China moves 30,000 troops to N. Korean border

World Tribune ^ | 10/12/04

[truthandlife]

China's sudden transfer of more than 30,000 Chinese troops to border areas with North Korea is apparently intended to block a massive influx of North Korean defectors, a Japanese newspaper reported on Oct. 7.

The North Korean army has also dispatched elite forces along the border in response to China's deployment, the Sankei Shimbun reported, citing sources informed on Chinese issues.

The Japanese government has confirmed military movements along the Sino-North Korean border by using satellite photographs and is monitoring the situation using its intelligence network.

The deployment of Chinese troops was so sudden that there were not enough barracks available and soldiers are being quartered in farmhouses. The rapid deployment was ordered because of growing signs in North Korea of an impending mass defection, the newspaper reported.

The troop movements followed widespread rumors that North Korean soldiers manning the border would flee the North en masse.

Chinese troops were sent to the region ahead of the winter season when North Koreans can easily cross the frozen river into China, the newspaper reported. It quoted sources as saying that China is concerned about the possibility that armed North Korean troops might escape due to food shortage and assault homes and citizens in local cities bordering the North.

A diplomatic source in South Korea also said the military movements by China and North Korea seemed aimed at blocking mass defections of North Koreans.

The Sanhe-Kaishantun-Nanping region in which the Chinese troops were deployed is near one of main routes through which North Korean escapees can make their way to China, according to the South Korean sources. North Koreans can cross the narrow river with relative ease, especially when it is frozen.

The report also raised that possibility the deployment was in response to preparations against a possible civil war in North Korea over who would be the country's next leader.

Meanwhile, the South Korea Defense Ministry said China would send about 400,000 troops to fight alongside North Korea should war break out on the Korean peninsula.

China rescued North Korea in the 1950-53 Korean War, sending some 1 million troops to fight with North Korea against South Korea and the United States.

[RockinRight]

North Koreans defecting into China? That's like trading in a Yugo for a Chevette (slight improvement) when there's a Camry (S. Korea) not too far away.

[Publius]

The endgame approaches.

[Rebelbase]

A bit of overkill. They should have used the US as a role model and hired an additional 1000 Border Patrol agents. According to Bush it's working.

[AdamSelene235]

North Koreans defecting into China? That's like trading in a Yugo for a Chevette (slight improvement) when there's a Camry (S. Korea) not too far away.

China's fiscal burden of government is ~2X lower than the United States. Hong Kong's is 3X lower.

[RockinRight]

Meaning what? Taxes? Or % of GDP?

[Diogenesis]

Secretary of Defense Cohen, Impeached Bill Clinton, Albright, and long-accepted CODE-level thief
and document destroyer National Security Adviser Sandy Berger,
holding court in the Ronald Reagan Building on April 25, 1999
The Impeached Bill Clinton: "We were all making comments
we shouldn't have about how the meeting was getting very boring.
So finally we decided we had to make like the monkey. Cohen
started this 'hear no evil,' and then I was next so I spoke no evil,
then Madeleine saw no evil, so Sandy Berger said, 'I'm evil.'" -

[conrad metcalf 42]

Goodbye Kim! Don't feel bad! They will be taking Taiwan along with you.

[maestro]

The endgame approaches.

Right.

Australian/Chinese naval forces to cover the coasts.

(Japan/Taiwan out in the cold?)

(Millions of Mexicans 'defecting' to DNC America too?)

/election endgame?

[Eric in the Ozarks]

It was 150,000 last week.

[Drammach]

The endgame approaches.

I would be interested in your take on these developments..

My personal take..

Military sees a brutal winter approaching.. no food, etc.. ( even though the military receives most of the food and benefits, even they will suffer )

It is expected that an American attack is coming.. ( this is due to N. Korea's own constant propaganda stating that an American attack is immenent.. )

An upcoming test of Atomic weapons, which would undoubtedly be a signal for American military intervention. .

If you have any other insights, I would be interested in hearing them..

[justshutupandtakeit]

Yeah, life is sooo much better there than here. So when are you leaving?

[Delta 21]

Isnt Kerry's posion on this that China cant or wont influence the North Koreans? I bet they noticed it before we did!

[NYFriend]

Right, but you're missing one thing. When the Elite NK troops all defect, NK will call it an invasion.

[Iscool]

North Koreans defecting into China? That's like trading in a Yugo for a Chevette (slight improvement) when there's a Camry (S. Korea) not too far away.

Hey, I had a Chevette...Great Car...170,000 miles and running good til some lady pulled out in front of me...OTOH, I had two friends that owned new Camrys...They got rid of them and said they'd never own another...

[r9etb]

yesterday a thread said there were 150,000 on the border.

The Chinese secretly transferred 120,000 of them to their bases in Somalia.... ;-)

[Publius]

I don't believe we will ever attack North Korea. They have nukes and the ability to deliver them to us, so we have to treat them with respect whether we like it or not.

A nuclear North Korea, however, is not in China's interest. The NK's have made it clear they will sell WMD technology to any buyer with hard cash, and the Chinese know that one of those devices could be sold to an Islamic separatist group, driven within a mile of party headquarters and detonated. Boom, and no more Chinese government.

China does not want to invade, but I wouldn't be surprised if those two large explosions had some connection to Chinese pressure on NK. I suspect they're waiting for NK's implosion, perhaps with a little assistance, and then they intend to replace the Kim family with a new leader who knows which side his bread is buttered on.

[finnigan2]

If you had to pick out one picture that represented the utter unserious nature of the Clinton years, the one of these four clowns mugging for the camera would have to be in the running. Meanwhile, Bin Laden and Atta were finalizing their plans to murder thousands of Americans and North Korea was secretly finishing it's atomic bomb development scheme.
They were a despicable crowd of clowns who chuckled and tapped danced their way through a decade during which the terrorist threat gathered and grew.

[struwwelpeter]

You would probably enjoy this old article from a Russian news weekly, How Clinton manipulated Yeltsin

[AdamSelene235]

Yeah, life is sooo much better there than here. So when are you leaving?

When are you going to remove me?

95% of the way through Alex H.'s bio by Ron Chernow.

Fascinating stuff, his primary mistake was assuming that those who inherited his systems could match his integrity.

Not true.

[AdamSelene235]

Meaning what? Taxes? Or % of GDP?

Expenditures as a % of GDP

See The Heritage Foundation/Wall Street Journal Index of Economic Freedom

I've never seen a crowd of Americans forcibly remove tax collectors from their marketplace. I imagine compliance, economic surveilance, and enforcement are much greater here than in China.

[RockinRight]

True, but the average Chinese salary is $660 a year or something like that.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Me? Never do such a thing.

I heard Chernow on CSAN a few months ago sounds as though he has the right story on Alex.

[AdamSelene235]

True, but the average Chinese salary is $660 a year or something like that.

purchasing power parity - $5,000 (2003 est.)

Somehow they still have money left over to lend to the US to finance the explosive growth of government and our housing bubble.

[cynicom]

The total was 150,000 troops with some armoured divisions. They are not used to stop refugees.

[AdamSelene235]

Yeah, life is sooo much better there than here.

I was responding to an assertion that China was no better than N. Korea.

It is substantially better.

Furthermore, Americans who rail against communism in China make little sense to me as it is Chinese net savings that finance the expansion of Socialism here in the States.

[RockinRight]

I wonder when China will crack and the regime will be replaced with a more truly capitalist one.

[AdamSelene235]

I heard Chernow on CSAN a few months ago sounds as though he has the right story on Alex.

His thoroughness seems to leave little room for dishonestly.

[RockAgainsttheLeft04]

So that picture of Klintoon, dag-faced commie Albright, stuffed-shorts Berger and turncoat Cohen (and what exactly was his problem anyway that he sold out his own side to become another boot-licking Clinton sychophant) was taken on April, 25, 1999.

Wasn't that while we were at war? Jeez, no wonder this bunch of crooks can't bother to stand up for our country and our military in the current time of war when they couldn't even be bothered to take their jobs seriously WHILE THEY were having our pilots sent into harms way (to massacre innocent Serbs, based upon trumped-up, fictional claims made my Islamo-Fascists).

Orange jumpsuits for the lot of them.

[justshutupandtakeit]

You are scrambling some concepts here since financial burden is not the same as economic freedom. Nor is economic freedom the same as political freedom. There is no country higher in the latter scale than the US.

Nor has the economic burden been a better deal than in the US.

[ApesForEvolution]

Hostile merger?

[justshutupandtakeit]

Your first comment is true.

Your second decidedly false since Chinese savings are not the major source of funding for the American government which is also NOT socialism. If you do not define terms properly little understanding is possible.

[Plutarch]

Geez, I had to check to make sure this wasn't an old post from 1950.

[AdamSelene235]

You are scrambling some concepts here since financial burden is not the same as economic freedom.

I never asserted it was.

Nor is economic freedom the same as political freedom.

I never asserted it was.

These assumptions were yours not mine.

[AdamSelene235]

Your second decidedly false since Chinese savings are not the major source of funding for the American government

Asian savers are the primary consumers of American debt.

which is also NOT socialism

Whew! Thats a relief. For a moment I thought Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, free home loan downpayments, free pills for granny, etc, etc, were socialistic.

[datura]

So what exactly is your point other than being a supporter of China?

[AdamSelene235]

the American government which is also NOT socialism

The primary function of the US government is wealth redistribution. Socialist wealth redistribution far outweighs any other function of the Federal Government. The defense of life,liberty and property are afterthoughts.

[AdamSelene235]

So what exactly is your point other than being a supporter of China?

You forgot to enumerate my hatred of Mom and apple pie. Get it straight!

[N. Beaujon]

Fantastic. Once again, the Bush Administration's realpolitiks trumps sKerry's Global plan.

I wonder if this will make it into the New York Times? Will they just bury it on page A 26, colum 5, line 86 or do you think it will make in into the "Living Section" in May?

[justshutupandtakeit]

My assumption was that you posted something relevent to your prior statement. Pardon me for being mistaken.

[justshutupandtakeit]

"Asian" is not "Chinese" which was whom your original statement referenced.

That merely verifies your mistaken definition of socialism since none of those things are socialism.

[NJ_gent]

"The total was 150,000 troops with some armoured divisions. They are not used to stop refugees."

Perhaps they're big, mean refugees! :-)

[justshutupandtakeit]

Socialism is not "wealth redistribution" though THAT is not what the fedgov does either.

Actually socialism is not even "income redistribution" either which IS what the fedgov does.

Unfortunately, in the Real World of today voters' votes must be purchased in order to maintain National Security.

Only by such purchase can any of those "afterthoughts" be realized. Barring a drastic change in sufferage requirements.

[Sam the Sham]

If this is true, military discipline in the NKPA has collapsed. In a revolution, the last stage of the fall of the old regime, the point where there have been daily riots in the streets for months, is when the soldiers refuse to obey their officers. Like when the Parisian garrison joined the attack on the Bastille. Like when the Rumanian army soldiers joined the rioters in Timisoara.

There could be whole provinces and regions outside of effective government control.

The endgame could be very, very soon.

[AdamSelene235]

My assumption was that you posted something relevent to your prior statement. Pardon me for being mistaken.

They didnt teach coherence at my government school.

[12 Gauge Mossberg]

I don't believe we will ever attack North Korea. They have nukes and the ability to deliver them to us, so we have to treat them with respect whether we like it or not.

NK don't have nukes or else they would've used them by now.

[AdamSelene235]

Actually socialism is not even "income redistribution" either which IS what the fedgov does.

Fair enough.

Unfortunately, in the Real World of today voters' votes must be purchased in order to maintain National Security.

70 trill + in unfunded liabilities will not result in "national security". It is, in fact, a recipe for civil war.

[NJ_gent]

"NK don't have nukes or else they would've used them by now."

That's pretty interesting considering the fact that it contradicts the intelligence agencies of Russia, South Korea, and Japan, as well as the CIA, the DIA, and the President of the United States.

Pray tell, do you have information they don't have? I'm certain our President would love some new intelligence information that 4 nations couldn't find.

[nosofar]

I wonder when China will crack and the regime will be replaced with a more truly capitalist one.

As long as the PLA remains docile, there won't be any serious problems.