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RS: Bush Like Me - Ten weeks undercover in the grass roots of the Republican Party
Rolling Stone ^ | (Posted Oct 06, 2004) | By MATT TAIBBI

Posted on 10/13/2004 11:34:04 AM PDT by weegee

I never felt any longing to go to Orlando, Florida. What I felt, in traveling south to volunteer for the campaign of George W. Bush, was an obligation. Let me explain by first saying something about the critics of our president. A great many of them like to laugh at George Bush for not reading books and for being uninterested in visiting other countries. But a lot of those same people are guilty of the opposite offense. They prefer to read books and travel abroad rather than actually getting to know their own country face to face.

These critics do a terrific job of mocking his mental deficiencies and dismissing his supporters as hapless morons, but they do not do a very good job of explaining the nature of his support. The few dissident commentators who bother trying to explain the Bush phenomenon seldom do more than reach for the nearest Marx-inspired academic cliche. They will tell you, for instance, that Republicans are a vast intellectual underclass cynically manipulated by the rich through a mesmerizing cocktail of yahoo enthusiasms, xenophobic fears and ancient superstitions -- and those same people will insist, if forced to offer an opinion on the subject, that one should feel sorry for most of them.

This is the wrong approach. As a professional misanthrope, I believe that if you are going to hate a person, you ought to do it properly. You should go and live in his shoes for a while and see at the end of it how much you hate yourself.

This was what I was doing down in Florida. The real challenge wasn't just trying to understand these Republicans. It was to become the best Republican I could be.

Republicans are everywhere, but everywhere is not a good place to look for them. For my purposes I wanted to try to catch them in their ideal habitat. That was why I chose Orlando. For me, it is hell on earth, the worst city on the planet, a place that would make me long for Kinshasa or Volokolamsk. But for Republicans, it is ideal: a scorching-hot paved inland archipelago of garish shopping malls and stadium-size steel-and-glass Baptist churches, a place with no nonhuman life apart from the caged animals at the theme parks, and an entire economy organized around monstrous temples to fake experience.

I arrived in early June, moved into a cheap hotel, called the local Republican office and offered to volunteer. They told me to come on by. So I went, arriving early on a Tuesday morning at their small strip-mall office on the east side of town.

My cover story was a travesty, an idiotic tissue of halfhearted lies. I said I was a New York City schoolteacher named Tom Hamill, in Orlando to spend a summer with a girlfriend who was from the area. It was the best thing I could come up with to explain my Northern accent, my lack of local connections and all that free time.

The story's only saving grace was that the truth was so much more unbelievable. Republicans are paranoid enough to expect a mole from the Kerry campaign, but I was far worse than that -- a dissolute, drug-abusing anarchist who reads the battle diaries of Vietnamese generals on rainy days, roots for Russia at the Olympics and once published an article titled "God Can Suck My D**k." I was, in short, the most offensive individual who could conceivably be planted in the campaign of George W. Bush. I was tempted to feel guilty about this. But in the end I figured that it was only fair. Since John Ashcroft has made it easy for FBI agents to infiltrate anti-war groups, it seemed to make sense that an anti-war journalist should infiltrate Ashcroft's party.

Orlando is the crucial city along a stretch of interstate called the I-4 corridor, a swath of central Florida running from Daytona Beach to Tampa. Home to 3.7 million of Florida's 9.3 million registered voters, it has the bulk of the state's undecided voters and is therefore the key to winning Florida's twenty-seven electoral votes. When I got there, I expected a teeming, ultramodern NORAD-style campaign headquarters, where I would have to work my way up a giant totem pole. But in fact what I found was -- nothing at all. For all intents and purposes, there was no campaign for George Bush in Orlando in early June. There was only one paid staffer, a central-Florida field director named Vienna Avelares, and a corner of a table at the local Orange County Republican Executive Committee. If the Republicans were building an electoral Death Star somewhere, it sure as hell wasn't in Florida.

The situation was completely disarming. Vienna, a gregarious Puerto Rican single mother who insisted on introducing herself as "Vienna -- like the sausage," seemed desperate. I had planned on doing a good job anyway, but after meeting her I had a genuine desire to help get things going.

After just a week of coming in every day like this, I became -- along with a young blond Sean Hannity fan named Ben Adrian, who also volunteered at that time -- one of the most important Bush people in all of central Florida. Within a few weeks, we would both be given keys to the office and offered full-time jobs.

Here I want to make a general observation about the social aspect of working for Bush. It's very different than it is working for a Democratic candidate. Corny as this sounds, it is much more egalitarian and brotherly than most Democratic campaigns. Almost every Democratic campaign I've seen has let itself be seduced by the Primary Colors paradigm -- the hip clique full of mildly sexually adventurous twentysomethings who have been working on their memoirs since high school and dream of that chance to wear Versace sport coats and crack jokes on Jimmy Kimmel Live.

If you've ever hung out with the Tricia Enrights and Joe Trippis of the world, you know that the operative vibe of the Democratic insider is wisecracking cool. It is not a reach to say that the ideological vision that mainstream Democratic politics has offered America since Clinton has been the supercool high school, the party of the popular kids. For all the talk about the Democrats being the party of inclusion, it really doesn't feel that way from the inside.

That's not true of all Democrats, of course. I thought it was very different, for instance, in the campaign of Dennis Kucinich. For the most part, these people were motivated by something other than ambition, and just being part of that campaign meant you were in a besieged minority, with the whole world out there laughing at you. Kucinich supporters stuck up for one another, because they had to.

You get that same besieged fraternal feeling in a Republican campaign office. There is no M*A*S*H ensemble-cast repartee. Nobody wears T-shirts that mean something, and nobody looks cool. As I would later find out, most Republicans hate "cool" ("They all think they're so cool and artistic," griped one woman as she watched Fox coverage of Democratic delegates arriving in Boston). Many of the parent volunteers I met were especially bitter because they think that cool is what liberals use to lure their children away. Which they might very well be right about, of course.

In my first month on the campaign, I did not meet many people who came into the office with the serious intention of working hard for the president. I did, however, meet a great many very lonely people who came in because they knew the Bush offices were the one place where they could share certain deeply held ideas without being ridiculed.

Part of my job, I soon came to understand, was to be supportive when people like portly Tampa sheriff's deputy Ben Mills came in to share their very serious utopian ideas -- like the benefits of having a society guarded by a clone army. "We'd save a hell of a lot on benefits and medical expenses," he said. " 'Cause you know if they got wounded..."

"You could just shoot them," I said.

"Exactly -- pow! Just shoot 'em dead, right in the ground."

He went on.

"We'd just have a big breeding farm in Colorado," he said. "Course, it'd be a security problem if they got out, you know, if you had rogue clones running around. You'd have to have a special security force to maintain 'em."

"That's where folks like us would come in," I said.

"Exactly," he said.

Folks like us. I was getting the hang of it.

In my first six weeks on the campaign, I saw only one black person enter our offices. He was a recently released armed robber from Newark, New Jersey, who was the guest of a local female Republican politician. The ex-con was not particularly interested in Republican politics, although he did say something about wanting to hit Christine Todd Whitman in the face with a brick. I urged him to support the president, even though he couldn't vote. He didn't make any promises.

In mid-July a girlfriend came down from New York to visit me. I recruited her to help me with an idea I'd had to at least temporarily diversify my office environment. We decided that she would pose as a reporter for Vibe magazine, call our offices and ask whoever answered the phone if she could interview our "black volunteers."

"Penny" got my officemate Ben Adrian on the phone, and he instituted a frantic search that lasted several days. We thought at first that we might have a black professor from the University of Central Florida (sixteen miles away) on our volunteer list, but he turned out not to be available. Then Rhyan Metzler, the local Republican Party operative, gave us the number of an elderly man in Sarasota named Johnny Hunter.

As the chairman of the Federation of Black Republicans for the Republican Party of the State of Florida, Johnny was used to being called to this sort of duty. On the phone with "Penny," he explained that his job involved traveling around the state to meet people. "Wherever they need me," he said, "that's where I be rolling to." Finally, Ben came through with someone more local. He managed to persuade a thirty-seven-year-old Promise Keeper Christian named Lorin Jones, a phlegmatic fellow who was recovering from two brushes with congestive heart failure, to come in for an interview.

We scheduled it, but "Penny" never showed up. I wanted to be there for what I knew would be an excruciatingly awkward situation; the lone black volunteer, dragged into the office to show off to the media, surrounded by a bunch of nervously small-talking white Republicans waiting for the no-show journalist.

Exactly this situation materialized. The bespectacled Lorin sat surrounded by me, Ben and a few other folks from the campaign, and treated this anxious clock-watching crowd to a lesson in the vagaries of black urban existence: "My dad was a drinker," he said. "He cared about the bottle more than he loved us. But what my mom did was, she worked -- she was there in the afternoon; she wanted to see what we were doing in school.... "

"Gee," mumbled Ben. "I can't imagine the strength.... I'd like to meet her."

"I know what it's like to have a parent who'll put a belt on my butt," Lorin continued.

Nervous silence. Nods.

A few minutes later, "Penny" called to cancel, citing car trouble. Lorin hung in there for a few minutes. Our older volunteer coordinator, Don Madden, came over to chat; the two of them apparently went to neighboring schools in California. Don's school, Don said, was great at basketball, but, he said, winking at Lorin, "You were probably the only guys who could have beaten us."

Lorin laughed uncomfortably. "We were OK," he said. "We were pretty good. Our college was pretty good at basketball."

Then another staffer came over to say hi. He knew Lorin from past campaigns and asked if Lorin was planning on coming in to do phone banking. Lorin answered that he wasn't, that he was busy setting up a school-supplies giveaway charity event in his neighborhood. The staffer laughed.

"Oh, come on," he said jokingly. "I know how you people don't like to work." Lorin, who was halfway out the door, stopped at this. His smile disappeared. For a moment, he was genuinely pissed off. "We don't like to work?" he said. "That's all I do is work to make you white Republicans look good."

The staffer, a jovial guy who I normally liked quite a bit, said nothing and simply slapped Lorin on the back, laughed and helped him out the door.

"Good old Lorin," he said, going back to his office.

Vienna also chimed in after Lorin left. The two of them didn't like each other, having once disagreed at a community meeting.

"I don't like that guy," she said. Then she explained: "After that meeting, we really got into it. We were really shouting. He called me a spic. And so I said to him, 'Hey, I may be a spic, but at least I wasn't brought to this country as a slave. I was born here.' "

"Man," I thought, "We're just one big happy family."

I ended up getting to know Lorin Jones a little. He was an odd, sincere person who interested me largely because he was by far the most dedicated, effective and intellectually honest Republican volunteer the party had in the area, and yet the campaign more or less completely ignored him.

A devout Christian, Lorin supported Bush not only because of the social-religious issues, but because he sincerely believed that state financial aid had had a corrosive effect on the black community and that communities should support themselves through charity. He was the living incarnation of the "thousand points of light" idea. He ought to have been a poster child for Republican values.

"In my neighborhood, you can go up to anybody and ask where the black Republican lives," he said. "And they'll lead you right to my house. But they respect me because of what I've done."

And I saw this. At a function I would later attend in his neighborhood, I met several people who had been converted to Bush by Lorin. He was working round-the-clock for the president, but the campaign was just trying to turn him into another Johnny Hunter. "All they want me to do is start clubs," he said. "Tallahassee keeps calling and bugging me to start black clubs. And I hate that, because I think that puts us all in boxes. I think we should be going out into the community more."

Lorin believed that Republicans could win twenty percent of the black vote -- not the usual ten percent -- if they were smart about it. All they had to do, he said, was visit black churches and hand out fact sheets showing the Republican and Democratic stances on social and religious issues. "You wouldn't even have to campaign," he said. "You'd get an extra ten percent right there."

I must have heard him put forward that plan a half-dozen times, but no one did anything except smile and nod.

Some of the Republicans, however, were willing to help Lorin -- sort of. A smallish contingent of five YRs (Young Republicans) met Lorin in front of an Office Depot in a white suburban area one Saturday to man a booth for soliciting school-supply donations for kids in Lorin's neighborhood. They worked cheerfully throughout the afternoon, giving away hot dogs and helping Lorin get a good amount of stuff.

But when it came time a few days later to actually give away the stuff in Lorin's West Orlando neighborhood, none of the YRs showed up. I was the only white Republican who made it. It was a remarkable event. More than 200 people, mostly single mothers and their children, showed up at a funeral home called Gail and Wynn's to receive the book bags and notebooks Lorin had gathered to give away in one of the reception rooms.

I helped distribute bags to the children. "Vote for Bush," I managed to whisper a few times.

That day Lorin confided to me that this might be his last go-round with the Republicans. "I think this might be it," he said. "I think I might be done with these people."

During my time on the campaign, I noticed an unusual phenomenon. The more involved a person was with the campaign, the more likely he was to be politically moderate. Most of the core group of our office -- Vienna, Rhyan, Ben, Don -- were quietly pro-choice or socially liberal in some other respect. It was the casual volunteers and the people whose only involvement was a bumper sticker who were likely to rant about liberals being traitors and agents of Islamo-Fascism who should be exiled from the country or jailed, etc.

I saw this clearly one weekend at a local gun show, where we were manning a voter-registration booth. I rotated with Rhyan and Vienna that weekend, and all three of us were quietly freaking out at the sight of all these fat weirdos from the sticks buying huge assault rifles and Confederate bumper stickers with messages such as IF I'D KNOWN THIS WOULD HAPPEN, I'D HAVE PICKED MY OWN COTTON.

"Man, I'm glad I'm a socially liberal Republican," whispered Rhyan at one point, laughing.

It was late July, and a new recruit was talking in my ear -- let's call her Susie -- and she was an opinionated, middle-aged fundamentalist-Christian mother of five. Originally from West Virginia, she was working the phones for Bush and sounding off on humanity's declining morals and the agents of the international liberal conspiracy.

"Are you married, Tom?" she asked.

I squinted in apprehension, sensing a Jesus conversation on the way. "Uh, no," I said.

"My oldest," she began, "has a three-year-old and has been with the same girl for six years, and he will not marry her."

"Oh," I said, remembering to sound shocked. "That must really upset you."

"It kills me," she said.

"Does he not go to church?"

"Oh, occasionally," she said, sighing. "He will tell you right off.... He encourages her to go and to take their little daughter, and he tells you he's hopeful that God doesn't come, or nothing happens to him before he rededicates his life. But he's definitely not living a life that either honors God or is even pleasing to himself."

"You should give him those Left Behind books," I said solemnly.

I took a deep breath. Throwing out Left Behind -- that runaway best seller in which God comes to earth and literally yanks the believers to heaven, leaving piles of still-warm clothes and dentures behind with the condemned -- was like being a novice wizard and saying a spell for the first time. I wasn't sure it would actually work. It did.

"He won't read 'em," Susie answered seriously.

"He won't read them?" I cried, shocked.

"He won't read 'em," she repeated. "He doesn't like the way it makes him feel."

We talked for a little while longer, then Susie got up to go.

A half-hour later, the phone in the office rang. It was Susie, inviting me to dinner with her family. It was the act of a good Christian. I must have sounded lonely. "I'm making fettuccine Alfredo," she said.

I told her, "I love fettuccine Alfredo."

One of the great cliches of liberal criticism of the Christian right is the idea that these people are wrongheaded because they profess to know the will of God. H.L. Mencken put that one best, and perhaps first: "It is only the savage, whether of the African bush or the American gospel tent, who pretends to know the will and intent of God exactly and completely."

These criticisms sound like they make sense. But I think they are a little off-base. The problem not only with fundamentalist Christians but with Republicans in general is not that they act on blind faith, without thinking. The problem is that they are incorrigible doubters with an insatiable appetite for Evidence. What they get off on is not Believing, but in having their beliefs tested. That's why their conversations and their media are so completely dominated by implacable bogeymen: marrying gays, liberals, the ACLU, Sean Penn, Europeans and so on. Their faith both in God and in their political convictions is too weak to survive without an unceasing string of real and imaginary confrontations with those people -- and for those confrontations, they are constantly assembling evidence and facts to make their case.

But here's the twist. They are not looking for facts with which to defeat opponents. They are looking for facts that ensure them an ever-expanding roster of opponents. They can be correct facts, incorrect facts, irrelevant facts, it doesn't matter. The point is not to win the argument, the point is to make sure the argument never stops. Permanent war isn't a policy imposed from above; it's an emotional imperative that rises from the bottom. In a way, it actually helps if the fact is dubious or untrue (like the Swift-boat business), because that guarantees an argument. You're arguing the particulars, where you're right, while they're arguing the underlying generalities, where they are.

Once you grasp this fact, you're a long way to understanding what the Hannitys and Limbaughs figured out long ago: These people will swallow anything you feed them, so long as it leaves them with a demon to wrestle with in their dreams.

Which brings me back to Left Behind. Who gets left behind? Nobody, that's who. How could they leave us behind? They couldn't live without us. Even their most intimate family meals would seem lonely if we were missing.

At first, the vacationing New York schoolteacher Tom Hamill didn't say much at the dinner table. Speak when spoken to, help serve the fettuccine, pass the white bread and margarine. Ask politely about her son's senior year at high school, her twelve-year-old daughter's home schooling, the job her husband lost two years ago -- or maybe it was five. Smile in placid agreement as Susie compares Massachusetts Democrats (like Tom's real-life mother) to Al Qaeda. A cozy family dinner in Anytown, U.S.A.

Dinner started at about seven. John Kerry was set to accept the nomination at the FleetCenter in a few hours. Dinner Table wondered if the terrorists would strike. "No, no," Susie said. "The criminals wouldn't attack their own kind."

"Hear, hear," I said.

I concentrated on my food. Grace was easy: Just hang your head. But once they moved into politics and religion, I began to worry that my silence was becoming conspicuous. Susie was shooting me searching looks. I noticed her husband, the wiry gray-haired dad with the slow voice and the henpecked posture, was watching me whenever I chewed. Like he was checking to see if I would swallow. Finally the discussion switched to the high school one of her sons attended; he had a couple of crazy teachers there, a mean lady and a guy with man-boobs....

"We have a transvestite at our school," I whispered, suddenly inspired.

Susie's husband and older son were still talking about the man-boobs teacher. "Whaddya mean, which one?" the younger said to his dad.

"We have a transvestite at our school," I repeated.

Only Susie heard me. "No!" she screamed. "Did you hear what he said? A transvestite works at his school!" She turned to me in horror. "Is he allowed to dress like a woman?"

Now I had everyone's attention.

"Oh, yeah," I said. "Totally normal guy, except that at some point, he started reading all kinds of . . . "

"Books!" Susie guessed.

"It's called possession," her husband said.

"Yeah, books," I said. "It started . . . he was reading Agatha Christie books at first, then he got really into detectives. Next thing you know, he's reading Nietzsche. You know, the German philosopher."

"The weirdo German!" Susie exclaimed.

Everyone was staring at me in shock.

"And he comes up to me one day and says, you know, 'Well, since there's no God, I might as well be gay!' "

"Oh, my God," her husband whispered.

"And he starts talking like this, and his appearance got more and more strange. . . . He started coming into work in drag. . . . "

"Oh, my God," the husband repeated.

"And his boyfriend would come and pick him up at school. . . ." I went on.

"Oh!" Susie shrieked, scrunching her nose, as though smelling rotting cheese.

"The thing is, I'm the one who gets in trouble," I said. "Like, there was this one little girl. I caught her listening to 50 Cent -- you know, the rapper -- and I started telling her about the torments of hell, and how she'd pay in eternity and all of that. And the principal comes up to me, and he's like, 'Stop, you're scaring the children!' "

"Oh, yeah," Susie snorted.

"And I'm like, 'I'm scaring her? Are you crazy? This girl is seven years old. She needs to know about these things!'

"We have kids now, because they know you're a Christian, they go out of their way to make your life miserable," I said. "I know this one guy. They'll take his Bible from his classroom and snort cocaine off it, right in front of him!"

Susie put her hands over her heart.

"They'll get suspended for a week," I said. "But then they're right back in there."

The table fell silent. The kids slowly started to slip away. Soon the only ones left were me, Mom and Dad, and a nearly empty bowl of fettuccine. Forty minutes in, my fork was still scraping the plate.

"Now this is good fettuccine," I said.


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Taibbi: Button man

The cover of this issue of Rolling Stone also make a comment along the lines of being "In the Enemy's camp".

We face GENUINE ENEMIES in this world. When Americans see fellow Americans as ENEMIES, we are in the midst of a new civil war. Will the leftists start shooting if they again lose the presidential election?

Maybe ananchist boy should go undercover 10 weeks with the Palestinians or Iraqi resistance. He'd learn about "enemies" real quick (possibly at the end of a knife). Heck, he could seek out a jihadist cell in Iraq and learn firsthand about the bloodshed they are quite openly discussing.

1 posted on 10/13/2004 11:34:11 AM PDT by weegee
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To: weegee

My comment should have read "seek out a jihandist cell in ENGLAND". They openly recruit at some mosques and have held victory celebrations on the anniversaries of the 9-11 attacks.


2 posted on 10/13/2004 11:36:02 AM PDT by weegee (John Kerry: "I'm Oprah! EVERYONE gets a tax hike!")
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To: weegee

The Bush/Cheney campaign shop sells football jerseys. I don't suppose we could get the Spalding Group to start selling them with "BUSH LIKE ME" across the shoulders instead of just "BUSH"?


3 posted on 10/13/2004 11:40:11 AM PDT by RichInOC (JOHN HATE ME.)
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To: weegee

I've seen Democrats are evil and the enemy for some time now.

Guilty as charged.


4 posted on 10/13/2004 11:40:36 AM PDT by Seeking the truth ( www.0cents.com - See Vietcong Vets for Kerry stuff here!)
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To: weegee
All that condescension in one, tiny little man.

Truly amazing.

5 posted on 10/13/2004 11:41:04 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: weegee
I've read Mr. Taibbi's columns in the NY Press for some time now.

I've formed the ditinct impression over that time that he doesn't really care much about the truth.

One can assume that approximately 90% of this article is made up out of whole cloth and 100% of it is embellished.

6 posted on 10/13/2004 11:46:14 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: weegee

Nice fiction piece...


7 posted on 10/13/2004 11:46:41 AM PDT by aberaussie
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To: weegee

Perhaps instead we should call the Orlando office and see if this man (picture included) ever actually worked there.


8 posted on 10/13/2004 11:47:33 AM PDT by dandelion (http://johnkerryquestionfairy.blogspot.com/)
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To: weegee

I've googled it - it appears there is no "Federation of Black Republicans for the Republican Party of the State of Florida"...


9 posted on 10/13/2004 11:51:01 AM PDT by dandelion (http://johnkerryquestionfairy.blogspot.com/)
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To: weegee

Jayson Blair, is that you?


10 posted on 10/13/2004 11:51:15 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: dandelion

what a hateful liar.


11 posted on 10/13/2004 11:52:19 AM PDT by applpie
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To: weegee
"When Americans see fellow Americans as ENEMIES, we are in the midst of a new civil war."

Glad you noticed. So are you prepared?




12 posted on 10/13/2004 11:53:13 AM PDT by sinclair (If you don't stop and think, then it doesn't matter whether you are a genius or a moron.)
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To: wideawake
"One can assume that approximately 90% of this article is made up out of whole cloth and 100% of it is embellished."

That was my impression. There's not a bit of truth in this article.

13 posted on 10/13/2004 11:53:47 AM PDT by DestroytheDemocrats
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To: weegee
Will the leftists start shooting if they again lose the presidential election?

Are you kidding? Where have you been. They are already shooting.

Just search FR for articles about shootings at BC04 offices.

14 posted on 10/13/2004 11:54:42 AM PDT by newberger (The amazing thing about communication is that it ever occurs at all!)
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To: weegee

This is your brain on drugs.


15 posted on 10/13/2004 11:54:55 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Proud to be a Reagan Alumna!)
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To: weegee
Will the leftists start shooting if they again lose the presidential election?

Are you kidding? Where have you been. They are already shooting.

Just search FR for articles about shootings at BC04 offices.

16 posted on 10/13/2004 11:55:35 AM PDT by newberger (The amazing thing about communication is that it ever occurs at all!)
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To: weegee
Gosh...he almost made a human connection.
But then switched back to his own particular brand of human frailty.

The thing is...he was an imposter, the people he was with were not.
He pretended, they were candid...Who is the 'less human' for it?
Its all too easy to hear the 'confessions' of a person while acting under a pretense of friendship.
Then to turn around and print them up...
You have to wonder if this persons 'real friends' will now wonder how sincere, genuine, hell, even human he is.
17 posted on 10/13/2004 11:56:59 AM PDT by 45semi (Man has only those rights he can defend...)
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To: weegee
Will the leftists start shooting if they again lose the presidential election?

Will they? You haven't been paying attention to the bullet holes found in windows, to gangs of union thugs invading and break-ins all at Republican offices.

18 posted on 10/13/2004 11:57:55 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (If they couldn't stand up to ...Howard Dean..., how can we expect them to stand up to Al Queda?)
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To: dandelion

Found a reference to it.

Check out the third paragraph in this press release:

http://www.rpof.org/press/2004020301.php


19 posted on 10/13/2004 12:01:59 PM PDT by dayton law dude
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To: weegee

I stopped reading at "society guarded by a clone army." It became painfully clear where this article was going.


20 posted on 10/13/2004 12:02:38 PM PDT by highlandbreeze
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To: weegee

Bump for later reading...I don't know why.


21 posted on 10/13/2004 12:03:26 PM PDT by AngryJawa (Happiness Is A Silent Blissninny)
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To: weegee

You sure it wasn't written by Jason Blair?


22 posted on 10/13/2004 12:03:41 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: weegee

He has to be GAY.


23 posted on 10/13/2004 12:04:54 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: weegee

Looks to me like the author revealed more about himself, his own prejudices, and the typical Dem-Lib mindset than he was able to reveal about Republicans.

" the operative vibe of the Democratic insider is wisecracking cool"

How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, Nor stand in the path of sinners, Nor sit in the seat of scoffers. Psalm 1:1


24 posted on 10/13/2004 12:05:35 PM PDT by newheart (The Truth? You can't handle the Truth. But He can handle you.)
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To: sarasota

I hope all liberals, and nobody else, believes that this is what the grassroots of the GOP looks like.


25 posted on 10/13/2004 12:06:54 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Defeatists Suck)
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To: weegee
I am, in short, the most offensive individual who could conceivably be planted in the campaign of George W. Bush...

pretty good article until the end when he is invited over for dinner..... The writer must have been pushed to get the story done. The whole feel of the article changes at the end.

26 posted on 10/13/2004 12:07:45 PM PDT by rface (Ashland, Missouri - monthly donor /bad speller)
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To: wideawake

Didn't a writer for the NY Times also make up fraudulent stories about a young Republicans' party at the 2000 convention?


27 posted on 10/13/2004 12:07:51 PM PDT by weegee (John Kerry: "I'm Oprah! EVERYONE gets a tax hike!")
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To: applpie
He had the keys to the office. I wonder what sort of information he may have stolen for his pals in the DNC.

He perpetrated fraud by giving a phony name and history. I wonder if any of it is a prosecutable offense.

28 posted on 10/13/2004 12:09:46 PM PDT by weegee (John Kerry: "I'm Oprah! EVERYONE gets a tax hike!")
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To: weegee
Their faith both in God and in their political convictions is too weak to survive without an unceasing string of real and imaginary confrontations with those people -- and for those confrontations, they are constantly assembling evidence and facts to make their case.

This is the most illogical and stupid sentence I have read in years.
29 posted on 10/13/2004 12:10:03 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: weegee

You mean to tell me that Republicans like fettucine?


30 posted on 10/13/2004 12:10:27 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: dayton law dude

Nice find - thank you.


31 posted on 10/13/2004 12:12:08 PM PDT by dandelion (http://johnkerryquestionfairy.blogspot.com/)
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To: BushisTheMan

That is part of the interviewing process at RS.


32 posted on 10/13/2004 12:13:01 PM PDT by mabelkitty (W is the Peoples' President ; Kerry is the Elite Establishment's President)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; mhking

He invited a black man down to the office under the phony pretense of a magazine interview purely for the purpose of humilating him and the other Republicans.


33 posted on 10/13/2004 12:13:53 PM PDT by weegee (John Kerry: "I'm Oprah! EVERYONE gets a tax hike!")
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To: weegee

Boy, he sure ran the gamut of republican stereotypes in his piece.


34 posted on 10/13/2004 12:14:51 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Have a burger and a beer and enjoy your liquid vegetables.)
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To: Timesink; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; GOPJ; ...
Media Schadenfreude and Media Shenanigans PING
35 posted on 10/13/2004 12:15:14 PM PDT by weegee (John Kerry: "I'm Oprah! EVERYONE gets a tax hike!")
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To: weegee

I thought it was a decent article until I got to the race baiting section. Pure fiction from that point on.


36 posted on 10/13/2004 12:17:11 PM PDT by Rebelbase ("We will crush Al Qaeda"....Silky Pony)
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To: dandelion

oh you are very clever, yeah, someone should check out this guy's story, it could be "Blair"ified fare......

I'd have been more impressed if Rolling Stone had done a concurrent thing with a conservative writer working for the DNC campaign, oh like in Berkeley California, or maybe one of the tony neighbourhoods where the Heinz-Kerrys have a house (bet you got a lot of black volunteers there huh?) and published both articles......

I do find it highly amusing that he is calling the Repubs racist when Kerry was called out for having a very white looking campaign staff and frankly with all the additions of the Clinton thugs, it's still looking pretty whitebread. Lest we forget Reverend Jesse has only recent almost grudgingly come around to support Kerry because Jesse was one of the people dissing Kerry for neglecting his base.

on the other hand, if the story is true about this black supporter that is unfortunate because actually he has an excellent suggestion regarding the black churches......

but it is Rolling Stone, not like a lot of swing voters reading that one, I haven't touched a Rolling Stone since oh I reached the age of majority......and new voters trend more liberal, hell even I was more liberal at that age, life experience changes one's naive world view.......


37 posted on 10/13/2004 12:18:54 PM PDT by littlelilac
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To: KellyAdmirer
You mean to tell me that Republicans like fettucine?

That's how we know this whole story is fiction. Everyone knows Republicans are all filthy rich and eat nothing but filet mignon and truffles.

38 posted on 10/13/2004 12:20:49 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: weegee
We face GENUINE ENEMIES in this world. When Americans see fellow Americans as ENEMIES, we are in the midst of a new civil war. Will the leftists start shooting if they again lose the presidential election?

Maybe ananchist boy should go undercover 10 weeks with the Palestinians or Iraqi resistance. He'd learn about "enemies" real quick (possibly at the end of a knife). Heck, he could seek out a jihadist cell in Iraq and learn firsthand about the bloodshed they are quite openly discussing.

Well said.
(Good to see you again, weegee!)

39 posted on 10/13/2004 12:23:34 PM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: weegee
all three of us were quietly freaking out at the sight of all these fat weirdos from the sticks buying huge assault rifles and Confederate bumper stickers with messages such as IF I'D KNOWN THIS WOULD HAPPEN, I'D HAVE PICKED MY OWN COTTON.

Well this certainly sounds believable. Thank goodness he didn't have to stoop to Southern stereotypes!

40 posted on 10/13/2004 12:23:43 PM PDT by mountaineer
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...

Just damn.

If you want on the list, FReepmail me. This IS a high-volume PING list...

41 posted on 10/13/2004 12:24:44 PM PDT by mhking ("The UN was supposed to be our last, best hope for peace. It failed.")
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To: weegee

He wrote what the readers wanted to read. Predictable.

He would have been lynched in his office if he came back with "hey, those Republicans are pretty smart, sophisticated and kind people!"


42 posted on 10/13/2004 12:28:02 PM PDT by najida (There is nothing friendlier than a wet dog, except for maybe a 100 pound wet dog.)
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To: mountaineer
That's how we know this whole story is fiction. Everyone knows Republicans are all filthy rich and eat nothing but filet mignon and truffles.

In Texas, we eat those steaks Chicken Fried...

That's a joke, Ed Hendee owns the Taste Of Texas steakhouse (mighty fine steaks in Houston). He used to fill in as host on conservative talk radio and now he is a permanent host. One of the other hosts used to hound him that he wanted to get a chicken fried steak there and it wasn't available.

43 posted on 10/13/2004 12:30:34 PM PDT by weegee (John Kerry: "I'm Oprah! EVERYONE gets a tax hike!")
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To: weegee
Names come to mind...

Stephen Glass

Jayson Blair

Dan Rather

44 posted on 10/13/2004 12:31:15 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (John Kerry will make Triumph the Insult Comic Dog his Secretary of State)
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To: mountaineer; All

I actually find the bumper sticker quite humorous! I wonder if I'll feel that way when the NAACP and the ACLU fight to outlaw whistlin' "Dixie"?


45 posted on 10/13/2004 12:32:15 PM PDT by olde north church (I would have supported Henry Waxman's mother's right to an abortion.)
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To: weegee
I gotta say . . . this was a fantastic piece. This person had his perceptions of his political opponents tempered by gulp spending time with them and actually listening to them. And though he obviously baited them at times, I can't help but feel like he came away with a different impression of his "enemies." I thought his thoughts on the Dems "hijacking" cool and claiming it as theirs were balls-on accurate. There, he skewered those pretenders as bad as he skewered us in other places.
46 posted on 10/13/2004 12:33:28 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: weegee

Nice work of fiction.


47 posted on 10/13/2004 12:34:46 PM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: TalonDJ
Their faith both in God and in their political convictions is too weak to survive without an unceasing string of real and imaginary confrontations with those people -- and for those confrontations, they are constantly assembling evidence and facts to make their case.

Oh, I don't know. Ever participated in a Drug War thread?

48 posted on 10/13/2004 12:35:04 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: littlelilac

One look at the current text on the "Politics" page of the Rolling Stone website reveals THAT would never happen. Also, wasn't Jann Wener one of those who helped bail out Salon in early 2004?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics?pageid=rs.PoliticsStory&pageregion=nav

BTW, Rolling Stone has as much to do with music as Maxim or MTV do these days. And they certainly don't have any respect for GOOD music. The British magazine Mojo is far better (and has some really good free CDs attached to the cover):

http://www.mojo4music.com/


49 posted on 10/13/2004 12:35:39 PM PDT by weegee (John Kerry: "I'm Oprah! EVERYONE gets a tax hike!")
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To: weegee
I once had a conversation with a reporter who was covering both the Texas state Republican and democratic conventions. I asked him what the difference was with both of them. He looked at me then looked at the people walking around (we were standing around a booth in a large room at the Republican convention) and he said, "Well, you see all these people here? They all look like your regular go to church on Sunday, go to the bank on Saturday types." I said yeah. He continued, "The people who showed up at the other convention looked really different." How was that? I asked. "Well, first off the whole parking lot was filled with motorcycles and everybody in here seemed to be wearing leather and sporting tattoos." Oh, not you're regular go to church on Sunday types? "Nope. And the hair and things that were pierced. I feel much more comfortable here because these people look normal, like I'm at a neighborhood picnic on the 4th of July."
50 posted on 10/13/2004 12:35:54 PM PDT by Slyfox
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