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Michael Reagan Addresses Conservatives Who Won't Vote For Bush
The Federalist Patriot ^ | Oct. 11, 2004 | Michael Reagan

Posted on 10/11/2004 1:18:40 PM PDT by treowth

"A lot of Reagan conservatives are threatening to cut off their noses to spite their faces. They think that because President Bush hasn't done every single thing they want, or has done some things they didn't want, they should punish him by staying home on Election Day or voting for some third party candidate who hasn't got a chance to win in November. It should be obvious to them that they will therefore help elect the Kerry-Edwards team that will do nothing they want and everything they don't. Somehow this idiocy seems to make sense to them -- dump a conservative president for a pair of socialists who, given four years in the White House, will wreck this country's economy and in the process probably lose the War on Terrorism, as well. What bothers me is the insistence of these dissident conservatives that they are devoted to the legacy of Ronald Reagan, who understood the truth of the old adage, 'Politics is the art of the possible.' In other words, you get what you can and wait for a chance to get the rest. These people think that if they don't get everything they want they are willing to accept nothing, but that's not what my father stood for. My father would say, 'If I can get 80 percent, or 60 percent, or 50 percent of what I'm looking for, I'll take that and I'll go back later on for the rest of it'."

--Michael Reagan


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antiwarright; paleocons

1 posted on 10/11/2004 1:18:40 PM PDT by treowth
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To: treowth

Some Freepers should take notice of this


2 posted on 10/11/2004 1:20:49 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (http://www.drunkenbuffoonery.com/mboards/)
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To: treowth
"It's the SCOTUS, stupid"
3 posted on 10/11/2004 1:22:10 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: treowth

Excellent! and finally someone calling Kerry/Edwards what they really are...

"... dump a conservative president for a pair of socialists....."


4 posted on 10/11/2004 1:22:12 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ("A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.")
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To: treowth

BUMP!


5 posted on 10/11/2004 1:22:39 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Lunatic Fringe wrote: Some Freepers should take notice of this

Paleocons, and the like.

6 posted on 10/11/2004 1:23:00 PM PDT by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

"Some Freepers should take notice of this

You've got that right! This 3rd party protest vote has always seemed so irrational to me.


7 posted on 10/11/2004 1:24:14 PM PDT by rj45mis
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To: Jim Robinson

SCOTUS, the WOT, 2nd Amendment rights. ....the list is long.


8 posted on 10/11/2004 1:24:16 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Jim Robinson

thanks for your comment and your good work. you deserve a medal.


9 posted on 10/11/2004 1:29:03 PM PDT by q_an_a
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To: bootless

BUMP.

I am a newbie here, what does it mean when somebody says BUMP????????


10 posted on 10/11/2004 1:29:34 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He's a barf." --- Sophia T., Age 4, on John Baldrick "I have a cunning plan" Kerry)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Some Freepers should take notice of this

Sadly, the Buchananites are beyond help.

11 posted on 10/11/2004 1:30:45 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: rj45mis
You've got that right! This 3rd party protest vote has always seemed so irrational to me.

It happened in 1992 with many voting for Ross Perot and what did it get us: Bill Clinton for 8 years.

12 posted on 10/11/2004 1:31:19 PM PDT by sydbas
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To: Conservatrix

Bump is just a say that they're pushing a thread back to the top of the front page.


13 posted on 10/11/2004 1:31:22 PM PDT by COEXERJ145
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To: Conservatrix

When someone posts, it moves the thread to the top of latest posts. So a bump is a post designed to that.

'bttt' is another message that may be posted -- short for back to the top.

In addition, 'pings' are designed to flag certain posters over to a particular thread.


14 posted on 10/11/2004 1:32:53 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim Robinson quotes: "It's the SCOTUS, stupid"

Yes. But any President who had extended the ridiculous AWB wouldn't be able to pick a suitable Justice anyway.

Fortunately, that is not a problem today.

15 posted on 10/11/2004 1:34:21 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: treowth

Are there really conservatives who might not vote for Bush?


16 posted on 10/11/2004 1:34:51 PM PDT by rushmom
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Comment #17 Removed by Moderator

To: William Tell

Signing CFR was similar to the AWB ("sign it if it crosses my desk"). The effect of CFR was to give Soros the keys to the RAT party. See FrontPage Mag online for a great article on this subject.


18 posted on 10/11/2004 1:37:00 PM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules)
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To: treowth
[i]"get what you can and wait for a chance to get the rest." [/i]

The problem with that philosophy, is that conservatives have been waiting for the GOP to give the "the rest" (or at least quit tapping "moderate", big government candidates) since 1964!

Ronald Reagan was obviously an aberration. "The rest" has not been and will not be forthcoming. People are sick and tired of that carrot. The feeling, which I understand, is that unless something drastic is done, the GOP will continue down this path, as it did before and after Reagan.
19 posted on 10/11/2004 1:38:43 PM PDT by mikeus_maximus
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Thanks for the advice LF.

Now tell me again about how the Religious Right should leave the GOP and not let the door hit them in the ass on the way out?

Everyone else - please don't get me wrong, I agree 100% with the Reagan column and am voting for Bush, despite many reservations, for the reasons Michael (and especially JimRob in post #3) note. I just have a problem with those in the GOP for whom the "Big Tent" is a one-way street.


20 posted on 10/11/2004 1:40:49 PM PDT by Ogie Oglethorpe (The people have spoken...the b*stards!)
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To: Jim Robinson

What about those conservatives who voice criticism of some specific Bush policies? Do you see that as being equivalent to bluntly declaring "XYZ isn't voting for Bush because of ABC?"


21 posted on 10/11/2004 1:41:31 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Am back but just for a short while)
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To: Conservatrix
Awwww, I can't believe you just said that?! You can't "Bump", you're 'new', remember? Only 'old' people can 'Bump'. It's in the rule book, you did read the rule book didn't you?!

You can probably slide by this time, but just don't "BTTT" or you'll really be in for it. Consider it a little friendly advice.

By the way, welcome!

22 posted on 10/11/2004 1:42:51 PM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Jim Robinson

I just finished reading Bork's "Coercing Virtue."
The appointment of SCOTUS judges is my number one concern after the WOT. If Kerry gets in and two or three judges resign, the judicial activists that Kerry is sure to appoint would deliver a wound to this country that we may never recover from.


23 posted on 10/11/2004 1:45:13 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (I'm fresh out of tags. I'll pick some up tomorrow.)
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To: RKV

The unconstitutional CFR may have restricted political parties somewhat, but it actually opened up a whole new ballgame to grassroots free speech. Soros, moveon.org, SwiftBoatVets are just examples. Free speech knows no bounds. No matter how hard the McCainiacs of the world try, they will never succeed in shutting down political free speech.


24 posted on 10/11/2004 1:47:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: treowth
[ Michael Reagan Addresses Conservatives Who Won't Vote For Bush ]

There ARE no conservatives NOT voting for Bush.. They may be radicals of some stripe but their not conservatives.. Allowing Kerry to win this election is a radical move and left wing radical at that.. Ron Reagan is a left wing dupe, single issue flunky..

25 posted on 10/11/2004 1:53:44 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: rushmom
Are there really conservatives who might not vote for Bush?

Hard to believe, but yes. They vote for the Constitution Party (Michael Peroutka) or just don't vote at all. Go to Crosswalk.com and check out some of the posts in the Politics thread. Most of the posters there will vote for GWB but some are just die-hard conservatives and think GWB isn't conservative enough. Sadly they don't realize (or don't care?) that their CP vote will help Kerry.
26 posted on 10/11/2004 1:54:35 PM PDT by Pali
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To: hosepipe

There are plenty of single issue folks around here as well.


27 posted on 10/11/2004 1:57:14 PM PDT by dmz
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To: KantianBurke

We all criticize specific Bush policies to some extent. The vast majority of FReepers and I suspect of conservatives in general were dismayed and highly critical of CFR, the deal with Kennedy, the prescription drug expansion, the perceived weakness on the AWB renewal, the lack of attention to the borders, etc, etc, etc. But I also know that 95% or better of us are going to vote for him anyway. The alternative is unthinkable.


28 posted on 10/11/2004 1:58:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: COEXERJ145
Sadly, the Buchananites are beyond help

And your mother dresses you funny...Most of us Buchananites voted for Bush the last time...In fact, if it wasn't for Buchananites, Bush would have lost...So bite your tongue...

29 posted on 10/11/2004 2:02:37 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Jim Robinson

It is a pleasure getting a response from you, sir. Agreed -free speech does acknowlege no bounds (neither does money in politics). I hope it is a pleasant fall day in Fresno. I grew up down the road in Coalinga, so I know that October and April are the best months in the Valley;)


30 posted on 10/11/2004 2:02:51 PM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules)
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To: sydbas
It happened in 1992 with many voting for Ross Perot and what did it get us: Bill Clinton for 8 years.

Nope...You wasted your vote on Bush Sr...YOU gave us Clinton...Face it...

31 posted on 10/11/2004 2:04:19 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Hatteras

Thanks for the welcome.
But I still don't get what "Bump"means.
Anybody out there who can help?


32 posted on 10/11/2004 2:07:56 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He's a barf." --- Sophia T., Age 4, on John Baldrick "I have a cunning plan" Kerry)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Thanks... but I still don't get it!
(sigh)
I will read, observe , and learn.....
humbly...


33 posted on 10/11/2004 2:10:10 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He's a barf." --- Sophia T., Age 4, on John Baldrick "I have a cunning plan" Kerry)
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To: treowth
Those conservatives in question better understand that with FnKerry you get partial-birth abortion on demand and embryonic stem cells for everyone. Terrorism will be treated as a nuisance!
34 posted on 10/11/2004 2:11:30 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Conservatrix

Let's go over it again. :-)

When someone posts a message, it moves the thread to the top of the latest posts. Therefore, when someone shows up and simply says "bump", that is what they are intended to do--bump the thread to the top.

If you see "bttt", it is the same thing (short for "back to the top.")


35 posted on 10/11/2004 2:22:09 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: dmz
[ There are plenty of single issue folks around here as well. ]

Yeah but most all are voting for Bush even if libertarian..

36 posted on 10/11/2004 2:28:11 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: treowth

Good article.


37 posted on 10/11/2004 2:42:00 PM PDT by diamond6
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Yes they should, because Bush had to settle for less than he wanted in the first tax cut .. but with the success of the first tax cut .. we now have a second tax cut.

I know a lot of people were unhappy because we didn't get it all the first time and called the repubs spineless for not getting it done.


38 posted on 10/11/2004 2:42:09 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Sen.Miller said, "Bush is a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel")
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To: Republican Wildcat

So does the person that says "bump" actually bump the article to the top????
(sorry for sounding like a technovirgin)...


39 posted on 10/11/2004 2:44:23 PM PDT by Conservatrix ("He's a barf." --- Sophia T., Age 4, on John Baldrick "I have a cunning plan" Kerry)
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To: COEXERJ145
Sadly, the Buchananites are beyond help.

Don't forget the Keyes folk.

40 posted on 10/11/2004 2:44:37 PM PDT by Spyder
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To: rushmom

Yes, it's extremely unfortunaate that there are Conservatives who refuse to vote for Bush. They stand strictly upon principle.....in other words, Bush is expected by them to conform very narrowly to certain beliefs.
Their stance is outrageously unrealistic, given the sad state of cultural and ethical deterioration in the US.


41 posted on 10/11/2004 3:17:55 PM PDT by treowth
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Considering how widely read the Free Republic is, we can be pretty darn certain that the Freepers you referred to and the Buchanonites I'm thinking of will read this :-)


42 posted on 10/11/2004 3:19:52 PM PDT by treowth
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To: socialismisinsidious

snip....Excellent! and finally someone calling Kerry/Edwards what they really are..



You mean Poodle Butt(-Head) and Breck Girl Butt(-Head)? :-)


43 posted on 10/11/2004 3:22:06 PM PDT by treowth
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To: treowth

Big/Intrusive Govt vs. Bigger/More Intrusive Govt....

Wow! What choices..!


44 posted on 10/11/2004 3:29:14 PM PDT by dakine
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To: Ogie Oglethorpe
Now tell me again about how the Religious Right should leave the GOP and not let the door hit them in the ass on the way out?

I never claimed they *should* leave, I just wouldn't be sad to see Pat Robertson and his gullible followers run out the door.

45 posted on 10/11/2004 6:21:05 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (http://www.drunkenbuffoonery.com/mboards/)
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To: Iscool
Nope...You wasted your vote on Bush Sr...YOU gave us Clinton...Face it...

OK go ahead and vote for Nader and then tell us that WE gave us Kerry.

46 posted on 10/11/2004 7:44:56 PM PDT by sydbas
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Fair enough - while I disgree w/you on Robertson, there are certain groups in the GOP I wouldn't be sad to see go. So I can't be too critical of your stance, even if the groups we wouldn't miss are at different ends of the spectrum.

BTW, I think post #28 hits the nail on the head. It certainly sums up my thinking on Bush '04.


47 posted on 10/11/2004 7:47:56 PM PDT by Ogie Oglethorpe (The people have spoken...the b*stards!)
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To: RKV

Soros (sorryass) was a big supporter of CFR


48 posted on 10/11/2004 7:55:35 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: treowth

I have never understood where anybody gets the idea that they are doing Pres Bush a favor by voting for him. Either this election will give us a pro-America First, George Bush or a pro-world first socialist, John Kerry. Whatever gripe or issue a person may have with Pres Bush pales when compared to turning this country over to John Kerry and his socialist cohorts. The appointment of Supreme Court Justices in the next four years should be enough cause for any American who values their freedom to vote for the only person in this election who will nominate judges who respect the constitution and our republican form of government. That person is our proven pro-America President, George Bush.


49 posted on 10/11/2004 8:27:52 PM PDT by mountainfolk (God bless President George Bush)
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