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International War Crimes Tribunal: Charges against 1st Bush administration show why ICC is bad idea
The Commission of Inquiry for the International War Crimes Tribunal ^ | 1992 | Various

Posted on 10/10/2004 3:55:35 PM PDT by No Longer Free State

Initial Complaint

Charging

George Bush, J. Danforth Quayle, James Baker, Richard Cheney, William Webster, Colin Powell, Norman Schwarzkopf and Others to be named With

Crimes Against Peace, War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity and Other Criminal Acts and High Crimes in Violation of the Charter of the United Nations, International Law, the Constitution of the United States and Laws made in Pursuance Thereof.

Preliminary Statement These charges have been prepared prior to the first hearing of the Commission of Inquiry by its staff. They are based on direct and circumstantial evidence from public and private documents; official statements and admissions by the persons charged and others; eyewitness accounts; Commission investigations and witness interviews in Iraq, the Middle East and elsewhere during and after the bombing; photographs and video tape; expert analyses; commentary and interviews; media coverage, published reports and accounts gathered between December 1990 and May l991. Commission of Inquiry hearings will be held in key cities where evidence is available supporting, expanding, adding, contradicting, disproving or explaining these, or similar charges against the accused and others of whatever nationality. When evidence sufficient to sustain convictions of the accused or others is obtained and after demanding the production of documents from the U.S. government, and others, and requesting testimony from the accused, offering them a full opportunity to present any defense personally, or by counsel, the evidence will be presented to an International War Crimes Tribunal. The Tribunal will consider the evidence gathered, seek and examine whatever additional evidence it chooses and render its judgment on the charges, the evidence, and the law.

Here are the findings they ultimately came up with:

Final Judgment: International War Crimes Tribunal

Findings

The members of the International War Crimes Tribunal finds each of the named accused Guilty on the basis of the evidence against them and that each of the nineteen crimes alleged in the Initial Complaint, attached hereto, has been established to have been committed beyond a reasonable doubt.

The members believe that it is imperative if there is ever to be peace that power be accountable for its criminal acts and we condemn in the strongest possible terms those found guilty of the charges herein. We urge the Commission of Inquiry and all people to act on recommendations developed by the Commission to hold power accountable and to secure social justice on which lasting peace must be based.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: icc; un
If this doesn't point out in a very common sense way why we should never, ever, ever sign on to the ICC, nothing ever will. These documents counter every excuse Kerry has given for supporting the ICC.

By the way, you can scroll down in the second link to see the list of 'commissioners'. There are even some of the typical American blame-America-firsters on the panel.

1 posted on 10/10/2004 3:55:35 PM PDT by No Longer Free State
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To: No Longer Free State

Yeah, that's nice U.N...come and get us.

If you think you're hard enough.


2 posted on 10/10/2004 3:56:41 PM PDT by TBarnett34 (I am become death, the destroyer of vanity posts.)
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To: No Longer Free State

Lets "give" them Kerry

John Kerry and War Crimes in Vietnam

He was in command of a Swift Boat
and ordered his men to do these things.
Listen to this 1971 audio clip in Kerry's own words.

LONG BEFORE THE '04 Election

Listen Here

http://www.streamload.com/jmstein77/Kerry2.mp3


3 posted on 10/10/2004 3:59:14 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (GET OUT THE VOTE NOV 2 ! IF YOUR NEIGHBORS OR RELATIVES NEED A RIDE TO THE POLLS OFFER TO HELP)
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To: No Longer Free State

and yet another interesting tidbit in the first sentence...

The members of the International War Crimes Tribunal, meeting in New York, have carefully considered the

notice where they met? Yes in the US? This is so weird.


4 posted on 10/10/2004 3:59:27 PM PDT by montanatim
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To: No Longer Free State

President Bush nentioned that Tribunal as an example of why we can't put our fate in international hands.


5 posted on 10/10/2004 3:59:55 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: No Longer Free State

Clinton & Wesley Clarke were also found guilty by the same court. Meanwhile, I don't think I've seen any convictions of anyone normal people would consider to be a tyrant.


6 posted on 10/10/2004 4:01:17 PM PDT by GoLightly (If it doesn't kill ya, it makes ya stronger.)
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To: montanatim

Ramsey Clark, targeting the west for a very long time.


7 posted on 10/10/2004 4:02:41 PM PDT by GoLightly (If it doesn't kill ya, it makes ya stronger.)
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To: Former Military Chick

No-ICC ping


8 posted on 10/10/2004 4:02:52 PM PDT by No Longer Free State
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To: No Longer Free State
We should withdraw visa's from all non-Americans and put them on the disavowed list. We should take all of the American citizens and try them for treason for aiding and abetting the enemy. After we hang them, we should bar entry for anyone who complained and block entry for their country's UN delegation.
9 posted on 10/10/2004 4:03:21 PM PDT by IncredibleHulk (DemonicRat EEG ... flat-lined but still lying.)
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To: TBarnett34

This is not the court at the Hague associated with the UN. This is a private left wing-nut group, pretending to be legitimate.


10 posted on 10/10/2004 4:05:11 PM PDT by GoLightly (If it doesn't kill ya, it makes ya stronger.)
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To: No Longer Free State

I just can't envision a constitutional mechanism by which American sovereignty would be ceded to unelected foreigners. So obviously it will have to be by intrigue and subversion. It has the potential to get real ugly, why anyone would expect otherwise is one of those imponderables.


11 posted on 10/10/2004 4:05:30 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: No Longer Free State

These are just a bunch of left-wing, anti-war nutballs with delusions of grandeur. The indictment is signed by Ramsey Clark. I rest my case.


12 posted on 10/10/2004 4:09:52 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: claudiustg

Can you imagine if these people had been around in 1945?

"President Truman and Mr. Churchill are both guilty of genocide against the innocent peace-loving German people..."

Word to the ICC: You know where we are. You want us, COME AND GET US.


13 posted on 10/10/2004 4:15:13 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Whose side would you rather be on? The Moon god worshippers, or people who've been to the Moon?)
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To: claudiustg; GoLightly

Go you think the results would be any different in a court with nonelected judges from France, Spain, and many of our other 'friends'?


14 posted on 10/10/2004 4:15:48 PM PDT by No Longer Free State
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To: No Longer Free State

Oops, "Do"


15 posted on 10/10/2004 4:16:09 PM PDT by No Longer Free State
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To: No Longer Free State

As I recall, all defendants entered a plea of KISS MY ASS!!!


16 posted on 10/10/2004 4:16:48 PM PDT by shankbear
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To: GoLightly

This "Court" has nothing to do with the ICC or the UN. They're not a charter of any recognized agency.

I'm against the ICC, but this document is hardly supportive of the case against the ICC.


17 posted on 10/10/2004 4:20:06 PM PDT by Toskrin (War least of all goes according to plan.)
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To: All

A bit of news from a parrallel universe here; imagine if the secular humanists run the world from inside the UN oligarchy.

NUTS!

Shooting them down:

What law was broken?

Who legislated the law?

Who is judging the law? Who appointed the judges?

Who voted for the legislators?


---and the coup de grace----

What authority is the basis for your charter? Is it simply (in sum) the opinion of eminent, fashionable and earnest men? Or is it based on the ancient scriptures and revelations of a just and elequent Almighty God??

So put them down with a real-worlder scoff, just like we scoff at Singer's philosophy and Hans Kung's ethical utopia.

As I said, scenes from a Soros/UN/Euro/Streisand parrallel universe.


Perpetual undergrads, ugh! Yay for the adults!





18 posted on 10/10/2004 4:21:28 PM PDT by rocknotsand ( "I don't want any messages saying we are holding our position... We're not holding anything!")
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To: No Longer Free State

This is basic Workers of the World Unite stuff. All wars are bad except the glorious revolution that will finally set the "people", whoever they may be, free.


19 posted on 10/10/2004 4:23:31 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: No Longer Free State

Can't believe sKerry even suggests we should be connected with this organization. More of his traitorous nature IMO.


20 posted on 10/10/2004 4:23:55 PM PDT by Wneighbor
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To: No Longer Free State

Don't know & don't care to ever find out. The smart move is to just stay the heck out of that treaty & let 'em whine.


21 posted on 10/10/2004 4:25:04 PM PDT by GoLightly (If it doesn't kill ya, it makes ya stronger.)
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To: No Longer Free State

Well, now we know what Ramsey Clark's been up to.


22 posted on 10/10/2004 4:26:08 PM PDT by Growler
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To: GoLightly

Sorry, I can't differentiate at all between all these "world body" morons. I figure if I label them as the U.N., I'll be right about 75% of the time.


23 posted on 10/10/2004 4:26:17 PM PDT by TBarnett34 (I am become death, the destroyer of vanity posts.)
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To: Toskrin

I agree with you. It's a matter of hanging on to our sovernty.

I ruled everyone who has joined the kangaroo court being discussed in the lead of this thread guilty of crimes against humanity ages ago. Wanna see the fancy robe I was wearing & the nifty gavel I brought down when I made my ruling?


24 posted on 10/10/2004 4:31:52 PM PDT by GoLightly (If it doesn't kill ya, it makes ya stronger.)
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To: No Longer Free State
How would the real war criminal react if he were president. I can see it now. President John Kerry said today that he will surrender himself to the international war tribunal in a show of support for international law. He will pass the war on terror to his VP a man of much expertise in this area. (Since I have admitted to committing atrocity's against humanity I must therefore face the justice that I so much deserve). Unlike all those other war criminals in the party of division.
25 posted on 10/10/2004 4:35:46 PM PDT by kylobo
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To: TBarnett34

You're not that far off, though if you were a citizen of some countries, you'd have to take the one at the Hague seriously, while no one in their right mind takes this particular "world body" of morons seriously.


26 posted on 10/10/2004 4:38:24 PM PDT by GoLightly (If it doesn't kill ya, it makes ya stronger.)
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To: No Longer Free State

If these benighted idiots manage to elect JK, a self-confessed war criminal, won't that put a crimp on him visiting his good buddies in Europe. Just remember what happened to Pinochet when he went to England for medical treatment. Any lawyer in Brussel could have him indicted for war crimes. The leader of the western alliance can't set foot in Europe. Lovely.


27 posted on 10/10/2004 4:40:21 PM PDT by Calusa (One Nation Gone Under.)
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To: TBarnett34

In the dark pit of my mind, I wish they would.

In the words of a great American, "Fill your hand you sonofabitch!"

(Yeah, I know it's only a movie. I just don't care.)


28 posted on 10/10/2004 4:48:35 PM PDT by Mr. Thorne ("But iron, cold iron, shall be master of them all..." Kipling)
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To: Mr. Thorne

This is an independent propaganda exercise by a group of anti-Americans.

It is very much like some of the things which went on during the Vietnam War, such as the Winter Soldier "hearings" which Kerry was involved with. Bertrand Russell held similar show hearings.

It would be interesting to learn who funded this.


29 posted on 10/10/2004 5:40:20 PM PDT by docbnj
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To: docbnj

Wonder who their process server is?


30 posted on 10/10/2004 6:34:41 PM PDT by nimbysrule
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