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Election determines fate of nation"
Ellensburg Daily Record (Ellensburg, Washington)... ^ | Wed 06 Oct 2004 | Mathew Manweller

Posted on 10/12/2004 10:17:05 AM PDT by yoe

One of the best dissertation on the importance of this election. A must read! written by Mathew Manweller... Central Washington University political science professor...

"In that this will be my last column before the presidential election, there will be no sarcasm, no attempts at witty repartee. The topic is too serious, and the stakes are too high.

This November we will vote in the only election during our lifetime that will truly matter. Because America is at a once-in-a-generation crossroads, more than an election hangs in the balance. Down one path lies retreat, abdication and a reign of ambivalence. Down the other lies a nation that is aware of its past and accepts the daunting obligation its future demands. If we choose poorly, the consequences will echo through the next 50 years of history. If we, in a spasm of frustration, turn out the current occupant of the White House, the message to the world and ourselves will be two-fold.

First, we will reject the notion that America can do big things.

Once a nation that tamed a frontier, stood down the Nazis and stood upon the moon, we will announce to the world that bringing democracy to the Middle East is too big of a task for us. But more significantly, we will signal to future presidents that as voters, we are unwilling to tackle difficult challenges, preferring caution to boldness, embracing the mediocrity that has characterized other civilizations. The defeat of President Bush will send a chilling message to future presidents who may need to make difficult, yet unpopular decisions. America has always been a nation that rises to the demands of history regardless of the costs or appeal. If we turn away from that legacy, we turn away from who we are.

Second, we inform every terrorist organization on the globe that the lesson of Somalia was well learned. In Somalia we showed terrorists that you don't need to defeat America on the battlefield when you can defeat them in the newsroom. They learned that a wounded America can become a defeated America.

Twenty-four-hour news stations and daily tracing polls will do the heavy lifting, turning a cut into a fatal blow. Except that Iraq is Somalia times 10. The election of John Kerry will serve notice to every terrorist in every cave that the soft underbelly of American power is the timidity of American voters. Terrorists will know that a steady stream of grizzly photos for CNN is all you need to break the will of the American people. Our own self-doubt will take it from there. Bin Laden will recognize that he can topple any American administration without setting foot on the homeland.

It is said that America's W.W.II generation is its 'greatest generation'. But my greatest fear is that it will become known as America's 'last generation.' Born in the bleakness of the Great Depression and hardened in the fire of WW II, they may be the last American generation that understands the meaning of duty, honor and sacrifice. It is difficult to admit, but I know these terms are spoken with only hollow detachment by many (but not all) in my generation. Too many citizens today mistake 'living in America' as 'being an American.' But America has always been more of an idea than a place. When you sign on, you do more than buy real estate. You accept a set of values and responsibilities.

This November, my generation, which has been absent too long, must grasp the obligation that comes with being an American, or fade into the oblivion they may deserve.

I believe that 100 years from now historians will look back at the election of 2004 and see it as the decisive election of our century. Depending on the outcome, they will describe it as the moment America joined the ranks of ordinary nations; or they will describe it as the moment the prodigal sons and daughters of the greatest generation accepted their burden as caretakers of the City on the Hill."

Mathew Manweller


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1 posted on 10/12/2004 10:17:06 AM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

The bottom line is that DIMS are cowards.

If sKerry slims his way into the WH, look for the American Civil War part two to begin unfolding.


2 posted on 10/12/2004 10:20:28 AM PDT by gunnygail (Founding member of the VRWC. --Black Helo crewman. (I operate the Liberal tinfoil hat scanner.)
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To: yoe

Bump


3 posted on 10/12/2004 10:21:01 AM PDT by itslex71 (southern by birth, republican by the grace of my dad)
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To: yoe

Why don't people get this? Why are there so many that hate Bush with an inexplicable intensity? We didn't hate Clinton the way they hate Bush!


4 posted on 10/12/2004 10:22:06 AM PDT by RockinRight (John Kerry is the wrong candidate, for the wrong country, at the wrong time)
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To: yoe

The fate of the nation could rest in this guy's hands?

5 posted on 10/12/2004 10:23:42 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: yoe; Cincinatus' Wife; crushkerry; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; MistyCA; ...

BTTT


6 posted on 10/12/2004 10:27:23 AM PDT by EdReform (Have you seen FAHRENHYPE 9/11? - www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1240926/posts)
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To: gunnygail
If sKerry slims his way into the WH, look for the American Civil War part two to begin unfolding.

Strange. I've been having the very same thought. Civil War II. Not a very happy prospect.

7 posted on 10/12/2004 10:30:26 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: yoe
I could not agree more with this man's assessment of what is at hand.

We are at a crossroads of history, as is another country at a crossroads in a despotic region called the Middle East.

The US and Iraq both must succeed if this great nation is to remain relevant in the pursuit of dictating the history that is to come.

If Kerry should win the White House come this November, we may be forever known as the generation that over saw the fall decline of the United States.
8 posted on 10/12/2004 10:32:43 AM PDT by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: 6SJ7

Same here.


9 posted on 10/12/2004 10:35:15 AM PDT by Fast1 (Kerry Con "My only regret is I have but one Country to destroy for my presidency”)
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To: EdReform; yoe
***Once a nation that tamed a frontier, stood down the Nazis and stood upon the moon, we will announce to the world that bringing democracy to the Middle East is too big of a task for us. But more significantly, we will signal to future presidents that as voters, we are unwilling to tackle difficult challenges, preferring caution to boldness, embracing the mediocrity that has characterized other civilizations. The defeat of President Bush will send a chilling message to future presidents who may need to make difficult, yet unpopular decisions. America has always been a nation that rises to the demands of history regardless of the costs or appeal. If we turn away from that legacy, we turn away from who we are.***

Yes! If we don't stand now, the next time we have to defend ourselves, the enemy will have more resolve to fight.

10 posted on 10/12/2004 10:48:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: gunnygail
If sKerry slims his way into the WH, look for the American Civil War part two to begin unfolding.

My fahter's been saying that since the 1970's, he figured it would have happened from 1985 to 1990, well he's at least half a generation off but htere are times I wonder if he was on to something. Back then, it was considered "tin foil hat" territory. Even the DUmmies over at Democratic Underground are talking about it. There are times I wonder if we have reached a point of irreconcilable differences and it is over but the fighting or peaceful breakup or whatever. I know I'm talking about this more and more and I still feel uncomfortable about it, but I cannot help these thoughts. Has the United States as we've known her "jumped the shark?" I know if that phrase existed in the 1970's, my father would have used it. Before I get slammer for saying "jumped the shark," I mean not for us, most of us here do believe in the old Republic and what it stood/stands for, maybe not as strong in some areas as in others and vice versa, let's face it, we are all different but we do believe that we need a good country with traditional policies and a strong defense and we cannot go wobbly.

I found this site, John Titor.com about a time traveller from 2036 who outfitted a 1967 Camaro (from the interior I thought it was a 1968 Pontiac LeMans, we had one, it reminded of that car) and went back to 1975 and 2000/2001. Even if you don't believe the time travel story, myswelf, I feel anything is possible but must be tested, still the story he tells about a possible civil war in the future. Myself, "John Titor" could be someone of a Conservative/Judeo-Christian/Traditionalist/Libertarian (tough to pin it down, there are elements of all in there) who is trying to get that message out in the story.

I feel it too, families and friend splitting up and so on. When I bring it up, many do think I'm just a Rambo wannabe. Not true, frankly, I'm scared to think about it. We are losing the country we believe it and many of us here hate to see that. FrankenKerry, if he gets in, we are screwed to put it in a nutshell. I could almost weep as I type this.

A don't know what the future holds, but I think if we keep President Bush in office, we stand a good chance of preserving what we have. Of course, the DUmmies might go ape, but at least we would have the upper hand.
11 posted on 10/12/2004 10:54:01 AM PDT by Nowhere Man
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To: 6SJ7
"Civil War II. Not a very happy prospect."

For fifty years, the left in this country has worked day and night through the media, courts, schools, universities, and government at all levels to destroy American Nationalism in the foolish belief that this would be the only way to bring on the "New World Order". In fact what they have actually accomplished is the fall of Western Civilisation and the possible beginning of the next Dark Age. Western Europe is already finished. By the end of this century it will be completely Islamitized. Civil War II will be the opening drama in what will come to be know as the Great Downfall. It may very well indeed come down to the outcome of this next election.

12 posted on 10/12/2004 10:54:15 AM PDT by Desron13
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To: RockinRight
Why don't people get this? Why are there so many that hate Bush with an inexplicable intensity? We didn't hate Clinton the way they hate Bush!

Well, the way I see it is the only way they might be happy is if President Bush would nail himself to a cross, then again maybe that wouldn't be too good for them. I didn't wish that on Clinton at all, as long as he was out of office, I'd be happy.
13 posted on 10/12/2004 10:58:44 AM PDT by Nowhere Man
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To: Nowhere Man
"Even the DUmmies over at Democratic Underground are talking about it."

I've noticed this to. I even noticed that one imbecile had enough brain cells left to point out the fact that it's the right that has all the guns. He seemed deeply depressed by this prospect.

14 posted on 10/12/2004 11:05:36 AM PDT by Desron13
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To: Desron13
For fifty years, the left in this country has worked day and night through the media, courts, schools, universities, and government at all levels to destroy American Nationalism in the foolish belief that this would be the only way to bring on the "New World Order". In fact what they have actually accomplished is the fall of Western Civilisation and the possible beginning of the next Dark Age. Western Europe is already finished. By the end of this century it will be completely Islamitized. Civil War II will be the opening drama in what will come to be know as the Great Downfall. It may very well indeed come down to the outcome of this next election.

Playing future historian, I can forsee when Western Europe is Islamic, there could be a two front war for the Russians, Eastern Europe, and the rest of the former USSR. They will have to face troops to the south AND west. Red China, I always felt they would be our next enemy in a cold war but if the Islamists do gain a foothold, they are just as fearful of them as we are so we might have an ally there, only time will tell if it is just for convenience or actually true. You might have a Russian/Red Chinese Bloc in Eurasia. The Indians will be a part of this too so they could be the third major player in Eurasia.

Civil War II or no, you might see a mass exodus of Europeans to the United States, more so if we incur any population losses, there will be more open land. I'm sure there are many Europeans just as miffed as we are at all of this but the PC crowd has taken a foothold in their countries, they are silenced through fear and so on.

The United States and Canada, well, depending what happens, you might have a weaken "rump USA" (or if we managed to hold together, USA) join with Russia/Red China/India/et al in the war against Islamo-Fascism. The Islamo-Fascists with the nuclear arsenals of the French and UK, God knows, they might build more, might launch a nuclear strike on the four major powers against them, and their allies, we fire back, and boom!

Well, just an abstract on some thoughts here. Timetable, I can't say, maybe 2010 onward. It's kind of iffy though, you cannot really assign a "when" although the "if" is more clear.

I think I got my scenario for my Morrow Project role playing game, too bad it could happen. B-P
15 posted on 10/12/2004 11:08:25 AM PDT by Nowhere Man
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To: gunnygail

No, they are not cowards. They are socialists/communists who know that their years of planning and manipulation of media, government, education, entertainment and religion can become a reality in a little over three weeks. John Kerry and others have been implanted in our government waiting for their moment to rise up and this is it. Kerry is no accident.


16 posted on 10/12/2004 11:08:29 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: gunnygail

No, they are not cowards. They are socialists/communists who know that their years of planning and manipulation of media, government, education, entertainment and religion can become a reality in a little over three weeks. John Kerry and others have been implanted in our government waiting for their moment to rise up and this is it. Kerry is no accident.


17 posted on 10/12/2004 11:09:37 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: gunnygail
look for the American Civil War part two to begin unfolding.

You know, I've had that same thought rolling around in my mind for some time now. Maybe the leftists scum in this country need to prove their ideals are worth fighting for.

18 posted on 10/12/2004 11:12:40 AM PDT by ProudEagle
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To: Desron13
I've noticed this to. I even noticed that one imbecile had enough brain cells left to point out the fact that it's the right that has all the guns. He seemed deeply depressed by this prospect.

I saw that too, if we went toe to toe, I think most DUmmies in the fight would have a "life expectancy of a pizza in a college dorm room." Believe me, I used to deliver pizza, I know all about that. B-) At least he had enough brain cells left to notice that truth. I think mosto f the military would be on our side too. I work in a photo lab in a drug store while looking for better employment (aqt least I'm not sitting on my butt waiting for FrankenKerry to bring manna from Heaven), I work with a 20 year old lady who is married to a tank driver in the Army who might be sent to Iraq as soon as he's out of training. She and her husband are deathly scared of FrankenKerry getting in.
19 posted on 10/12/2004 11:13:53 AM PDT by Nowhere Man
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To: Toespi
No, they are not cowards. They are socialists/communists who know that their years of planning and manipulation of media, government, education, entertainment and religion can become a reality in a little over three weeks. John Kerry and others have been implanted in our government waiting for their moment to rise up and this is it. Kerry is no accident.

I think Joe McCarthy was right, maybe a generation or two off, but as each day goes on, I'm convinced more and more that he was right.
20 posted on 10/12/2004 11:15:25 AM PDT by Nowhere Man
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To: Nowhere Man
"She and her husband are deathly scared of FrankenKerry getting in.

If sKerry gets elected, look for a subtle or maybe not so subtle shift in the makeup of the armed forces. You saw some of the shape of things to come under the Klintoon administration. The Libs do indeed fear the current military.

21 posted on 10/12/2004 11:19:31 AM PDT by Desron13
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To: yoe
Civil War II... I have also been thinking a lot about this lately. As of now, I'm not sure this war is coming. But it certainly could.

I've also been thinking about what Sir Tyler wrote 200 years ago:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can exist only until voters discover that they can vote themselves largesses from the public treasury. From that time on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.

"The average age of the world's great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage."

To me this seems almost prophetic. I'm thinking we're in the "complacency to apathy" stage.

Other thoughts?

22 posted on 10/12/2004 11:42:58 AM PDT by upchuck (Pajamas? I don' need no steenking pajamas!!)
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To: yoe

I AGREE .. THIS ELECTION IN 2004 IS FOR THE SOUL OF AMERICA.


23 posted on 10/12/2004 11:44:10 AM PDT by CyberAnt (Election 2004: This election is for the SOUL OF AMERICA)
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To: Desron13
point out the fact that it's the right that has all the guns

Good point LOL, we do have all the guns, this should be much easier than the first Civil War. Not only do we have them but we know how to use them. CD

24 posted on 10/12/2004 11:49:02 AM PDT by Coffee_drinker (Mountain Grown)
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To: Coffee_drinker

Three (3) count'em, trois, tres, drei SUPREME COURTS JUSTICES. Did I mention that THREE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES are at stake. This is Thermopylae and where are we gonna find 300 Spartans. Armageddon. Boys and girls were playing for the future, nay the existence of WESTERN CIVILIZATION. Any questions? Go Bush!


25 posted on 10/12/2004 11:56:44 AM PDT by Calusa (One Nation Gone Under.)
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To: yoe; Gamecock; HarleyD; CourtneyLeigh; hiredhand; Dr. Eckleburg

Arm yourselves and your loved ones ping.


26 posted on 10/12/2004 12:00:31 PM PDT by Lexinom ("A person's a person no matter how small" - from Dr. Seuss' Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Ed Current

Ping


27 posted on 10/12/2004 12:03:35 PM PDT by Lexinom ("A person's a person no matter how small" - from Dr. Seuss' Horton Hears a Who)
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To: RockinRight
"...We didn't hate Clinton the way they hate Bush!"

Ummmm...well....er...ahem...

The only difference is there was some legitimate reasons.

28 posted on 10/12/2004 12:08:31 PM PDT by HarleyD (United we stand. Divided we.........)
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To: yoe

Outstanding statement of just what's at stake in this election.


29 posted on 10/12/2004 12:08:50 PM PDT by Wolfstar (John Kerry may trust the enemies of America, but the American people just can't trust John Kerry.)
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To: yoe
I agree, if we can't stand firm now, as we are under President Bush, and elect weaklings that are intimidated by the whore media, that acquiesce to Political Correctness and popularity ratings then we send a message of defeat to all our enemies. That horrific event would show the world that America will bow to opinion rather than uphold principle. sKerry must not win!
30 posted on 10/12/2004 12:09:15 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless President GWB and our Brave Troops)
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To: CyberAnt

This election is crucial, but the election in 2008, when Hillary wants to win will be crucial also.


31 posted on 10/12/2004 12:23:37 PM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: Lexinom
Arm yourselves and your loved ones ping.

Yes sir! ...well on the way.
32 posted on 10/12/2004 12:56:28 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: OnwardXtianSoldiers

Well, IMO.

It would most likely come from the Left rioting, etc, etc, when and if GWB wins.

Remember, to the Left politics IS their religion, so another Bush victory under (what they consider) shady procedures would be akin to crucifying Jesus.

Whether or not it would forment into a civil war, or days/weeks of chaos is the question.

Personally if Kerry wins, I will pray for the US and wait for whatever may come...


34 posted on 10/12/2004 1:36:56 PM PDT by CygnusXI (Where's that dang Meteor already?)
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To: OnwardXtianSoldiers
Tinfoil hat time.
I can envision UN troops being brought over to put down an armed rebellion under a Kerry administration.
35 posted on 10/12/2004 1:53:31 PM PDT by Shaun_MD (Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - In times of War the Law will Fall Silent - Cicero)
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To: OnwardXtianSoldiers

I think with the way the country is divided, anything is possible. I would lean more toward the left beginning an armed conflict, but if Kerry won under dubious circumstances I think a major revolt on the right would take place. I think we have already started down the path to a second civil war.

You asked if I would personally
get involved in an armed conflict. If it meant protecting
American citizens and my family or defending the Government then yes I would. Without question.


37 posted on 10/12/2004 2:13:01 PM PDT by Shaun_MD (Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges - In times of War the Law will Fall Silent - Cicero)
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To: OnwardXtianSoldiers; hiredhand; CygnusXI
We've been in the war a long time. What will come, will come gradually. Just look at the last two years: Anti-sodomy laws struck down, gay marriage, even the most modest of restrictions on abortion consistently struck down with no Constitutional basis, the Ten Commandments removed from a courthouse in the South.

Possible future developments based on our current trajectory:

* Revocation of tax-exempt status for churches.
* Fines and punishment for speaking publicly against leaders.
* Fines and punishment for speaking publicly against protected constituent groups, incl. sermons referencing abortion and homosexuality.
* Pledge of Allegience removed from all classrooms.
* Federally-maintained list of suspicious "insurgents", known to hold beliefs at odds with the government and an impediment to the international vision.
* Federal usurping of large chunks of industry, for our "protection".

* Removal of our guns.

Much of this has been and can be effected through taxation patterns, as we've seen in the last decade with so-called "sin taxes".

I don't rule out an all-out civil war, which is why I say again, arm yourselves for your own protection.

38 posted on 10/12/2004 2:13:46 PM PDT by Lexinom ("A person's a person no matter how small" - from Dr. Seuss' Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Nowhere Man
Civil War II or no, you might see a mass exodus of Europeans to the United States

No thanks, we don't want them. They're the folks that are responsible for Western Europe being flushed down the crapper in the first place. Its like NYC residents fleeing to NJ - and now look at what has happened to NJ over the last 20 years, its become a carbon copy of NYC in many ways.

39 posted on 10/12/2004 3:36:17 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: Shaun_MD; Travis McGee
I can envision UN troops being brought over to put down an armed rebellion under a Kerry administration.

One could write an interesting novel about the subject, or a similar one.

40 posted on 10/12/2004 3:37:34 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: DeweyCA
This election is crucial, but the election in 2008, when Hillary wants to win will be crucial also.

Hillary won't run in '08 if Lurch is President. Which is why he won't win - the October surprise will be something that the Clintons' agents release (and we'll never know it-ever).

41 posted on 10/12/2004 3:39:00 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: Desron13
I've noticed this to. I even noticed that one imbecile had enough brain cells left to point out the fact that it's the right that has all the guns. He seemed deeply depressed by this prospect.

He should be happy about the situation. We're unlikely to start shooting the unarmed.

42 posted on 10/12/2004 4:04:08 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Ancesthntr

"No thanks, we don't want them."

You're generalizing. European nations are generally a democracy. It's the majority that have elected socialists to power over and over that are to blame. There are still many there we DO want here. They would be an asset.


43 posted on 10/12/2004 4:10:21 PM PDT by nosofar
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To: yoe

bookmarked


44 posted on 10/12/2004 4:15:10 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: sauropod

ping, dear.


45 posted on 10/12/2004 4:19:52 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Lexinom
After reading a few of the other's posts, I'm not at all shocked, Lexinom.

Ever since we came to Northern Kentucky, and it's been long explained to me, that those states that are a Common Wealth and a few other states have in the past made vocal, their opinions and feelings about a separation. There are quite a few states here along the East Coast and in the MidEast America that would rather be governed like a CommonWealth than a Federation.

When I first heard this, I was like: "Great!" No More Clinton! LOL

Now I feel, while a separation seems like a good idea, it's not going to solve the ongoing hatred Americans share with each other, and the other nations!

Remember Ghost Busters... the scene in NYC, where everyone sang with love and harmony....That was a short cry of reality there as to what this country really needs!

Love and Understanding is more like it! But we've long awaited this unimaginative war... Holy War?? Or War of Nations? Or War of Power? or War of Money??? What will it be?

46 posted on 10/12/2004 4:52:57 PM PDT by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: hiredhand; Lexinom; Northern Yankee; Havoc; Indie; SLB; Mr. Silverback; Reactionary; ...
Yes sir! ...well on the way

Right behind thee Brethren!



47 posted on 10/12/2004 5:03:52 PM PDT by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: upchuck
To me this seems almost prophetic. I'm thinking we're in the "complacency to apathy" stage.

I think you're off by one stage. I think we're in "apathy to dependency".
48 posted on 10/12/2004 5:38:44 PM PDT by TwoWolves (The only kind of control the liberals don't want is self control.)
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To: CourtneyLeigh
I like a good multiple-choice quiz.

A) Holy war
B) War of nations
C) War of power
D) Economic war

After careful consideration I'd have to go with E) Brass tacks. When my government forces me to disobey the Law of God, that is when I say, "enough." For example, suppose my wife were pregnant and our government had set a limit on the number of children women could bear. We had met that threshold. The law demanded she have an abortion. That is a hypothetical that must be fought, and hard.

Now we're not there yet, but we're getting there. We're coming to a point wherein the Left assumes a priori the truth of its beliefs to the point they thoughtlessly attempt to apply them to us all. Dissenters who don't see things their way are "irrational", not guided by "reason". Yet they all the time deny any absolute basis for reason and arrogate to themselves a fraudulent victory.

In the War Between the States, or Civil War, or War of Northern Agression (depending on your viewpoint), the South fought for state sovereignty. The North fought for national unity. Slavery was an ideological issue that ostsensibly divided brother against brother, but in reality the slave trade was never widely held in high regard even in the Old South. The despicable practice could have come to an end without a war. Contingent on the subsequent end of slavery and segregation in the South, we may have been better off as two or more nations. We'll never know.

Point is, our hope as humans is for peace not war, as illustrated in your Ghost Busters example, Marshmellow Man notwithstanding. But if we must take up arms, it will be for our fundamental rights to worship and live as we deem necessary without federal intrusion, without Big Gubmint extorting our tax dollars to indoctrinate our children with ideas we repudiate, and not the other lofty ideals. Practical, every day things. Brass tacks.

Those are my thoughts, anyway.

49 posted on 10/12/2004 6:51:49 PM PDT by Lexinom ("A person's a person no matter how small" - from Dr. Seuss' Horton Hears a Who)
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A good read.


50 posted on 10/12/2004 6:57:36 PM PDT by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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