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Police, Kerry staff expel Roman-collar-wearing seminarians from Kerry/Edwards Debate Watch Party
Priesthood.com ^ | October 09, 2004

Posted on 10/11/2004 9:35:38 AM PDT by Coleus

Saturday, October 09, 2004

 

Pro-Life Witness: How It Happened

Last evening a group of seminarians dressed in clerical attire and the sweatshirts you see to the left, and laity gathered to offer a pro-life witness at the Kerry/Edwards Debate Watch Party and Rally held at the America 's Center downtown St. Louis .

The group, which was about 25 in number, gathered at 5:30 pm for prayer and instructions, after that we walked to the America 's Center while praying the Stations of the Cross. When we arrived we got in line to enter the event like everyone else. Two of us carried two bags containing signs for the whole group to hold. We (the two of us with the signs) were immediately confronted by some "Firemen for Kerry" who were providing security for the event. They informed us that we would be unable to take the signs into the event. I informed them that I had already spoken to the security officials earlier that day and they informed that if there were no sticks or any other thing that could be used as a weapon that they would have no problem with us bringing the signs in. At that point I asked to speak with the person who was supervising them. After a short wait a gentleman claiming to be a secret service agent (although I have my doubts) came and conceded that legally the could not keep us or the signs out of the event, but that the Kerry/Edwards people decided that we should not bring them in. I then asked to speak to someone from the Kerry/Edwards campaign.

After a longer wait a young lady claiming to be a staff member of the Kerry/Edwards campaign approached. She asked to see the signs, so we showed them to her. As soon as she realized that the signs said things such as "You CANT be Catholic and pro-choice. She said that we would be unable to enter with the signs. I produced a document from the ACLU that said otherwise. At this point we began to be accosted by various Kerry supporters. They were right up in my face, screaming and yelling. With their arms flailing they informed me that I was not welcome there. Others screamed "Who are you to tell me that my daughter who was raped cannot have an abortion." We remained calm and prayerful.

At this point I received a phone call from the main group of seminarians telling me that the police and security had informed them that our whole group was going to be denied access to the event and were preparing to escort them from the building. Being the spokesman for the group I immediately went to speak with the police. I informed them that since this was a public event and we had tickets that they had no right to deny us access. They assured me that they could and would deny us access. I asked to speak with the next level of security. After waiting about a half hour I was approached by the highest ranking officer present who informed me that the Kerry/Edwards people were denying us access. I asked to once again speak with a representative from the Kerry/Edwards campaign.

They sent the same woman who I had discussed the sign issue with. She informed me that since the Kerry/Edwards campaign had rented the America 's Center they had every right to deny anyone that they deemed likely to cause a disruption of to be a threat to the safety of the Senator. I told her that we would leave our signs outside. She said no. I told her that we would say nothing, and that we were not there to cause a disruption or harm to the Senator, and that if we did cause a disruption they could remove us. She said no. I asked her what evidence they had that we were going to cause a disruption, at which time she fell silent because there was no evidence. Up until this time the only disruptions were those cause by the Kerry supporters themselves, all we did was stand silently in prayer. I pressed her on this issue, but she could not give an adequate answer. They had no grounds for expelling us other than the fact that we were wearing roman collars. They knew our very presence would challenge Senator Kerry’s position on Life issues and the wanted to avoid that, even if it meant squelching our freedom of speech and freedom of expression. So much for the Democratic Party being a party of understanding and diversity.

At this point the Kerry people left and I was whisked away for a meeting with the police. They informed me that I had two options. To be escorted out peacefully or forcefully. I told them that we would leave peacefully since we did not come to cause problems only to provide a silent and prayerful witness to the sanctity of human life. I told the officers that I had only one request before we left; I wanted to know the reason we were being denied entrance. Clearly, as the police conceded, we were not a security threat, and there was no evidence that we were going to be disruptive. They asked the Kerry/Edwards people who said they would no longer speak to us about anything. Thus we were escorted out amid jeer and cheering from those still standing in line. But this is not the end of the story...

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1 posted on 10/11/2004 9:35:38 AM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

Did they throw out anyone wearing a turban?


2 posted on 10/11/2004 9:37:28 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...


3 posted on 10/11/2004 9:40:06 AM PDT by Coleus (www.danrathermustgo.com www.catholicTeamLeader.com moveOVER.org Pres. Bush will win!)
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To: Coleus

Next time bring clubs!


4 posted on 10/11/2004 9:42:03 AM PDT by zzen01
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To: Puppage
You wrote:"Did they throw out anyone wearing a turban?"

Best quote of the day!

5 posted on 10/11/2004 9:42:55 AM PDT by bcoffey (Bush/Cheney: Real men taking charge, talking straight, telling the truth.)
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To: Coleus

Now, why do you suppose the Kerry camp would deny entry to a Catholic group, since Kerry proudly says he is one? Ha!


6 posted on 10/11/2004 9:43:05 AM PDT by Heartland Mom (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: Lil'freeper

Ping


7 posted on 10/11/2004 9:43:48 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought."-Pope JPII)
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8 posted on 10/11/2004 9:44:48 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (GET OUT THE VOTE NOV 2 ! IF YOUR NEIGHBORS OR RELATIVES NEED A RIDE TO THE POLLS OFFER TO HELP)
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To: bcoffey
Best quote of the day!

I second that.

9 posted on 10/11/2004 9:44:55 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: zzen01

We must exterminate these people (from any political office).


10 posted on 10/11/2004 9:45:06 AM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota
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To: Fiddlstix

I just sent the article to Drudge... hopefully he'll find it interesting enough to plug.


11 posted on 10/11/2004 9:46:21 AM PDT by bcoffey (Bush/Cheney: Real men taking charge, talking straight, telling the truth.)
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To: Coleus

Just today, on another thread, Kerry is quoted as saying he will be making a statement about his Catholic faith in the next month. Should be interesting to see how he reconciles those statements with this event you have posted.


12 posted on 10/11/2004 9:46:49 AM PDT by ZOTnot (first "LADY?" (Theresa) : 'Idiots', 'Shove it', 'Scumbags', 'Let them go naked'.)
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To: Coleus

Thank you for the post...sad testimony to how a once legitimate party is now controlled by the anti-life movement. I hope these brave men and their group took solace in President Bush shooting straight on the abortion and embyonic harvesting questions, while Mr. Kerry claimed to be pro-choice and pro-life...talk about flip flopping... I will keep these men in my prayers as they work toward ordination.


13 posted on 10/11/2004 9:49:08 AM PDT by animoveritas (Dominus nos benedictat, et ab omni malo defendant)
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To: Coleus
This is actually a great idea for giving Osama Kerry the message even though entry was denied. I would have made sure that the old geezer who put the finger in the chest never had use of that hand again.
14 posted on 10/11/2004 9:50:14 AM PDT by tobyhill (The war on terrorism is not for the weak!)
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To: Coleus
But this is not the end of the story...
Thanks for the post. Where's the end of the story?
15 posted on 10/11/2004 9:50:15 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: Coleus
Great work by those (very patient) men.

I wonder what John Kerry's direct ancestor, John Winthrop thinks of him.

Winthrop, born in 1588 in England, believed that the Anglican Church should be "purified," calling for a removal of Catholic ritual and saying that the monarch should not head the church. Winthrop and about 1,000 other Puritans left England for Massachusetts, where he was selected as the first governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Winthrop believed his mission was not just to settle in the New World but also to save the Old World. In a sermon during the sea voyage, he said: "We must consider that we shall be as a City upon a Hill, the eyes of all people are upon us."

16 posted on 10/11/2004 9:50:16 AM PDT by syriacus (We'll NEED a draft if Kerry is elected. Fewer would OPT to serve under a NEW SOLDIER like him.)
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To: Coleus
When the Bush people expel disrupter like the New Jersey woman wearing the "Bush Killed My Son" shirt from their affair, the scoundrel becomes an instant martyr and it becomes an MSM lead story.

We can expect nary a peep regarding this story from them.

17 posted on 10/11/2004 9:50:30 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: SolomoninSouthDakota
"We must exterminate these people (from any political office)."

Eventually your concept mist be broadened ;-)

18 posted on 10/11/2004 9:51:49 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: ZOTnot
"Just today, on another thread, Kerry is quoted as saying he will be making a statement about his Catholic faith in the next month. Should be interesting to see how he reconciles those statements with this event you have posted."

Remarkable news, but totally predictable if one is paying attention. Remember the real JFK and his big announcement on his faith? "Roman Catholic Church won't be running his Admin...blah, blah, blah.."

J effin K is just copying the former President to the point of becoming a clone. It's absolutely phenomenal. Maybe John Kennedy's brother "tippin Teddy" is really putting J effin up to all this and somehow getting some weird flashback satisfaction out of it. They are all as mad as hatters in my book.
19 posted on 10/11/2004 9:53:18 AM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota
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To: F16Fighter

Hi. F16.
Man this gets me riled up. I'm sure you know how I feel.


20 posted on 10/11/2004 9:54:45 AM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota
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To: SolomoninSouthDakota

Hear ya, bro.


21 posted on 10/11/2004 9:55:31 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Coleus

Outrageous! And the ACLU is where?


22 posted on 10/11/2004 9:55:56 AM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: ZOTnot
"...Kerry is quoted as saying he will be making a statement about his Catholic faith in the next month."

Before or after Nov. 2 ?

23 posted on 10/11/2004 9:56:18 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: ZOTnot

Well .. the election will be over in a month and then who the heck will care what the loser says.


24 posted on 10/11/2004 9:57:19 AM PDT by CyberAnt (Sen.Miller said, "Bush is a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel")
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To: animoveritas
sad testimony to how a once legitimate party is now controlled by the anti-life movement.

True.

What the anti-life element did to Clarence Thomas, is what drove me out of the party.

Who wants to hang around with a bunch of liars?

25 posted on 10/11/2004 9:58:00 AM PDT by syriacus (We'll NEED a draft if Kerry is elected. Fewer would OPT to serve under a NEW SOLDIER like him.)
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To: F16Fighter

What do you think of the way sKerry imitates JFK? Even the football thing is part of it I'll bet. Oh yeah, there was the reference to the Cuban misle crisis in the debate. He's a loon if you ask me.


26 posted on 10/11/2004 9:58:02 AM PDT by SolomoninSouthDakota
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To: eastsider

http://www.priesthood.motime.com/

Part two, ask and Ye shall recieve...


27 posted on 10/11/2004 9:58:16 AM PDT by CincinnatiKid
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To: Coleus

i bet if you walked in wearing one of those "i had an abortion" tshirts..they would usher you to the front row!


28 posted on 10/11/2004 9:58:25 AM PDT by beansox
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To: Coleus

Can this (in it's entirety)be sent to our local Catholic Newspapers?

Great thanks to these brave seminarians, we need to get the word out.


29 posted on 10/11/2004 10:02:47 AM PDT by pieces of time (No longer the "silent" majority.)
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To: Coleus

If not picked up and noised about this incident will be "evidence" of right wing harrassment... maybe even if it IS picked up...


30 posted on 10/11/2004 10:02:55 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: CincinnatiKid
[O]ne person tore up one of our signs and proclaimed that we were nothing but a bunch of “pedophile hookers.”
Honi soit qui mal y pense.

Thanks for the link.

31 posted on 10/11/2004 10:06:00 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: SolomoninSouthDakota
"What do you think of the way sKerry imitates JFK?"

Of course it's comical.

He is the most vile and despicible candidate ever for the Presidency of the United States.

The only potential candidate that matches him for disgustability would be Hitlery Clinton.

32 posted on 10/11/2004 10:07:08 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Integrityrocks
Outrageous! And the ACLU is where?

Actually, according to the article, the ACLU had already written something that these people were trying to use to gain entrance to the meeting.

Hard to believe, but sometimes the ACLU will even support a Christian's freedom of speech.
33 posted on 10/11/2004 10:11:01 AM PDT by TwoWolves (The only kind of control the liberals don't want is self control.)
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To: Jonx6

ping


34 posted on 10/11/2004 10:12:23 AM PDT by TXFireman
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To: beansox

Hey, did you know John Kerry's Catholic? He was in Vietnam too.


35 posted on 10/11/2004 10:12:59 AM PDT by workerbee
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To: Coleus
Kerry's a Catholic. Sure.

What a slimeball.

36 posted on 10/11/2004 10:15:41 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: ZOTnot
Kerry is quoted as saying he will be making a statement about his Catholic faith in the next month.

He's been making a statement about it for years via his votes, which he reiterated at the debate the other night. That statement is: "F*** Catholicism. I'll kill whatever baby, however I have to, for a vote -- and you better not complain about paying for it!"

37 posted on 10/11/2004 10:17:00 AM PDT by workerbee
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To: workerbee

LMAO!! did he really serve?


38 posted on 10/11/2004 10:19:55 AM PDT by beansox
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To: Coleus

I hope this story is being published in a NATIONAL Catholic magazine or at a Web site for this same purpose.

Catholics need to understand that Kerry speaks with a forked tongue...just like the devil.


39 posted on 10/11/2004 10:25:41 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: bcoffey
hopefully he'll find it interesting enough to plug.

I will buy you a beer if he does...iow...not a chance

40 posted on 10/11/2004 10:25:46 AM PDT by antaresequity
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To: CincinnatiKid

Mega-bump! Well done.


41 posted on 10/11/2004 10:29:01 AM PDT by talleyman (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Coleus; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
Catholic Ping - let me know if you want on/off this list


42 posted on 10/11/2004 10:29:49 AM PDT by NYer (Where Peter is, there is the Church.)
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To: Coleus

They expelled Christ as well!

God forgive them. I have real difficulties in doing so.


43 posted on 10/11/2004 10:37:14 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: Proudly Republican

"Now, why do you suppose the Kerry camp would deny entry to a Catholic group, since Kerry proudly says he is one? Ha!"

Exactly!! I'm a catholic and I guess I'm not welcome at a Kerry Rally either. Although I would never show my face at a Kerry rally....WITHOUT A FREE REPUBLIC "VETERANS FOR BUSH" SIGN IN MY HAND!!



44 posted on 10/11/2004 10:37:30 AM PDT by libs_kma (USA: The land of the Free....Because of the Brave!)
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To: eastsider
"Honi soit qui mal y pense"

What language is that?

45 posted on 10/11/2004 10:42:51 AM PDT by OHelix
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To: OHelix
The language of the Order of the Garter, founded by Edward III of England in 1348 ...
46 posted on 10/11/2004 10:52:15 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: eastsider

Hmmm... Thanks for the link. I asked because it didn't seem consistent with Latin, French, Spanish, Portuguese or Italian.

After a reading your link and a little googling, I've concluded it's apparently an Anglicanized spelling of the French language.

Sorry for the nerdy question. :o)


47 posted on 10/11/2004 11:05:36 AM PDT by OHelix
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To: Jonx6

ping


48 posted on 10/11/2004 11:26:20 AM PDT by TXFireman
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To: OHelix
I thought you were trying to trick me into admitting that it was very old French : )

You've aroused my curiosity. What makes you think it's Anglicanized?

49 posted on 10/11/2004 11:27:05 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: ThomasMore

"God forgive them. I have real difficulties in doing so."

I'll try harder if you will.


50 posted on 10/11/2004 11:33:45 AM PDT by dsc
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