....

Blessings...

[JayNorth]

MSM = main stream media, i.e. the old media

Affectionately known as the "lamestream media" around these parts.

[Covenantor]

I understand the Nielsen system. Their own web site goes into detail about how the ratings are derived. It's based on the assumption that the 5000 (their number) households using the box and or journals are true sample representations of the general population viewing television only.

Now I admit I don't know what quantity of letters would constitute a tipping point.

The purpose is to to force a review of their methods. If the advertising engine which feeds the old media no longer trusts the numbers of projected audience at the outrageous air time fees those advertisers will seek other venues, print, radio, direct mail etc.

Those ratings are effective only insofar as the advertisers have confidence that markets are fairly accurately assessed. If that confidence is shaken, they will demand lower rates or seek the other venues.

So I'm suggesting that 10,000 or more letters may indeed have an effect in shaking that confidence and the foundation of the old networks.

How much of an effort is it to send that e-mail, snail mail or to make that phone call? In light of the very blatant bias and outright lying by the network news programs do we wait until CBS's panel of two absolves them months after the election or do we try everything that we can to tell them:

Hey ABC, CBS, and NBC...don't come knocking 'cuz we ain't home for you any more.

[El Gato]

The article Covenator is referring to is http://www.drudgereport.com/mh.htm

[Covenantor]

Thanks...I forgot to make the link.

[Dan45]

Outstanding concept! We need to stay organized on this. Regardless of the outcome of the election, the media powers that be need to know we will no longer put up with media bias effecting the future of our country.

[Covenantor]

That right....take them off the game board.

[El Gato]

From the ABC news memo:But as one of the few news organizations with the skill and strength to help voters evaluate what the candidates are saying to serve the public interest

IOW, Ms. Mrs. and Mr. America, we'll tell you what to think, and who to vote for. (Kerry of course.)

[federal]

bookmark

[fight_truth_decay]

info@nielsenmedia.com.

[oldbrowser]

We need to complain to the FCC.

[VOA]

What I think is interesting is that Peter Jennings was
crowing about how ABC wasn't talking to spin-meisters after the Vice-Pres.
debate...instead they talked to a totally unbiased commentator....
MARK HALPERIN

You can tell when a journalist is lying...just use the same test applied to lawyers.

[Travis McGee]

Who's MSM?

(Just kidding.)

[Covenantor]

yeah ;>)

Cut off the supply trains...free market excercise.

What's the quote about those who study tactics and then those that study logistics?

[Covenantor]

Do you think they might have missed the Drudge report?Being so self-inolved and all.

;>)

[VOA]

Do you think they might have missed the Drudge report?Being so self-inolved and all.

If so, it could be a case of them still being occupied with sacrificing chickens
(and examining the entrails like the Romans) in hopes of getting past RatherGate.

[Travis McGee]

Pros and amateurs, I believe.

[El Gato]

What's the quote about those who study tactics and then those that study logistics?

"Amatuers study tactics, professionals study logistics." Source unknown (and probably lost to antiquity) There are slight variations about as well, such as replacing "study" with "talk about" or "think about".

[Free Trapper]

I'm having trouble finding the original thread about this that was hot just before the debate.

Seems like we should be keeping it bumped up while a lot of folks are reading FR now that the debate's over.

Anyone have a link?

[Covenantor]

I think there were several..all citing Matt Drudge headline piece.

CONTROVERSY HITS ABC NEWS POLITICAL DIRECTOR MARK HALPERIN

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1239519/posts

[Covenantor]

Drudge
http://www.drudgereport.com/mh.htm

[Free Trapper]

Thanks,C.

I guess everyone's so tickled with the debate that this report of bias will be put on a back burner for a little bit till the celebrating's over. :)

Media bias,vote fraud and voter intimidation have me so mad I can hardly think straight.We need to to stop and smell the roses while we can,I reckon.

[Covenantor]

Yeah...the debate is the e-ticket tonight. I was just so ticked over the Drudge report that I posted directly. I've been doing some more thinking and will attend to this over the weekend.

Thanks for the bump.

[HollywoodRepublican]

But if 5,000 volunteers makes a statistically valid sample, it's not going to stop being valid just because Nielsen gets letters. The underlying methodology is either valid or it isn't. Advertisers believe that it is, which is all that matters to TV and to Nielsen. Should Nielsen receive thousands of letters declaring a boycott, it and its clients will simply wait to see if the boycott shows up in the ratings. If it doesn't, Nielsen and its clients will conclude that if there is a boycott, it is of no statistical significance.

It's not important, of course, that I in particular get the point of what you have in mind -- I just offer the perspective of someone who works on the edge of a ratings-driven industry.

[Mia T]

 We will not "reflexively and artificially," but rather rationally and naturally, hold both networks "equally accountable"
The people's responsibility has "become quite grave."

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[hosepipe]

[ I purpose that we e-mail, snail mail, telephone Nielsen to inform them that our housholds no longer watch any shows on a given network, that we have taken ourselves out of the market place for any advertisers on that network and that their dollars are therefore wasted. The advertisers will have to try to find another way of reaching us. ]

That assumes Neilson CARES... They do their 5000 household bit to the {they say} intended market.. Judgeing from the TV programs they "support" with their "ratings".. They are as honest as say, the DNC... Actually Neilson should be looked at as another propaganda arm of the DNC.. those "letter" most likely would be sumarily trash with huge guffaws of laughter.. Can you hear the echos of "Republicans they just don't get it".. and they would be right.. Republicans do seem to be the Dudly Doo-Rights of espionage ill equiped to understand abject evil.. or ANY Conspiracy.