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Teaching Islam in Public Schools
Kansas City Star (hat tip Little Green Footballs) ^

Posted on 10/10/2004 6:07:29 AM PDT by tdewey10

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To: tdewey10

"Unbelievable. I want to know if in addition to the Islamic "Call for Prayer" if they have a Catholic Mass, Christian Hymns, Jewish reading of the Torah. Somehow I think not.
I do not understand the liberal attempts to embrace Islam and allow it into public schools. Don't they get the fact that a hell of a lot of them want to kill us?
1 posted on 10/10/2004 6:07:30 AM PDT by tdewey10 "

Worth repeating. Odd, after WWII German and Japanese kids didn't come into U.S. public schools attempting to get children to embrace their cultures.


51 posted on 10/10/2004 7:27:00 AM PDT by SunnySide
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To: hometoroost

"Why isn't the American Criminal Liberties Union crying foul and filing suit to prevent this?"

Because they approve of it, it's part of their secular agenda


52 posted on 10/10/2004 7:28:21 AM PDT by SunnySide
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To: keyesguy
I certainly hope that they show the youngsters the tolerance and love of Islam by showing the video tapes of the beheading of innocents who did no wrong except believe in Christian American values. We are losing our country. It is time for action.
53 posted on 10/10/2004 7:33:39 AM PDT by mict42
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To: tdewey10

Gosh, if they really wanted to get into vocational training with this they could teach the kids how to wire up a bomb vest.


54 posted on 10/10/2004 7:34:19 AM PDT by dukeman
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To: tdewey10

"multicultural trainer Afeefa Syeed"


Afeeta Syeed is not a "multicultural trainer", but an "Moslem culture traniner". One of the big myths of "multiculturalism" is that the promotors of any particular foreign monoculture are "multiculturalists". The big proponents of [unfortunately increasingly] mainstream "multiculturalism" are either people who have no respect for the validity of their own culture [guilty and ignorant white liberals] and foreign monoculturalists who see something to gain.


55 posted on 10/10/2004 7:37:00 AM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux ("I'll have the moo goo gai pan without the pan, and some pans.")
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To: Wilhelm Tell

I also think a lot of leftists hope that if the Jihadists win, they will cut them some slack rather than cutting their throats because the left sided with the Jihadists and made their victory possible.""

In other words: Keep feeding the alligator in the hopes that he doesn't eat you.


56 posted on 10/10/2004 7:55:43 AM PDT by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: tdewey10
multicultural trainer Ah...just one of many reasons public schools are failing. They have political officers on staff.
57 posted on 10/10/2004 7:56:18 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: tdewey10; Annie03
Here is another example of why my wife and I have opted for Homeschool.
There is no accountability in Public school.
The State decides what your children will learn, including a value system which is opposite of the original American system of Individual rights and personal responsibility.
If education were privately run by free markets, we would have a system that holds schools responsible for the curriculum they espouse. Any parent would want the best possible education for their child, and would choose the school that best reflects their own values.
Schools that fail to educate would be driven out of business by lack of customers.
To anyone that thinks that education should not be run by profit-minded businessmen my answer is:I trust an honest man's profit motive far more than I trust a bureaucrat's lust for power.
A school is an institute that must think in the long term. A businessman knows that reputation is an invaluable tool of return business and new business by word-of-mouth. If he fails to give his best effort to the quality of his product, he will fail period.
Education is no different than manufacturing shoes, or cars, or any other product you can name. Reputable producers succeed. Others fail. It is precisely because education is so important that it should be taken out of the Statehouse and given over to the free market.
58 posted on 10/10/2004 8:15:35 AM PDT by dAnconia (When someone makes something idiot-proof, someone else will just make a better idiot.)
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To: Flash Bazbeaux
Afeeta Syeed is not a "multicultural trainer", but an "Moslem culture traniner".

The leftist lexicon is a treasure trove for the Mohammedans to mine. All a part of taqiyya, deception.

Faith Freedom International :: View topic - Taqiyya or kitman ...
... According to Christian ethics lying is a sin; In Islamic ... Taqiyya and the Deceptive
use of Jihad: The contemporary ... jihad is the fourth pillar of Islam and is a ...
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59 posted on 10/10/2004 8:43:52 AM PDT by dennisw (Gd is against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: tdewey10

"Educators cite Ramadan as a good opportunity to teach students about Islam and its practice."

Gee, and I there thought 9/11 was a good opportunity to teach students about Islam and its practice, not to mention the assorted sundry televised beheadings coming to a website near you each week, and the charming reports from Darfur, and so on.

I wonder how these folks handle the inconvenient later passages in the Qu'ran (and the corresponding invective from the Hadith) such as 47:4: "Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens", and 8:39: "And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere", and, from the Hadith, "The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews and the Muslims kill them, so that Jews will hide behind stones and trees and the Stone and the tree will say, O Muslim, O servant of God! There is a Jew behind me; come and kill him. The only exception will be the box-thorn for it is one of the trees of the Jews."


60 posted on 10/10/2004 9:14:37 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (You're it)
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61 posted on 10/10/2004 9:26:49 AM PDT by Boazo
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To: dennisw

Re: Taqiyya

Survellance for a hostage taking and murder mission?


62 posted on 10/10/2004 9:30:42 AM PDT by Selene
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To: hometoroost
Why isn't the American Criminal Liberties Union crying foul and filing suit to prevent this?

Because Jefferson never mentioned anything about "separation of mosque and state".

OK, I'm joshing...but only a little bit.
63 posted on 10/10/2004 9:30:47 AM PDT by VOA
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To: tdewey10
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64 posted on 10/10/2004 9:36:33 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: PattonReincarnated
We should teach our children about Islam. But, don't start with 9-11. Start with Mohammad.
There is plenty to learn that creates a perfect contrast to Jesus Christ.


Just make sure they mention that there are no pedophiles in Islam.
Seeing how Mohammed, the role model for Islamic manhood, married a nine-year old girl.

And that there is some tolerance in part of the Islamic world for NAMBLA-style practices.
As in the common practice of warlords taking young boy's favors in Kandahar
for centuries.
(That was a practice the Taliban stopped...but for pragmatic purposes because
some of the warlords were too busy contesting each other for the young males..
not doing the work of The Taliban.)
65 posted on 10/10/2004 9:37:03 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Selene
Deception is very common in Islamic war strategies. It is highly honored to win this way.

But  Taqiyya applies to deceiving the non Muslim about Islam and the true life and thoughts of the Muslim community. For instance when Muslims insisting that Jihad means inner struggle and that Osama Bin Ladin's terrorism is not a Jihad. Two years ago a Muslim student gave an address at Harvard graduation that the true meaning of Jihad is inner struggle. This is a lie. Jihad also has a true meaning of aggressive warfare.

 

 

Taqiyya
Taqiyya. In Islamic law and tradition, Taqiyya is the dissimulation of
one s religious beliefs to non-Muslims. It is most often ...
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66 posted on 10/10/2004 9:46:03 AM PDT by dennisw (Gd is against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: Boazo

67 posted on 10/10/2004 9:51:39 AM PDT by Boazo
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To: tdewey10

bump to me for later.


68 posted on 10/10/2004 9:52:54 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: VOA

http://biblia.com/islam/islam.htm

Good article on Islam, worth the time.


69 posted on 10/10/2004 11:26:28 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Vote Bush and Cheney in 2004. The American Way not the Islamofascist way.)
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To: tdewey10
thanks to a series of new teacher training initiatives, an increased fascination with Islam and the assurance that schools, if careful, can educate impressionable children about religion without crossing a constitutional line.

If it's not possible for Christianity, it certainly isn't possible for a movement which seriously can be challenged as being a religion at all.
If I had school-age children, I would challenge this in the loudest and most serious way. I would particularly identify who was the genius who came up with the idea. And if passing the buck becomes the answer, go as far up in state government as necessary until the moron is found.

70 posted on 10/10/2004 11:35:24 AM PDT by Publius6961 (I, also, don't do diplomacy.)
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To: tdewey10
There is nothing wrong with learning about different cultural tradition and religion. But, it should be mixed with a healthy dose of Christianity, Judaism and Eastern religions.
71 posted on 10/10/2004 11:40:11 AM PDT by Porterville (NEED SOME WOOD?)
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To: combat_boots

That is a good point, I think they should teach about all those things.


72 posted on 10/10/2004 11:41:11 AM PDT by Porterville (NEED SOME WOOD?)
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To: tdewey10
Muslim educators note tremendous progress in education about Ramadan and Islam in general in public schools, particularly since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 — perpetrated by extremist Muslims — brought Islam into the national spotlight.

great. rewarding and encouraging horrible behavior.

73 posted on 10/10/2004 11:41:43 AM PDT by wildwood
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To: Publius6961
WHERE are the Psychiatrists and Psychologists speaking out about how Islam is a religion of Child Abuse? How can they remain quiet when the worst Child Abuse is the mental abuse of watching your father having his head sawn off. Or being a child who watches his playmate killed? WHERE is the protest? Where are the letters calling for the Iraqi's to think about their children? Something just doesn't ring true when educated doctors do not speak out. Islam should not be taught in the schools unless graphic photos are included in the 'educational process.'
74 posted on 10/10/2004 12:12:42 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (Vote Bush and Cheney in 2004. The American Way not the Islamofascist way.)
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To: dennisw

Outstanding post. True, too.


75 posted on 10/10/2004 3:42:48 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. PJihadists of the World United)
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To: Publius6961

"Educators cite Ramadan as a good opportunity to teach students about Islam and its practice. But teaching Ramadan in public schools has not been without controversy. Last year a federal judge said that the Byron Union School District in California could continue a three-week curriculum that emphasized role-playing exercises requiring, among other things, seventh-grade students to recite Muslim prayers.

Despite the ruling in the district's favor, the school suspended the program because of the outcry the lawsuit spawned."
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Even though a jerky judge saw nothing wrong with the course, there was such an outcry that the school decided to discontinue the course. That means that parents and taxpayers certainly can influence what the schools teach their kids, because if it doesn't meet with the approval of parents and taxpayers, there will be hell to pay and screw the courts.


76 posted on 10/10/2004 3:57:57 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: combat_boots

Thanks CB


77 posted on 10/10/2004 4:10:11 PM PDT by dennisw (Gd is against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: ridesthemiles

"I also think a lot of leftists hope that if the Jihadists win, they will cut them some slack rather than cutting their throats because the left sided with the Jihadists and made their victory possible."

Not in their wildest dreams. Jihadists will say as they slit the throats of their useful idiots, "So long sucker!"


78 posted on 10/10/2004 4:37:51 PM PDT by SunnySide
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To: dennisw

"Two years ago a Muslim student gave an address at Harvard graduation that the true meaning of Jihad is inner struggle. This is a lie. Jihad also has a true meaning of aggressive warfare."

Oh charming, American colleges are educating future Jihadist women beating rulers. Lets celebrate...(slathered in sarcasm)


80 posted on 10/10/2004 4:40:20 PM PDT by SunnySide
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To: ladylib

"Even though a jerky judge saw nothing wrong with the course, there was such an outcry that the school decided to discontinue the course. That means that parents and taxpayers certainly can influence what the schools teach their kids, because if it doesn't meet with the approval of parents and taxpayers, there will be hell to pay and screw the courts."

Those parents should've made it their mission to kick that judge off the bench.




81 posted on 10/10/2004 4:42:39 PM PDT by SunnySide
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I live in California, but I didn't study Islam this way. I think we went over the basics for a few weeks and then moved on. But I was lucky; I had a rare conservative teacher for 7th Grade history.
83 posted on 10/10/2004 4:52:22 PM PDT by AVNevis
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To: tdewey10
Copy, paste, print and distribute or email or the following:


Prophet of Doom - Islam’s Terrorist Dogma, In Muhammad’s Own Words


Islam is a caustic blend of regurgitated paganism and twisted Bible stories.
Muhammad, its lone prophet, conceived his religion solely to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money.
He was a terrorist.

And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence at www.prophetofdoom.net.



Radical Islam's 'plan' to take over America - Arab-American author outlines secret 20-year strategy to undermine country - ( www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33898 )

The Islamic States of America? - ( www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1224601/posts )

Misunderstanding the Enemy: the Islamic Threat and the U.S. Media - ( www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1224264/posts )

84 posted on 10/10/2004 5:10:53 PM PDT by EdReform (Have you seen FAHRENHYPE 9/11? - www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1240926/posts)
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To: bushpilot

You are very welcome. Islam is all about slavishly copying the life of Muhammad. What Muhammadans call his "examples" as set down in Koran and Hadith.


85 posted on 10/10/2004 5:17:30 PM PDT by dennisw (Gd is against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: tdewey10

Will they teach The children the true meaning of Islam to "infidels", which is convert, die or be enslaved?


86 posted on 10/10/2004 5:19:30 PM PDT by JimRed (Kerry for President... of FRANCE!)
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To: bushpilot

I skimmed the video with the SOUND OFF!!! The 5 Islamo-scumbags were grouped like a rap music posse. They laid down their rap and talked for more than 2 1/2 minutes. Then kill him in the last 14 seconds

With so much Islamo-babble this is most definitely a propaganda vehicle designed to frighten and inspire the Muzzzie masses to Jihad. These videos are sold on the streets of Iraq on DVDs

May Gd rest Bigley's soul

(I posted this on another thread)


88 posted on 10/10/2004 5:31:09 PM PDT by dennisw (Gd is against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: bellas_sister

bump


89 posted on 10/10/2004 5:35:06 PM PDT by bellas_sister
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To: tdewey10

I hope they teach them about Honor Killings... and the Shiria law...


90 posted on 10/10/2004 5:36:22 PM PDT by bellas_sister
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To: dennisw

"With so much Islamo-babble this is most definitely a propaganda vehicle designed to frighten and inspire the Muzzzie masses to Jihad. These videos are sold on the streets of Iraq on DVDs"

I read the ghoulish beheadings have taken over the number one Iraqi male favorite DVD, PORN. Such a souless, depraved society of mysogynis barbaric male ghouls aimlessly roaming in secular limbo in the middle east. Team sKerry's dream team is having wet dreams over this, Dawn of the Dead.


91 posted on 10/10/2004 5:39:18 PM PDT by SunnySide
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