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WILLIAM SAFIRE: BUSH DELIVERED BODY BLOW IN ROUND 2
Star Tribune ^ | 10/12/04 | William Safire

Posted on 10/12/2004 8:04:09 AM PDT by areafiftyone

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- When pro-Kerry commentators solemnly pronounce Debate Round 2 to have been "a draw" -- you know George Bush won that round.

The president won because he went in with a theme spoken by the heavyweight champion Joe Louis, just before his 1946 victory over the lighter, faster Billy Conn: "He can run, but he can't hide." (The Brown Bomber caught up with Conn in the eighth round of that first TV spectacular.)

Bush's debate plan was to keep boring in on the Kerry record: flip-flopping this year on the war, but all too consistently liberal for 20 years on tax increases.

On the war, Kerry almost eagerly made Bush's point, at first saying, "I do believe Saddam Hussein was a threat," and moments later denouncing Bush for being "preoccupied with Iraq, where there wasn't a threat."

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1 posted on 10/12/2004 8:04:09 AM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone

The trick is getting Joe Public to believe it.


2 posted on 10/12/2004 8:04:52 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: Rutles4Ever

One of my favorite moments:

On the war, Kerry almost eagerly made Bush's point, at first saying, "I do believe Saddam Hussein was a threat," and moments later denouncing Bush for being "preoccupied with Iraq, where there wasn't a threat."

The president exploited the contradiction in Kerry's latest policy, which claims the ability to attract troop support from France, Germany and Russia -- while agreeing with them that the war was a diversion. To Kerry's "plan" to hold a summit, Bush asked: "And what is he going to say to those people who show up at that summit? 'Join me in the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time'?"

Although Kerry accused Bush of "mass deception," he let the president focus on that illogical policy. The Democrat weakly cited recent worrying by Republican Sens. Richard Lugar and Chuck Hagel, recited a list of retired generals who endorsed him and embraced Ronald Reagan. Such a stretch for company, accompanied by a plaintive "We will get tough!" never shows strength.

When Kerry complained again of "going it alone," Bush was ready with a powerful counterpunch: "Tell Tony Blair we're going alone. Tell Sylvio Berlusconi we're going alone. Tell Aleksander Kwasniewski of Poland we're going alone."

This not only showed that Bush knew these allies personally, but could pronounce Kwasniewski's name, which reminded Polish-Americans that Poland's president had responded angrily to Kerry's brush-off of his country's sacrifices in the first debate. (Next day, Australians stoutly re-elected John Howard, a staunch coalition member, who trounced a cut-and-run opponent -- good news for coalition leaders.)


3 posted on 10/12/2004 8:11:16 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Kerry also blundered with a weird attack on an $84 item in the Bushes' federal income tax return, supposedly from a timber business.

"I own a timber company? News to me," said Bush, adding engagingly in what was the most natural moment in the debate, "Need some wood?"

It turns out that Kerry relied on an Annenberg Internet Web site that later admitted it had been confused, which left the Democratic candidate out on a hardwood limb.

Bush was too much the gentleman to point out, now that their income taxes were in dispute, that Mrs. Kerry paid only 11 percent on her $5 million income, while the Bushes paid 28 percent.

On this Bush has to STOP being a gentleman. Bush has to hit this thug in the gut in front of everyone.!


4 posted on 10/12/2004 8:12:28 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: areafiftyone

gee, I usually read his Op/ed in the NYT - why the star-tribune this time? (/sarcasm)


6 posted on 10/12/2004 8:13:29 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: JackFinnegan

Welcome to FR.


7 posted on 10/12/2004 8:14:30 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: JackFinnegan

Made the U.S. unpopular? So what?


8 posted on 10/12/2004 8:16:32 AM PDT by Cousin Eddie
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To: JackFinnegan

You should have told her to ask them how nice it is for them to be able to be speaking an Anglo-Saxon dialect versus a teutonic one. Buh-bye


9 posted on 10/12/2004 8:16:52 AM PDT by NotADove (This country simply cannot afford another Hippie in the Oval Office)
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To: Rutles4Ever
"The trick is getting Joe Public to believe it."

First impressions are the most lasting they say...and Joe Public heard Ron Reagan, Andrea Mitchell and Chrissy Matthews hand the win to President Bush. We just need to keep reminding people.

10 posted on 10/12/2004 8:16:59 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: JackFinnegan

No buddy the trouble is with the animals who spat on your wife.


11 posted on 10/12/2004 8:17:45 AM PDT by wrathof59 (semper ubi sub ubi)
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To: JackFinnegan

No one believes you. Buh bye!


12 posted on 10/12/2004 8:18:45 AM PDT by Beelzebubba (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)
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To: JackFinnegan

Being right isn't always popular.


13 posted on 10/12/2004 8:19:17 AM PDT by DarthVader (Defeating John Kerry is just as important as destroying Al-Quaeda!!!!)
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To: Rutles4Ever

You know, if only informed intelliegent people we allowed to vote the final total in this election would be Bush 85% / Kerry 15%.


14 posted on 10/12/2004 8:19:51 AM PDT by no dems (I don't care what people think about me anymore; I speak the truth. Deal with it.)
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To: JackFinnegan

We have an imbecile troll in Jack Finnegan blaming our President when his wife is spat on by some degenerates.
How about defending your wife's honor girlie-man?


15 posted on 10/12/2004 8:19:54 AM PDT by wrathof59 (semper ubi sub ubi)
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To: JackFinnegan
In London she was pushed and spat on when they heard her accent.

Your wife doesn't get along with her business associates "across the pond"?

16 posted on 10/12/2004 8:20:43 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: JackFinnegan

Jack, as your heroine is so fond of shouting: SHOVE IT !!


17 posted on 10/12/2004 8:20:58 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: JackFinnegan

Don't be such a girlieman!


18 posted on 10/12/2004 8:21:03 AM PDT by DarthVader (Defeating John Kerry is just as important as destroying Al-Quaeda!!!!)
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To: JackFinnegan

"The trouble is: our president has made the US really unpopular"

I guess for you, being popular with "jerks" is important...


19 posted on 10/12/2004 8:21:12 AM PDT by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: JackFinnegan

The trouble is: our president has made the US really unpopular.



5 posted on 10/12/2004 8:13:27 AM PDT by JackFinnegan
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Correction: Spineless Euroweenies have made America unpoplular.

Of course that all changes when the Enemy comes marching to their front door, then the sniveling cowards demand America step up and do it Duty as the World's policeman.


20 posted on 10/12/2004 8:21:23 AM PDT by Area51 (Diapers and Politicians need to be changed-For the same reason)
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To: JackFinnegan
"My wife has just come back from a business trip in England. She faced a lot of aggression just for being American. The English think every American votes for Bush. In London she was pushed and spat on when they heard her accent. This was ironic because she didn't even vote for our president. I did. The trouble is: our president has made the US really unpopular"

It's too bad your wife had to experience what our Vietnam HEROES had to experience when they came back TO THEIR OWN COUNTRY, due to the likes of John Kerry.

21 posted on 10/12/2004 8:21:45 AM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: JackFinnegan
My wife has just come back from a business trip in England. She faced a lot of aggression just for being American. The English think every American votes for Bush. In London she was pushed and spat on when they heard her accent. This was ironic because she didn't even vote for our president. I did. The trouble is: our president has made the US really unpopular.

I'm in London all the time and I've never had a problem. The most I get is a taxi driver telling me how bad Bush is. Be careful about generalizing. I know a lot of Brits that are conservative.

22 posted on 10/12/2004 8:21:45 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: JackFinnegan

Hey Jack, if you think we believe this cock and bull story you just told, you need to get off that crack you're smoking.


23 posted on 10/12/2004 8:22:02 AM PDT by no dems (I don't care what people think about me anymore; I speak the truth. Deal with it.)
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To: JackFinnegan

Our first President was not particularly popular in England. Our sixteenth President was not the most popular either. He paid for it with his life. Our forty second President was very popular around the world. He also did nothing to protect the American people and readily traded missile guidance technology for campaign contributions.


24 posted on 10/12/2004 8:22:47 AM PDT by Pharlap
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To: JackFinnegan
In London she was pushed and spat on...

Someone shoved and spit on your wife and you weren't on the next flight over. What kind of man are you. How does someone with a last name like Finnegan take that from some Brits. Why, if I didn't know any better I would think you are a spineless, puny, girlie man, liberal.

25 posted on 10/12/2004 8:23:08 AM PDT by MattinNJ (Only Arnold would have the stones to say Nixon was the reason he was a Republican.)
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To: JackFinnegan
No, the trouble is pansies like you.

Hello, goodbye.

A_R

26 posted on 10/12/2004 8:23:08 AM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: JackFinnegan; Admin Moderator

Are you visiting from DU??

Sounds like it.......

Possible Troll sighting


27 posted on 10/12/2004 8:24:25 AM PDT by sissyjane (Silk pajamas for dress up, and flannel for everyday-perfect Freeper wardrobe!!)
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To: JackFinnegan
The trouble is: our president has made the US really unpopular.

Why didn't you say so?

In that case, we should all just forget this ever happened, and beg the forgiveness of Islamofascist terrorists everywhere.


28 posted on 10/12/2004 8:24:27 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: JackFinnegan
"unpopular...??" What?? Is that a disease...are you 15 years old, that popularity should matter??? Is 'unpopular' an unbearable alternative to 'dead', to 'subjugated by Muslims', to 'force fed a religion not of your own choosing', to 'losing your right to vote' or 'leaving your home without a sheet over your head'..??? DUHHH!!!
29 posted on 10/12/2004 8:25:04 AM PDT by SMARTY ('Stay together, pay the soldiers, forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus, to his sons)
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To: JackFinnegan

Don't go to Europe. Seriously, it's going to get worse. I've heard Europeans say that it's Bush's fault now but if we re-elect him it's all American's fault as we will have approved of his policies.

Frankly I'm sick and tired of Europeans trying to influence our election. When Bush is re-elected, and he will be, just don't plan any trips to Europe. If you have to go there for business, stay out of bars and public transport. The European economy is sick now. A fall in American tourism is just the ticket to push a sick Europe over the edge.


30 posted on 10/12/2004 8:25:06 AM PDT by Arkie2
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To: JackFinnegan

Your wife was not spat on because she was an American.

She was spat on because of her behaviour.


31 posted on 10/12/2004 8:25:19 AM PDT by stevestras
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To: JackFinnegan

You should have chosen Franceasthe country she visited, it would have made your lie a little more believable. I guess Tony Blair's wife gets spat upon all the time. Not.!


32 posted on 10/12/2004 8:25:57 AM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: JackFinnegan
My wife has just come back from a business trip in England. She faced a lot of aggression just for being American. The English think every American votes for Bush."

Oh....may it be.

I've been over there too. Bush is not the cause of anti-Americanism, but rather the combination of a screed-writing press and a public that believes everything they see on TV. Television came late to Europe, they have very few voices, and 90% of Europeans cannot discuss Bush vs. Kerry with any significant knowledge base at all. I find them, on the whole, grossly ignorant of American politics. My aquaintance is with France, a counrty which just 2 decades ago was still giving 25% of their votes to an avowed Stalinist. Exceedingly stupid people.

----(But great cheese and a gorgeous countryside). As they say: "how odd of God to waste France on the French."

33 posted on 10/12/2004 8:26:55 AM PDT by cookcounty (Kerry: He began by trashing the VN Vets. He ends by trashing the NG. Such class is rarely seen.)
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To: JackFinnegan

I just got back from London a week ago and got the opposite reaction from everyone I spoke to. Taxi drivers and pub patrons make for better conversation I guess.


34 posted on 10/12/2004 8:27:17 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: JackFinnegan
"our president has made the US really unpopular"

Horse hockey. That's akin to saying that the police negotiator is a murderer when a cowardly thug shoots his hostage.

The Left and its complicit media is largely responsible for portraying President Bush in the worst possible light and "making the US really unpopular." They're using every means at their disposal that they dare use. It's as effective a set of ploys as those they were using on Saddam in the 12 year run-up, while their leaders became even richer and more elitist.

All that deserves to have as little tangible effect on President Bush as it would have had on its continuation with Saddam.

HF

35 posted on 10/12/2004 8:27:45 AM PDT by holden
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To: JackFinnegan

Solution? Don't do business in racist England. Yes, racist:
"she was pushed and spat on when they heard her accent"


36 posted on 10/12/2004 8:27:51 AM PDT by balk (Martin's goin' down (just you wait!))
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Incredible picture. We need more reminders of September 11, 2001. It seems as though so many have forgotten why we are at war. Thank you for posting it.


37 posted on 10/12/2004 8:27:56 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: JackFinnegan
Well, if Americans based everything we did on whether or not we're popular with the British, we'd still be colonies.

ww
38 posted on 10/12/2004 8:28:37 AM PDT by worrywart
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To: nmh

"Tell Aleksander Kwasniewski of Poland we're going alone."

Kerry set that one up. The RATS were trying to get Bush to pronounce the the Polish Presidents name incorrectly so that they could pounce on Bush. Kerry jumped, Bush moved and Kerry landed on his face.


39 posted on 10/12/2004 8:29:39 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Control the information given to society and you control society.)
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To: JackFinnegan
This is a war, a WAR on TERROR, not a popularity contest.

Do you think this precious child or her family give a rat's @$$ if anyone spit on your wife? Popular? You should be ashamed.

40 posted on 10/12/2004 8:31:55 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: areafiftyone

Now we move on to Wednesday nights's domestic issues debate, where the Flop-Flippin for Kerry is even more intense!!! There's a reason he never talks about his Senate record, and now America's going to find out WHAT IT IS!


41 posted on 10/12/2004 8:35:43 AM PDT by cookcounty (Kerry: He began by trashing the VN Vets. He ends by trashing the NG. Such class is rarely seen.)
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To: worrywart

FYI, we are popular with probably 50% of the Brit's just like we are popular with 50% of Americans (ie red states, ok maybe 20% of the Dims actually love their country so 70%).


42 posted on 10/12/2004 8:39:18 AM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: nmh

I think he is right, though, not to push the percentage the Kerry's paid on their taxes. That could backfire. I suspect their income is largely dividend income and Kerry can come back and say that he, in fact, opposes the tax law changes that reduced the tax rate on dividends. He can then use his own personal situation as the perfect argument that Bush has helped the rich avoid taxes.


43 posted on 10/12/2004 8:47:51 AM PDT by Another Thought
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To: Pharlap
Our first President was not particularly popular in England. What a great line. The Prez needs to use this in the debate tomorrow night.
44 posted on 10/12/2004 8:49:23 AM PDT by no dems (I don't care what people think about me anymore; I speak the truth. Deal with it.)
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To: areafiftyone

lunchtime bump for later read

New Anti-Dem Portal...

SEE ---> http://www.noDNC.com/


45 posted on 10/12/2004 8:50:52 AM PDT by woodb01 (Take out the 'dnC'BS "news" trash... SEE ---> http://www.noDNC.com)
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To: Hatteras; texasflower; Jewels1091
The folks may be interested to know that this unidentified precious baby is located in Iraq. And from the facial expression, he/she doesn't have any worries, at least when the photo was taken. It's in the collection published on October 9, 2004 at http://ChamorroBible.org/gpw/gpw-20041009.htm , along with three other downright adorable photos. One of the photos of was recently brought to the forum's attention under the title Heartwarming Photographs of the Day -- Including "Eager Son", http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1240426/posts , where a couple people rightfully described it as "sweet."
46 posted on 10/12/2004 9:15:23 AM PDT by EnjoyingLife
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To: JackFinnegan
"This was ironic because she didn't even vote for our president. I did. The trouble is: our president has made the US really unpopular."

Your president made the US really unpopular with Islamists, many of whom atill think, because of him, that every American is a drunken coke fiend who'll hump anything or anyone that stays still long enough and gleefully murder our babies in order to use their budding body parts to fix our own failing ones.

I'd welcome you to FR but...

47 posted on 10/12/2004 9:17:22 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: EnjoyingLife

Ooh, she is adorable! What a little angel.

I had saved the picture of the little boy the other day because it was so sweet. The little girls running to daddy is really sweet also.

Thanks for the ping.


48 posted on 10/12/2004 9:18:49 AM PDT by texasflower (Liberty can change habits. ~ President George W. Bush 10/08/04)
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To: areafiftyone
I love all the debates for a number of reasons.

Reason #12 -- The four contenders this time around are making Al Gore look like the politician who failed his acting lessons. For this, I applaud even John Edwards.
49 posted on 10/12/2004 9:20:04 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: wrathof59
How about defending your wife's honor girlie-man?

Daaaaaaaaaannng ! That's gonna leave a mark !

50 posted on 10/12/2004 9:24:28 AM PDT by UsnDadof8 (The groundswell of public opinion is about to hit John Kerry. And it won't be pretty)
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