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'The Beast' movie: Jesus didn't exist; Former Christian director's secretive film
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Tuesday, October 12, 2004 | Ron Strom

Posted on 10/12/2004 2:54:10 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

A movie whose purpose is to prove that Jesus Christ never existed and that demonizes Christian fundamentalists is scheduled to open on June 6, 2006 – that is, 06-06-06, the "666" biblical mark of the Beast.

Directed by Brian Flemming, who is described on the film's website as a "former fundamentalist Christian," "The Beast" promises to spread the theory he claims is "gaining credibility among scholars" – that Jesus was made up out of thin air.

"The authors of the Gospels, writing 40 to 90 years after the supposed life of Christ, never intended for their works to be read as biographies. There are no credible non-Christian references to Christ during the period in which he is said to have lived," states the film's site.

Currently in pre-production, the film's cast and crew are "legally sworn to secrecy," the promotional site says.

Here's how the film's promoters describe its plot:

When her father, a biblical scholar, mysteriously disappears, a Christian high-school student named Danielle investigates. She discovers that he had stumbled across a cover-up of Christianity's best-kept secret: that Jesus Christ never existed.

Now that she possesses proof of this dangerous fact, Danielle must confront two strong forces: a band of fundamentalist Christians who will stop at nothing to suppress the truth, and her own desire for Jesus Christ to be real.

Diving into factual territory well-explored by scholars but largely hidden from the view of the public, "The Beast" is an epic story of innocence lost, faith in crisis and the astonishing power of the truth to survive.

On the trailer, which is viewable on the film's site, ominous music plays while these words flash across the screen: "Centuries ago, a legend was invented… forgery … fraud … coercion … wealth … greed … torture … murder … war … gave it the power to dominate the world." The words are displayed on a background of a painting of Christ's face.

The producers offer a newsletter for those interested in following the making of the movie.

Fleming is touted on the film's website as "internationally acclaimed."

States the site: "Flemming's work has been called 'a parallel universe' by the BBC, 'jaggedly imaginative' by the New York Times, and 'immensely satisfying' by USA Today. The Fox News Channel dubbed him 'a young Oliver Stone.' Flemming won the New York Times Claiborne Pell Award for Original Vision for his groundbreaking feature film 'Nothing So Strange,' which was released theatrically in 2003 and is currently distributed on DVD in more than 200 countries."

Supporters of the film have participated in a discussion forum on the site.

Says one excited poster: "I must say, I highly commend this director for his immense courage on putting something like this out!! The fact that he has the courage to put out a movie about the possibility of Christ never existing after all the controversy surrounding a movie about the LIFE of Christ (well death really) is just amazing!!

"Mad Kudos (and thanks) to EVERYONE involved in the making of this movie and good luck in handling all the 'adverse' reactions!!"

Another participant enthused, "I'm so excited! I can't wait until it's released! This is DEFINITELY the age of Aquarius!!"

Greg Koukl is head of Stand to Reason, a Christian apologetics organization. He says this kind of story line is not unusual among books and movies.

"It always turns out that fundamentalist Christians are the bad guys," he told WorldNetDaily.

"The problem with this is the evidence they draw from is always out on the fringes of academic scholarship" – evidence, he says, that is not even used by the leaders of the leftist Jesus Seminar.

Koukl noted historians that have no affinity for fundamentalist Christianity certainly write about Jesus and his impact on history.

"Nobody is trying to explain the indelible mark of Jesus of Nazareth on history by saying he never existed," he said. "That's way beyond the pale. No credible historian would make that claim. … It's a bizarre statement from an academic perspective."

Koukl wonders what motive anyone would have to invent Jesus and then "fool everybody."

He dismisses "The Beast" promoters' argument that because no non-Christian accounts of Jesus exist from the time of his life, he must be a fictional character.

"It may be the case that only Caesar wrote about the Gaelic wars," he explained, "but just because there are no other writing about the Gaelic wars doesn't mean we can't trust Caesar," mentioning the four Gospels are themselves four separate accounts of Christ's life.

He mentioned there are a "number of historical references to Christ outside Christianity, which buttress the fact he did exist."

Ted Baehr, founder and publisher of MovieGuide and chairman of the Christian Film & Television Commission, predicts "The Beast" will bomb with American moviegoers.

"Generally, these movies do very poorly at the box office," he told WND. "'Saved!' which had a lot of publicity, did about $6 million at the box office. … That's pitiful."

Baehr said bringing the film's contentions into the light of day in the media works well to expose the agenda of its promoters.

"The way you pull the teeth of a false argument is bring up the argument first and show that it's frivolous and fallacious," he said. "Of course it's frivolous. The original apostles wouldn't have gone to their death for Jesus if they didn't believe he was real."

Baehr said, "There is a small group of teenagers who will see ['The Beast'] who will be convinced it is the truth. … It will have an impact on a susceptible few."

One of the film's producers, Amanda Jackson, was contacted for this story but did not respond by press time.




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1 posted on 10/12/2004 2:54:10 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
a cover-up of Christianity's best-kept secret: that Jesus Christ never existed.

haha! yeah, right. over hundreds of years numerous writers who did not know each other, whose accounts reflect the same shimmering thread, were "inspired" to continue this fraud...and historians...yeah, that makes sense.

we'll see...we'll see, won't we?

2 posted on 10/12/2004 3:00:18 AM PDT by wildwood
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To: JohnHuang2

I bet Michael Cimino is excited. Heavens Gate will no long be the biggest bomb in the history of Hollywood. I hope Christians ignore it and don't give it publicity it doesn't deserve.


3 posted on 10/12/2004 3:01:42 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: JohnHuang2

There is no doubt we are in the time of tribulation. Revelation tells us to beware the False Prophet... And how will we know who he is...

Some say that you can tell because he will claim False miracles promising life from death.. well isn't a promise of life from death exactly what Embryonic stem cell research is?


4 posted on 10/12/2004 3:01:45 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (George W Bush Understands the lessons of 911, John Kerry acts like it never happened.)
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To: JohnHuang2

If He didn't exist, then why would a Roman and member of the Sanhedrin who went out of his way to persecute 'Christians' immediately turn from an enemy to one of the most zealous advocates and apostles to explain and document what and who Jesus Christ was all about?


5 posted on 10/12/2004 3:01:48 AM PDT by Cvengr (;^))
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To: JohnHuang2
So let me get this correct...this guy believes that authors writing within a few decades of the life of Christ were outside of personal experience but he's got the truth 2000 years removed, is that it?
6 posted on 10/12/2004 3:02:22 AM PDT by highlander_UW (" Just bear in mind that there is no Botox for the soul.". - Sam Smith)
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To: JohnHuang2
This is not new. This "theory" has been around for 2,000 years. Funny, I have never heard of any one being willing to go to a cross for this "theory". 11 of the 12 who knew Him personally were. The 12th was boiled alive in oil and survived. Sort of disproves the "theory", doesn't it? I would love to ask any one who believed this if they would die for that belief.
8 posted on 10/12/2004 3:04:38 AM PDT by wastoute
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To: JohnHuang2
There are no credible non-Christian references to Christ during the period in which he is said to have lived," states the film's site.

This is true.

The historical accounts come from the Gospels.

This shows the accuracy of the Gospels (which historians have accepted)

The Lord Jesus Christ is someone no one could have invented! '

The person who could invent such a character would have to be greater then the character itself.

The one fact that the historians will not touch is the Resurrection which makes Christianity different then any other religion.

We have a risen Saviour, all other religions follow dead teachers. (1Cor.15)

9 posted on 10/12/2004 3:04:52 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: JohnHuang2

I say we just ask Him to "take care" of this "movie".


10 posted on 10/12/2004 3:07:10 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: JohnHuang2
Where are the cries of indignation from the liberal press? I know, lets get together and fund a freeper film about how Mohammad never existed and is just the fevered imaginings of some mushroom crazed camel lover, and then see if anyone can spot the difference in reactions!
11 posted on 10/12/2004 3:07:14 AM PDT by AngloSaxon (successful)
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To: JohnHuang2; editor-surveyor; fortheDeclaration; Commander8
.......Next new series of movies will be,.....Moses never existed,......10 Commandments must be removed from schools.

........(British-movies-TV)...'Work makes Free'.....

/sarcasm

.....coming,....films by/about....C.H.Dodd and George E. Ladd..........Preterist-Evangelical-Gang?

/sarcasm

12 posted on 10/12/2004 3:08:21 AM PDT by maestro
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To: JohnHuang2

Two thoughts.

1 This is a cash in on the Da Vinci Code craze.

2 Looks cheap.


13 posted on 10/12/2004 3:08:57 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: wildwood; Lexinom; hiredhand; Havoc; Indie
I don't know about you. For over 10 years now, my family and I have been researching biblical prophecy and with the help of an ex-military man writing on a daily basis, have awaited the day man-kind makes Christ look like the evil one.
There are going to be people out there, liberalists, environmentalists, humanists, wicca,etc,etc.. that are waiting the day in which they have a reason to point out a Christian, and turn on them!
Movies like this only give courage and fuel to a fire, that's been kindling in Satan's heart for a couple millenium!
May God have mercy on all His saints as we draw closer to that day, where He Comes again!
14 posted on 10/12/2004 3:09:23 AM PDT by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: AngloSaxon

Perfect! Where do i send the money...


15 posted on 10/12/2004 3:10:18 AM PDT by dubie
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To: maestro
Next new series of movies will be,.....Moses never existed,......10 Commandments must be removed from schools.

Amen!

16 posted on 10/12/2004 3:11:12 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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To: JohnHuang2

The best way to handle this movie would be to ignore it. If people start to protest it and give it free publicity, everyone will want to go and see it out of curiosity.

The premise sounds lame enough; if we treat it with a collective yawn, it'll go straight to the $1.98 bin at Blockbuster, and then the big argument will be whether or not the director's career ever existed.


17 posted on 10/12/2004 3:12:11 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: Uncle Vlad
and then the big argument will be whether or not the director's career ever existed.

ROTFLOL!! Truly, created from out of thin air.

18 posted on 10/12/2004 3:16:29 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: CourtneyLeigh
In addition, don't forget about that old, frightening phrase:
Hate Religion
There are many Countries: England, Australia, Canada,, and others that have huge amount of folks in their populations that are against "free thought" as long as it doesn't make them feel guilty for their own "thoughts".

The day is at hand, when Christians, and Bible fearing men/women are pointed out as Hateful People, not willing to tolerate other religions. They will call us hypocrites, Bible Believers, and they will persecute us in their mind first, then, the days of old will return.

I agree, don't bring the attention of the media to ourselves, let the Lord place HIS glory on such an event as this. However, don't take this as an idle "no harm doing" sort of thing either.

19 posted on 10/12/2004 3:16:29 AM PDT by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: wildwood
Jesus Christ never existed...but someone else named Jesus taught the Sermon on the mount?

Then the one who wrote the sermon on the Mount was the one who is "Jesus", no matter what his name. (i.e. the story would be like those who argue Homer never existed, but a woman actually wrote his poems, or that Shakespeare never existed, but someone else wrote his plays)

Trying to prove someone didn't exist is impossible, especially a common person. They are talking as if they found pontius pilate's hard drive with a list of the thousands of people he had crucified, and Jesus wasn't on it, so that proves that Jesus didn't exist...give me a break.

Of course, the real story is not that a man named Jesus lived--- after all there were thousands of men named Jesus (Joshua) back then, and lots of itinerant preachers...

The real story that divides people is if Jesus was God sent to teach us how to live.
20 posted on 10/12/2004 3:17:22 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: fortheDeclaration
The one fact that the historians will not touch is the Resurrection which makes Christianity different then any other religion. We have a risen Saviour, all other religions follow dead teachers. (1Cor.15)

BTTT

2nd Timothy 2:8

Maranatha!

(Romans 10:17).......not by BBC/TV......movies)

21 posted on 10/12/2004 3:17:38 AM PDT by maestro
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To: Uncle Vlad

Josephus, a Jewish historian and non Christian wrote about Jesus.


22 posted on 10/12/2004 3:17:43 AM PDT by shineon
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To: CourtneyLeigh

Yep, I can see how that peace and love thing would really upset people.


23 posted on 10/12/2004 3:18:43 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: JohnHuang2
G.A. Wells is the leading advocate of the Jesus didn't exist school. Wells is a retired German teacher and wannabe theologian. You can find an analysis of his theory at: http://www.errantskeptics.org/G_A_Wells.htm.
24 posted on 10/12/2004 3:19:20 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Uncle Vlad; hiredhand; Lexinom; Havoc; Indie; Northern Yankee
I'm gonna go see it! I want to know exactly what the enemy of Our Lord is training up innocent teens and young (non-believers) into excepting as okay!

I'd recommend to all, God fearing, Bible believers to see this film, so that they are prepared to give an answer at work, and other times. This is Satans tool, why not keep one up on the ol' serpant, and know some of it's tricks!?

25 posted on 10/12/2004 3:19:56 AM PDT by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: shineon
Oh, c'mon now, Josephus? You know perfectly well that he wrote nothing but fiction, like that story about Masada. Never happened. (sarcasm off)
26 posted on 10/12/2004 3:20:06 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: Uncle Vlad
Well, see. You see the peace and love thing. Many who don't go to the Lord;E.G. Atheists, agnostics, and heretics aren't stupid, they are ignoring the light of the Lord, for it shines onto them, showing their sins. It judges them, and gives them a chance to be whole in Christ.

But many people, too many are enjoying "The pleasures of sin for a season" What they don't know, is their season will end before they get a chance to recant their lifestyles!

27 posted on 10/12/2004 3:23:36 AM PDT by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: CourtneyLeigh
"Secularism" is becoming the religion of the Left. It has a very simple dogma: America is always wrong, big government is the only solution, and the only other religion that secularism tolerates is Islam, because radical Islam hates America, too.
28 posted on 10/12/2004 3:23:49 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: Uncle Vlad
Don't forget mysticism.

E.G. Eastern Religion (chinese, japanese, india, etc). These are highly accepted and practiced by millions of americans. Even christians.

Yoga, Chinese Good Luck, Eastern Meditation. You'll see it everywhere, it's even in the linen department at your local store. You'll not see any crosses or scriptures or things depicting Christianity, unless you walk into a church or Book Store.

29 posted on 10/12/2004 3:26:56 AM PDT by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: JohnHuang2
This film would have received high marks in the Stalinist Soviet Union and Red China during the late 40's and the 50's era. It's probably one of the 527 Marxist socialist atheistic Democrat Party fund-raising operatives that's making this possible. Poison the minds of the stupid government 'educated' useful idiots.

Tell a big lie long enough........

30 posted on 10/12/2004 3:27:21 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: JohnHuang2
There are no credible non-Christian references to Christ during the period in which he is said to have lived

hmmm.. then what about the Roman stories complaining about the man Jesus who was stirring up trouble in Judaea-Galilee and whose followers were doing the same
31 posted on 10/12/2004 3:27:52 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: JohnHuang2

Bump for later!


32 posted on 10/12/2004 3:28:48 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: Casloy
"... I hope Christians ignore it and don't give it publicity it doesn't deserve.

I'm predicting dozens of FR threads about the movie, some of them numbering 3000+ replies. Someone will post a picture thread of a little band of fellows FReeping the movie theatre.

Now taking bets.

33 posted on 10/12/2004 3:29:32 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: JohnHuang2

hmmmm... if anyone made even a non-fictional documentary on Mohammesd's life (padeophilia et al), he'd have his throat slit. We don't do things like that. Hmmmm.... are jihadis so bad after all?


34 posted on 10/12/2004 3:30:09 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Cvengr

This theory generally includes the supposition that Paul was the one who invented Jesus.


35 posted on 10/12/2004 3:30:21 AM PDT by klute
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To: Uncle Vlad

One might chose to discount Josephus.

But then, there is Tacitus, who says:

"But not all the relief that could come from man, not all the bounties that the prince could bestow, nor all the atonements which could be presented to the gods, availed to relieve Nero from the infamy of being believed to have ordered the conflagration, the fire of Rome. Hence to suppress the rumor, he falsely charged with the guilt, and punished Christians, who were hated for their enormities. Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius: but the pernicious superstition, repressed for a time broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, but through the city of Rome also, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their center and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind."

Tacitus, ANNALS

He was a Roman historian who had no agenda except to document what had happened.

There are also a number of apocryphal gospels that provide much evidence.


36 posted on 10/12/2004 3:30:29 AM PDT by djf
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To: The KG9 Kid
LOL
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Here's a hundred

37 posted on 10/12/2004 3:33:12 AM PDT by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: shineon
Josephus, a Jewish historian and non Christian wrote about Jesus.

Bump.

39 posted on 10/12/2004 3:33:46 AM PDT by Sloth ("Rather is TV's real-life Ted Baxter, without Baxter's quiet dignity." -- Ann Coulter)
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To: klute

The first stages of arrogance include behavior which denies what God provides. Later stages of arrogance actually attack what He has provided in an attempt to counterfeit and openly defeat God.

Neither effort in arrogance provides life.


40 posted on 10/12/2004 3:34:24 AM PDT by Cvengr (;^))
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To: AngloSaxon

The difference is that if identical films were made "debunking" Islam and Christianity, the one debunking Islam would result in a few murders and many dead careers, the one "debunking" Christianity would result in several Academy awards. Go figure.


41 posted on 10/12/2004 3:34:39 AM PDT by EaglesUpForever
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To: JohnHuang2
"It may be the case that only Caesar wrote about the Gaelic wars," he explained, "but just because there are no other writing about the Gaelic wars doesn't mean we can't trust Caesar," mentioning the four Gospels are themselves four separate accounts of Christ's life. IIRC, the only earliest copies of Caesar's writings were made by...Christian monks. We can't be so sure that Ceasar was even the author. (/sarcasm)
42 posted on 10/12/2004 3:36:36 AM PDT by wimpycat (John Kerry has a fevah, and the only prescription is "MORE COWBELL".)
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To: JohnHuang2
Don't know about the movie, but the website scores about 5% on my Tomatometer.
43 posted on 10/12/2004 3:40:40 AM PDT by John Locke
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To: JohnHuang2

Ho Hum... I've read the end of the book guys.... WE WIN.


44 posted on 10/12/2004 3:43:43 AM PDT by Walkingfeather (q)
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To: Bob_Dobbs

"...I wonder why the single most mind-blowing event of all time went unnoticed by historians who were in Rome at the time ..."

Maybe because they were in Rome. The Crucifixion occurred just outside of Jerusalem.


45 posted on 10/12/2004 3:44:32 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: CourtneyLeigh

People may have forgotten the Father, but the Father has not forgotten us! It is best if we all keep that in mind.


46 posted on 10/12/2004 3:45:14 AM PDT by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a hundred pounds!)
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To: 7thson
Exactly! And we can't forget His Word that He left behind to us for Guidance!

Let us all put on the Armor of God, and be Soldiers ready at hand, mind and spirit!

47 posted on 10/12/2004 3:46:27 AM PDT by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: Robert Drobot

Strange how Jesus has staying power, isn't it? The most recent example is the Soviet Union and the icons of communism, who destroyed the churches and attempted to wipe out Christianity by murder, theft and destruction. Now, they're on the trashheap of history and Jesus has moved to the center stage of many Russians' lives. It happens time and again with godless icons who attempt to crush Christianity: Hitler, Napoleon, Mao, the list goes on.


48 posted on 10/12/2004 3:46:59 AM PDT by laconic
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To: JohnHuang2

I would laugh - but he can face the Truth now, or face Him later...


49 posted on 10/12/2004 3:49:27 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Bob_Dobbs
There must be lots of Roman historians...

SHHH!! Rome didn't exist!

50 posted on 10/12/2004 3:50:07 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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