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CALIFORNIA MAN WHO BEHEADED DOG SENTENCED TO 25 YEARS TO LIFE
AP Breaking News ^ | 8 October 2004

Posted on 10/08/2004 9:29:52 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

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To: robertpaulsen
I don't deny they the dog suffered at all. However, farm animals do too, both on the farm through harsh winters and when they are butchered.

We do not arrest individuals in slaughterhouses for killing animals nor do we send you to jail for killing a rodent in your home.

To be consistent, all people who kill an animal should be sent before a judge for animal cruelty.

After all, is it an inherently "kind" thing to kill a steer?

You guys call yourselves "conservatives"? Get real.
41 posted on 10/08/2004 10:10:16 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: ScottM1968

I have the very same thinking as you, when it comes to animals.

Grew up on a farm too. Have the best respect and love of animals. Just don't see them as human.


42 posted on 10/08/2004 10:11:48 PM PDT by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: lawdog
Well then, we should have an "involuntary animal cruelty" charge to be consistent with "intent".

Your words are silly and without merit.
43 posted on 10/08/2004 10:12:15 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I think he should be mauled by Pit Bulls for 25 years.

Seriously, he should be the tackling dummy for the local police department's K-9 corps.

44 posted on 10/08/2004 10:12:29 PM PDT by magellan
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To: ScottM1968

In California dogs are considered "property"- "real property". So it is a property crime committed with violence.


45 posted on 10/08/2004 10:14:06 PM PDT by lawdog
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To: Happygal

There are some truly "nutty" people on this forum claiming to be conservatives.

And I shouldn't be surprised that "Mr. Law" is one of them.


46 posted on 10/08/2004 10:14:10 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: ScottM1968

But we don't do we ?


47 posted on 10/08/2004 10:14:43 PM PDT by lawdog
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To: ScottM1968
We should handle such transgressions through social scorn and not our judicial system.

While at the same time we can all hold hands and sing Kumbaya. That will certainly teach those bad people who abuse animals a lesson.

48 posted on 10/08/2004 10:14:56 PM PDT by usadave
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To: lawdog

Again, this should not be a felony charge. I could understand a misdemeanor with a fine but nothing more.

If I really wanted to be cruel to a mouse, it is no one's property and I would still be tried under the same animal cruelty charge there.

So it is likely not only a simple property violation claim.


49 posted on 10/08/2004 10:17:26 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

You don't live in CAlifornia where the courts and the prisons let folks out of the big pen all too soon...In texas and other reasonable places this guy wouldn't have been out on the streets to even commit this awful act. I am glad he is going away for the rest of his life and I am happy that my taxes will go for his incarceration....It is his history of previous violent crimes that earned him the dubious distinction....Look if you don't want to go to jail don't commit a crime OK???


50 posted on 10/08/2004 10:17:28 PM PDT by jnarcus
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To: BipolarBob
Beheading a dog does not strike me as the act of a stable person. Many serial killers exhibit the same traits, if you check their history.

So the fact that psychologists think he might have shown a "warning sign" for committing future crimes is reason to punish him now? Punish him more severely for this crime because of a future act which has not yet happened, and may never happen?

51 posted on 10/08/2004 10:19:14 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: SteveMcKing

Assault with a deadly weapon in 1986 and those were the days when everything was being bargained down


52 posted on 10/08/2004 10:19:40 PM PDT by jnarcus
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To: sinkspur

"He should be on his knees thanking God that the German Shepherd was not mine.

I'd have shot him, cold, and never thought a thing about it, had he beheaded my dog."

I agree. I think much more highly of my dogs than most humans I know. They were/are intelligent, honest, loyal, protective, and consistent Republicans. What more could one ask in a friend?


53 posted on 10/08/2004 10:20:13 PM PDT by labard1
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To: ScottM1968
Again, this should not be a felony charge.

Three strikes, Scotty. The fact that he's still breathing after beheading a dog ought to be some comfort to him as he becomes someone's girlfriend.

54 posted on 10/08/2004 10:20:17 PM PDT by sinkspur ("I exist in the fevered swamps of traditional arcana. "--Cardinal Fanfani)
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To: lawdog
With your friends in the ABA, there is no reason to believe that "involuntary animal cruelty" is not a law that would be sought.

If I intend to be kind to your animal by putting it out of its misery because of your improper care, my kind "intent" will not keep me from going to jail.

Again, you need to reexamine your understanding of law.
55 posted on 10/08/2004 10:20:43 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: sinkspur; ScottM1968

I've watched my uncle shoot his best farm dog (and his best friend..truth be told). He had that dog for six or seven years. But one day, the dog was missing, and he couldn't find him. Next day, when he showed up, he had blood on his chops.

My uncle took down a rifle and shot him between the eyes. Crying when he did it.

But, he had no choice.

Law of the land.
He couldn't have a straying dog. Not in the country side.


56 posted on 10/08/2004 10:21:48 PM PDT by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: ScottM1968

What state do you live in moron? California has had a tough three strikes law for quite awhile now...If you don't want to go to jail don't be a felon with a violent rao sheet....You do not understand the current laws in Calikfornia so don't lecture on "hjow" it should have been charged...The man is a violent guy on antipsychotic drugs....locked away is the only SAFE place for him and US


57 posted on 10/08/2004 10:21:50 PM PDT by jnarcus
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To: unspun
"Three Strikes and You're Out" is arbitrary and unjust.

Criminals, when they commit their third strike, know that they already have two strikes against them. It really amazes me that these criminals don't seem to understand that the time has come to QUIT COMMITTING MORE CRIMES!

58 posted on 10/08/2004 10:23:07 PM PDT by usadave
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To: ScottM1968

Let's see, what about intentional "cruelty" makes one a true conservative ? Nope can't see it.


59 posted on 10/08/2004 10:23:15 PM PDT by lawdog
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Now, if he had beheaded his girlfriend, he won't have gotten off a lot easier. Dummy, what was he thinking?


60 posted on 10/08/2004 10:23:46 PM PDT by Wonderama (,)
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