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CIA secretly holds 11 of bin Laden's lieutenants
Times On Line ^ | October 13, 2004 | Daniel McGrory

Posted on 10/13/2004 6:57:59 AM PDT by dead

A SAUDI militant accused of financing the September 11 hijackings is among a group of al-Qaeda suspects being held in secret by the CIA, it emerged yesterday. Mustafa al-Hawsawi is said to have told agents how al-Qaeda funds its operations.

Human rights campaigners named the 36-year-old computer expert as one of 11 “ghost prisoners” held at secret detention centres around the world. President Bush said that he has not been told where these suspects are. Human Rights Watch, which named the 11, said that the Red Cross had not been allowed to see them and their families had not been told that they were alive. Some have been held for more than three years.

The US-based campaign group claimed that some had been tortured into giving evidence used by the White House in the run-up to the war in Iraq to make the case that Saddam Hussein had links with al-Qaeda. But the group claimed that the CIA had now admitted that some detainees lied under pressure. The CIA and the Pentagon refused to comment.

Reed Brody, special counsel with Human Rights Watch, said that by refusing to admit the detentions, the US had violated international law and the Geneva Convention. “The US demeans itself when it adopts the philosophy that the ends justify the means in the fight against terror,” he said.

These 11 are said to include some of Osama bin Laden’s most trusted lieutenants, and al-Hawsawi allegedly knows the names of militants funded by al-Qaeda.

He was reportedly arrested in Pakistan in March last year and sent to a secret interrogation camp in Afghanistan.

Rather than claim an intelligence coup, the CIA has kept “ghost prisoners” secret but claims that their evidence has helped to foil terrorist attacks, including some in Britain.

Al-Hawsawi was said to have been arrested with Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, alleged mastermind of the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon. Al-Hawsawi is also said to have given details of British militants recruited as would-be suicide bombers, whom he helped to finance.

They included Zacarias Moussaoui, the South Bank University student in London who is awaiting trial in the US for his alleged role in September 11. Another is said to be Ibn al-Shaikh al-Libi, who ran al-Qaeda’s biggest training camp in Afghanistan. Foreign recruits were sent for weapons and explosives training at the Khalden camp.

Al-Libi was reportedly seized in December 2001 while fleeing the fighting in the Tora Bora mountains, and is among the handful who knew where bin Laden fled to as US-led forces closed in on the al- Qaeda leader’s hideout.

Al-Qaeda’s operational commander, Abu Zubayda, a Palestinian arrested in Pakistan in March 2002, is also said to be a detainee. He was said to be a possible successor to bin Laden and was the architect of attacks after September 11.

GENEVA RULES

Article 71: Prisoners of war shall be allowed to send and receive letters and cards

Article 72: Prisoners shall be allowed to receive parcels of foodstuffs, clothing, medical supplies and religious, educational or recreational items including books, musical instruments and sports outfits

Article 126 The Red Cross shall have permission to visit all places where prisoners are held. They shall be able to interview the prisoners . . . . Visits may not be prohibited except for reasons of imperative military necessity


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Eleven less nuisances.
1 posted on 10/13/2004 6:58:00 AM PDT by dead
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To: dead

I hope this is true!


2 posted on 10/13/2004 6:59:33 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: dead

International Red Cross. Scourge of the earth. Beholden to terrorists and mass murderers alike.


3 posted on 10/13/2004 6:59:52 AM PDT by Crazieman (Islam. Religion of peace, and they'll kill you to prove it.)
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To: dead

Article US1: Terrorists get jack-sh*t.


4 posted on 10/13/2004 7:00:12 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: dead
Geneva rules also say that they must be uniformed members of a country's military.

Screw 'human' rights watch.

5 posted on 10/13/2004 7:00:23 AM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.)
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To: dead
Visits may not be prohibited except for reasons of imperative military necessity..."

That takes care of that issue.

6 posted on 10/13/2004 7:01:03 AM PDT by Radix (What turns orange in Sept., is carved up in Oct., and is thrown out in Nov.?)
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To: dead

And the problem is WHAT? Or is Mary's little boy, suggesting we let them go so they can kill more Americans....Afgans,Pakistani's, Russians, Saudi's, Iraqi's etc etc etc.


7 posted on 10/13/2004 7:01:47 AM PDT by marty60
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To: atomicpossum

You are right: human rights are for humans only.


8 posted on 10/13/2004 7:02:45 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: dead

Sounds like the human rights activists are helping Bush. At least that's my take. Maybe Kerry will offer to put them in the witness protection program.


9 posted on 10/13/2004 7:03:09 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: atomicpossum
"Screw 'human' rights watch." I agree. Why are human rights advocates only concerned with protecting criminals? Are they screaming about the situation in the Sudan, for instance?
10 posted on 10/13/2004 7:03:16 AM PDT by Heartland Mom (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: dead

Human Rights Watch, which named the 11, said that the Red Cross had not been allowed to see them and their families had not been...


Only problem. These are illegal combatants. They do not have the same protections as POWS. Based on the Convention, terrorists CAN legally be summarily executed. So be careful what you wish for Hysteric Left. These people are currently being treated BETTER then we are legally required to.


11 posted on 10/13/2004 7:03:18 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Vote Bush 2004-We cannot survive a 9-10 President in a 9-11 World)
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To: dead

Terrorists are not prisoners of war, so the Geneva Accords do not apply to their detention.


12 posted on 10/13/2004 7:03:47 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: marty60

I have no problem with this. You do not fight a junk yard cur by poodle rules (swipe at sKerry), you get a bigger meaner junk yard cur and throw him in.


13 posted on 10/13/2004 7:04:44 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Member of 3rd Pajamahadeen Division, 2nd Boxer Shorts Brigade, 4th Bunny Slipper Battalion)
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To: dead; Poohbah; section9; Common Tator; Dog; Howlin; Miss Marple; PhiKapMom; Congressman Billybob; ..
Well, I'm all broke up about their rights.

When these human rights groups can reverse the violation of Barbara Olson's human rights at the hands of al-Qaeda, I'll consider the rights of these al-Qaeda bigwigs.

Until then, my response to these humar rights groups constitutes three words: Yob tvoyu maht!

14 posted on 10/13/2004 7:05:23 AM PDT by hchutch (I only eat dolphin-safe veal.)
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To: Proudly Republican

Yeah, I read about "Human Rights Watch" all the time complaining about Hamas using kids to blow people up...


15 posted on 10/13/2004 7:06:03 AM PDT by Osage Orange (A Palestinian girl says to her mommy, "After Abdul blows up, can I have his room?")
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To: hchutch

Until then, my response to these humar rights groups constitutes three words: Yob tvoyu maht!


RIGHT ON! Ditto from me you twerps.


16 posted on 10/13/2004 7:06:50 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Vote Bush 2004-We cannot survive a 9-10 President in a 9-11 World)
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To: Crazieman

Where were the Red Cross A$$holes when the beheading victims were being held?


17 posted on 10/13/2004 7:08:02 AM PDT by rennatdm
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To: atomicpossum

LOL !! Don't hold back atomicpossum, speak your mind.


18 posted on 10/13/2004 7:10:54 AM PDT by no dems (I don't care what people think about me anymore; I speak the truth. Deal with it.)
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To: dead

Hogwash, if the CIA captured 11 bearded men it was probably a bunch of Amish.


19 posted on 10/13/2004 7:12:02 AM PDT by xJones
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To: TheDon

"GENEVA RULES"

Al Qaeda is not a Geneva signatory.

The Geneva rules don't apply.


20 posted on 10/13/2004 7:13:16 AM PDT by adam_az (Call your State GOP office and volunteer!)
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