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'The Beast' movie: Jesus didn't exist; Former Christian director's secretive film
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Tuesday, October 12, 2004 | Ron Strom

Posted on 10/12/2004 2:54:10 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

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To: MWS

I guess it all depends on what the meaning of "was" is.

(c;


141 posted on 10/12/2004 6:05:49 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: BibChr

You guys ...


142 posted on 10/12/2004 6:07:55 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...
A movie whose purpose is to prove that Jesus Christ never existed

...is a waste of good electricity.

Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

143 posted on 10/12/2004 6:09:02 AM PDT by mhking ("The UN was supposed to be our last, best hope for peace. It failed.")
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To: Rutles4Ever
2. If Jesus was not the Son of the Living God (not to mention, God himself), then He was the greatest charlatan of all history, a man of deception, cunning, and evil.

How would it imply that The Christ Himself was “the greatest charlatan of all history, a man of deception, cunning, and evil”? From everything I have read, he was generally a kind and considerate personage. Is He responsible for the actions of those who came later?

144 posted on 10/12/2004 6:09:06 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: djf

Yes, centuries from now when scholarship will have concluded that NOBODY could have been stupid enough voluntarily to elect such a creature to high office TWICE, that dress will be put to carbon testing and DNA, and will...

...I have to stop.

Dan


145 posted on 10/12/2004 6:09:35 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: JohnHuang2

I'd be curious to know where the money funding this abomination is coming from.


146 posted on 10/12/2004 6:10:03 AM PDT by CarryaBigStick
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To: Aquinasfan

"Mr. Fleming thinks that he's watching the game, controlling it. But in reality, it's the other way around. He's got a tiger by the tail. God help him."

God won't help deciples of the beast. He'll allow the beast to devour them whole. As it should be. How else do you think the fire gets fed, with lost and traded(bought) souls. As in nature, life has and will always be about balance.


147 posted on 10/12/2004 6:11:45 AM PDT by SunnySide
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To: fortheDeclaration
There are no credible non-Christian references to Christ during the period in which he is said to have lived," states the film's site.

This is true.

This is false.

Flavius Josephus

Books XII-XX, in which he speaks of the times preceding the coming of Christ and the foundation of Christianity, are our only sources for many historical events. In these the value of the statements is enhanced by the insertion of dates which are otherwise wanting, and by the citation of authentic documents which confirm and supplement the Biblical narrative. The story of Herod the Great is contained in books XV-XVII. Book XVIII contains in chapter iii the celebrated passage in which mention is made of the Redeemer in the following words:

About this time lived Jesus, a man full of wisdom, if indeed one may call Him a man. For He was the doer of incredible things, and the teacher of such as gladly received the truth. He thus attracted to Himself many Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ. On the accusation of the leading men of our people, Pilate condemned Him to death upon the cross; nevertheless those who had previously loved Him still remained faithful to Him. For on the third day He again appeared to them living, just as, in addition to a thousand other marvellous things, prophets sent by God had foretold. And to the present day the race of those who call themselves Christians after Him has not ceased.

148 posted on 10/12/2004 6:13:15 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: JohnHuang2
that demonizes Christian fundamentalists

You only need to listen to a Kerry rally inside a black church to hear that he's battling against demons (Bush supporters).

149 posted on 10/12/2004 6:14:28 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Why are we in Iraq? Just point the whiners here: http://www.massgraves.info)
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To: BibChr

That "spurious" chapter in history will be followed by the doubts that the same party that produced one mythical creature produced another with "spurious" claims to medals, a spurious visit to Cambodia at Christmas time, traitorous meetings with enemies in a time of war, and who actively undermined the effectiveness of our troops through protests, all the while claiming THIS candidate was America's best hope for the future.

Looking back, if you can believe THAT happened, you can believe anything. ;-)


150 posted on 10/12/2004 6:15:30 AM PDT by MWS (John Kerry- The wrong candidate for the wrong office at the wrong time.)
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To: JohnHuang2; scripter; little jeremiah; EdReform

Brian Flemming appears to be another vile gay maggot who hates Christians and pushes the gay agenda constantly:

http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=Brian%20Flemming%20Gay


151 posted on 10/12/2004 6:16:46 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will the ABCNNBC BS lunatic libs stop Rathering to Americans? Answer: NEVER!)
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To: BibChr

LOL!
Somebody will make a movie that he never existed, because as vile and distasteful a creature as the hildebeast could never possibly have existed...


152 posted on 10/12/2004 6:16:57 AM PDT by djf
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To: djf

"We know Clintoon existed. We have the dress!"

Technically his DNA.


153 posted on 10/12/2004 6:17:17 AM PDT by SunnySide
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To: Bob_Dobbs
I wonder why the single most mind-blowing event of all time went unnoticed by historians who were in Rome at the time

Because they were in Rome at the time?

154 posted on 10/12/2004 6:17:47 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: JohnHuang2
ANTI-CHRIST!
 
 
What does the BIBLE say??
 
 



1 John 2:18-26
 18.  Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
 19.  They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
 20.  But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.
 21.  I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth.
 22.  Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist--he denies the Father and the Son.
 23.  No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
 24.  See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father.
 25.  And this is what he promised us--even eternal life.
 26.  I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.
 
1 John 4:1-3
  1.  Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
  2.  This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
  3.  but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
 

2 John 1:7-10
  7.  Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
  8.  Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully.
  9.  Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
 10.  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.


 
Are there MAJOR groups that say that JESUS is NOT the CHRIST??
 
Avoid them!!!
 


666!
 
Revelation 13:11-18
 11.  Then I saw another beast, coming out of the earth. He had two horns like a lamb, but he spoke like a dragon.
 12.  He exercised all the authority of the first beast on his behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.
 13.  And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men.
 14.  Because of the signs he was given power to do on behalf of the first beast, he deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.
 15.  He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.
 16.  He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,
 17.  so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
 18.  This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666.
 
(Notice NO mention of 'anti-christ' in Revelation!)

155 posted on 10/12/2004 6:17:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: BibChr
Aaah! They found out!

How about Rome's best kept secret: Nero never existed. The government made him up out of necessity.

Evolution's best kept secret: Darwin never existed. His followers made him up out of necessity.

Like C.S. Lewis said, the existence of the largest religion in the world cannot be explained if Christ was not raised from the dead, and in order to be raised, he had to exist. And we have the testimony of many secular sources to satisfy all but the skeptic who covers his eyes with his hands. See Jesus & Christian Origins Outside the New Testament by F.F. Bruce.

156 posted on 10/12/2004 6:18:02 AM PDT by Dataman
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To: JohnHuang2
"...mentioning the four Gospels are themselves four separate accounts of Christ's life."

Who's ignoring scholarship now? Scholarship suggests they're single sourced and written decades post Crucifixion.

157 posted on 10/12/2004 6:18:32 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Why are we in Iraq? Just point the whiners here: http://www.massgraves.info)
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To: R. Scott

He declared Himself the Messiah. If He wasn't, He was an imposter - a liar who preyed on the emotions of a vulnerable society of oppressed Jews. You call that kind and considerate?

The point is, one cannot reason that Christ was not the Messiah, and at the same time claim He was just some benevolent rabbi.


158 posted on 10/12/2004 6:19:59 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: newzjunkey
If by "scholarship" you mean "cutting-edge eighteenth-century scholarship and its modern echoes," yes.

Dan
How to Make Your Very Own Jesus

159 posted on 10/12/2004 6:21:29 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Grampa Dave

"Brian Flemming appears to be another vile gay maggot who hates Christians and pushes the gay agenda constantly: "

And there in is the true agenda of a deciple of the beast. It's feeding time, the beast has a voracious appetite.


160 posted on 10/12/2004 6:21:34 AM PDT by SunnySide
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