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RS: Bush Like Me - Ten weeks undercover in the grass roots of the Republican Party
Rolling Stone ^ | (Posted Oct 06, 2004) | By MATT TAIBBI

Posted on 10/13/2004 11:34:04 AM PDT by weegee

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To: newheart
I dont know why, but this POS story makes me disgusted in a way nothing else this election cycle has.
Even if he made the whole thing up out of thin air, he decided to 'go after' people whose only 'crime' in his eyes was voting for, and working for the election of a politician.
Guess with all the voter fraud, campaign HQ attacks, sign destruction, debates, etc...
he could not find something better or less personal to specific individuals,
individuals who were not seeking anything for themselves, to 'write' about.
I rarely write to express an opinion against political abuse. But in this case, I did write to the RS 'rag' and told them basically what I've written here.
Not that they care about any opinions but those that reflect their own...And not that I was a subscriber that threatened to cancel
(never in 1K years would I pay for that bird cage liner)
but just that with everything going on, this 'journalist' cannot find a better target for his poison pen.
51 posted on 10/13/2004 12:40:30 PM PDT by 45semi (Man has only those rights he can defend...)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

I remain a fly on the wall among my liberal friends. I never once chime in support or opposition to their bullsh!t. I will change the subject or walk away from the discussion at times.

I have heard incredibly ugly and violent things from their mouths and have never offered the slightest encouragement for them to continue along those lines. They are loudmouths and they know it.

This writer provoked situations and tried to create controversy. He is engaging in yellow journalism. "You provide the pictures, I'll provide the war".


52 posted on 10/13/2004 12:41:27 PM PDT by weegee (John Kerry: "I'm Oprah! EVERYONE gets a tax hike!")
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To: Slyfox

Someone should have told that reporter that Rolling Thunder endorsed President Bush at the White House on Memorial Day.

Then again, I don't know that they are the type of bikers who go for face piercings.


53 posted on 10/13/2004 12:43:38 PM PDT by weegee (John Kerry: "I'm Oprah! EVERYONE gets a tax hike!")
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To: weegee
Rolling Stone
Just another 'so called news publication' fit for the garbage can
Click the Pic

54 posted on 10/13/2004 12:48:17 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: wideawake

"....One can assume that approximately 90% of this article is made up out of whole cloth and 100% of it is embellished."

Way too many cliche. Fat ignorant white trash cop wants disposible clone army. No black folks, in fact no real folks..ect.


55 posted on 10/13/2004 12:48:27 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: All

Anyone here work at the Orlando office? This guy could easily be exposed for a fraud.


56 posted on 10/13/2004 12:49:26 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: weegee

This scoundrel still could not overcome his biases enough to see the forest for the trees. He has this stereotype of the US Right as some latter day, bourgeois, steel and glass, suburban monstrosity. Yes, modernity is part of what makes up plain old Flyover America; and that modernity serves as a wonderful indicator of all the economic growth in the Red Counties which attracts growing families and hard working people some of whom are PhDs and others who simply were street smart and wanted to generate wealth. The Right, however, has its origins in the old .... in the very old. We are the Cathedrals of Europe, we are the ancient knightly orders, we are the core values of Western Civilization. Without us, there would have been no Rousseau, no Goethe, no Nietzche, and even, no Chomsky. The wonders of art, literature, music and great cities, were all made possible by the works and the resolve of the Right. This clown knows nothing about the Right. If only he would open the door to true knowledge.....


57 posted on 10/13/2004 12:52:37 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Right makes right!)
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To: weegee
Mr. Taibbi isn't as smart as he'd like you to believe. Had he done the minimum of investigating he would have known that Orlando is a Democrat town. Orlando is in Orange County where algore won in 2000.

And one can find stupid people everywhere, why I ran across one in Lakeland just after the 2000 election. While visiting my mother-in-law at the hospital I was checking in to stay overnight with her. The bloated woman guard just about frisked me and called upstairs to the nurse's desk to check me out. When I expressed that this was the first time anyone had so thoroughly screened me (I had stayed overnight at least 4 times before) she wanted to know who had only taken my name and given me a pass to get in and out. She was really angry that I hadn't been properly screened previously.

Well, I didn't take the guy's name down, I started and before I could get out that there had been 2 or 3 different guards she whispered, "bet he was the dark one, right?"

It took a second before her words finally sunk in. I was livid.

Where a smile had been on my face, now a look of disgust was present. No, he wasn't (although one of them had been a black man), he was white, big fat and ugly (I almost said, like you but I wanted to see my MIL). Does that help I asked sweetly.

That Gore/Lieberman button on her purse didn't surprize me in the least.

58 posted on 10/13/2004 12:56:54 PM PDT by BigWaveBetty (KEdwards vowed to hunt down al Qaeda wherever it is, unless wherever's in Iraq.)
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To: weegee
I have heard incredibly ugly and violent things from their mouths and have never offered the slightest encouragement for them to continue along those lines. They are loudmouths and they know it.

I do the same. And what's worse: because of where I live, people naturally assume you think the same way.

This writer provoked situations and tried to create controversy. He is engaging in yellow journalism. "You provide the pictures, I'll provide the war".

And he was largely uanble to create that controversy, despite his best "evil" intentions. That's what I took out of this piece, and it's truly a positive for what I'd say is our side.

59 posted on 10/13/2004 1:00:01 PM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: weegee
Sent the following email to Ms. Alvelares:

Dear Ms. Avelares,

I just read this story and there is so much liberal stereotyping of Republicans that I don't believe it's true.

Can you confirm any of this story? If this is a fictionalized account, Mr. Taibbi deserves to be exposed as a fraud.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/6539082?rnd=1097697278020&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.1040

Thank you for your time,

XXXX XXXXXXX

I'll post any response on the thread.

60 posted on 10/13/2004 1:05:25 PM PDT by jellybean (Pssst...John Kerry wears frilly, lace underwear. That's why he walks so stiffly...Pass it on!)
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To: weegee
BTW, Rolling Stone has as much to do with music as Maxim or MTV do these days. And they certainly don't have any respect for GOOD music.

Rolling Stone is a magazine for the members of the 35-to-54-year-old demographic that can't accept that they're living in the past. The world has left them behind, both musically and politically, but Rolling Stone allows them to pretend they're still 18 and hip.

Anyone that needs proof of this need only take a look at the classified ads in the back of the magazine sometime. If Rolling Stone is being heavily read by young, hip people, then why is it full of ads for Viagra knockoffs and hair replacement services?

61 posted on 10/13/2004 1:07:56 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War (How important a Senator can you be if Dick Cheney's never told you to "go [bleep] yourself"?)
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To: BushisTheMan
He has to be GAY.

Five words is all it took to prove the author to be dead on.  Way to go.
62 posted on 10/13/2004 1:12:48 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: weegee
I sometimes wish I were more eloquent. Something is profoundly disturbing about this article and its author, but I am not sure I can convey what it is. The self-righteous condescension, the air of superiority, like he is an exalted scientist observing lower-life forms with the goal of reinforcing only that he is observing lower life forms. This is the sense that I get from most people that consider themselves "progressive" -- they have already decided that anyone not like them is a sub-species, or stupid, or non-enlightened.

He manages to find every stereotype, every kooky reinforcer of his already decided opinions. And now he has delivered a story into the hive of people that already feel exactly like he does ... that the rest of us are beneath them, less educated, less intellectual than them, less aware than them, less worthy than they are to decide how to live, who to worship, what to think and do.

And what kind of person can spend weeks or months play acting in his stereotyped way just to attempt to ferret out a story that he could have easily written out of his own prejudice? Spending day-after-day with people that he judged inferior, pretending to be one of them, eating in their homes, meeting their kids, and all the while only spouting his own preconceived notions about what 'those people' were wanting to hear.

Some of the 9/11 terrorists lived here for years. They lived next door to us, they drove on our roads, shopped in our stores, saw us every day on the street. They experienced life here and the people here, and they still flew the planes into the buildings. So convinced were they of their superiority that nothing would change their minds.

Tiabbi is such a person. For all his capability at wordsmithing and propaganda creation he is nothing more than an ideologue driving the wedges between us, creating the conditions where their ultimate goals can be carried out and they will not have to feel bad about anything because they were, as always, right.
63 posted on 10/13/2004 1:20:27 PM PDT by spodefly (A torpid disinclination negates the inclusion of a tagline with this post.)
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To: weegee
The only point I agreed with was when he noted he loved fettuccine Alfredo....
mmmmm.... pasta......
64 posted on 10/13/2004 1:23:46 PM PDT by four more in O 4 (God Bless George Bush and God Bless YOU.)
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To: gcruse

No problem.

The article stereotyped Republicans so I returned the favor. However, based on the picture, I may be correct.


65 posted on 10/13/2004 1:28:28 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: spodefly
You might find this article intersting...Al Qaeda's Fantasy Ideology. Although it's mostly talking about terrorists, it also explains the liberal mindset. It's long, but worth reading.
66 posted on 10/13/2004 1:34:13 PM PDT by jellybean (Pssst...John Kerry wears frilly, lace underwear. That's why he walks so stiffly...Pass it on!)
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To: weegee

This guy is lying through his teeth. The conversations he relays are obviously fabricated. I'm a southern Republican living in a very conservative area, and in my entire life I've never run across Republicans such as the ones he describes in that badly written work of fiction.


67 posted on 10/13/2004 1:40:02 PM PDT by alnick (America: Land of the Free BECAUSE of the Brave.)
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To: weegee; All
Here is the response I received from Vienna:

From: Vienna Avelares
Date: 10/13/04 15:34:54
To: Anne
Subject: RE: RollingStone.com: Politics - Bush Like Me

Hi Anne:

I can not explained in words how devastating this has been not only to me as Field Director but to my family and to my volunteers and counter parts who are part of this campaign. We open our hearts and our houses an help this man. We believed that he was homeless and we went out of our way to help him not only offering monetary help but even fixing his car and giving him money for lunch.

This shows you how low the other side can get to make us look back. Please believe when I say that none of what you read is true.

I have being praying to the Lord to give me the strenght to accept this and to move on. Lets pray for our President, imagine if they are capable of doing this harm to us as field directors and volunteers, imagine what they are trying to do to our President.

Anne God Bless you and thank you for your support if you have any questions call me at (I've removed the phone # so some skank DUer doesn't harrass her).

Vienna

What a POS this Taibbi is!!

68 posted on 10/13/2004 1:44:25 PM PDT by jellybean (Pssst...John Kerry wears frilly, lace underwear. That's why he walks so stiffly...Pass it on!)
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To: jellybean

I still wonder what sort of crimes he may have committed in the area of fraud when he submitted false information about his identity.

Additionally, I wonder if he may have broken any federal election laws.

As I say, he had keys to the office. Watergate was a break in. No need to break in when you have a plant on the inside. Additionally he sought to salt the ground and make trouble for Republicans with some ugly statements he admits to making at public encounters with voters.


69 posted on 10/13/2004 1:53:07 PM PDT by weegee (John Kerry: "I'm Oprah! EVERYONE gets a tax hike!")
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To: weegee

He is just a punk.


70 posted on 10/13/2004 2:00:24 PM PDT by badpacifist
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To: sinclair

If there is a civil war all of those idiot liberals have given their guns away. Bring it on. Firearms and truth always win in the end.


71 posted on 10/13/2004 2:01:30 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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To: weegee

 


72 posted on 10/13/2004 2:07:45 PM PDT by Fintan (Oh...Am I supposed to read the article???)
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To: weegee
... but I was far worse than that -- a dissolute, drug-abusing anarchist who reads the battle diaries of Vietnamese generals on rainy days, roots for Russia at the Olympics and once published an article titled "God Can Suck My D**k."

Yawn.

If he wants to be a rebel, something truly out of the mainstream, he should go to a punk concert, which is to say an adolescent reactionary revival, and wear a T-shirt that says "I love Halliburton."

Now THAT'D take some real cajones and would be the mark of a true a rebel. This guy's attitude is yesterday's news.

73 posted on 10/13/2004 2:09:03 PM PDT by Catalonia
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To: jellybean

Thank you for that link: http://www.policyreview.org/AUG02/harris.html

Excellent article, very well written examination.


74 posted on 10/13/2004 2:09:41 PM PDT by spodefly (A torpid disinclination negates the inclusion of a tagline with this post.)
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To: weegee
... but I was far worse than that -- a dissolute, drug-abusing anarchist who reads the battle diaries of Vietnamese generals on rainy days, roots for Russia at the Olympics and once published an article titled "God Can Suck My D**k."

Yawn.

If he wants to be a rebel, something truly out of the mainstream, he should go to a punk concert, which is to say an adolescent reactionary revival, and wear a T-shirt that says "I love Halliburton."

Now THAT'D take some real cajones and would be the mark of a true a rebel. This guy's attitude is yesterday's news.

75 posted on 10/13/2004 2:12:19 PM PDT by Catalonia
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To: Catalonia

Actually, one of the older bands at the Warped Tour was The Vandals. They have been pretty open with their support for President Bush.

At one of the concerts, they reportedly said something from the stage like, "President Bush was one of the worst Presidents we ever had (dumb kids cheer on this attack), but his song is one of the BEST Presidents we've ever had (crowd realizes they've been duped)."

There were some concert fans who DID wear pro-Bush/Cheney shirts in that crowd (one had a shirt that said Bush is my President" and the band responded "He's my president too" at a meet and greet (such access is scheduled at the Warped Tour).

The majority of the Warped Tour was designed to be another "Rock against Bush" type event.

A true free spirit does not conform to the will of the masses to fit in. The left does not like the sheep to know this.


76 posted on 10/13/2004 2:19:51 PM PDT by weegee (John Kerry: "I'm Oprah! EVERYONE gets a tax hike!")
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To: Catalonia

If he really had want to take the same walk as the author of Black Like Me, he would have gone as a Republican into Berkley California. Stand with the Protest Warriors as they are outnumbered 100 to one. Spat upon and threatened with physical violence.

How much would he be willing to go along with the charade then? How much would he be willing to provoke a response from those around him?


77 posted on 10/13/2004 2:21:45 PM PDT by weegee (John Kerry: "I'm Oprah! EVERYONE gets a tax hike!")
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To: weegee

Bomb Rolling Stone (please)


79 posted on 10/13/2004 2:35:18 PM PDT by t_skoz
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To: weegee

This is a thoughtless article, totally lacking in insight. Not even very clever -- just a dumb anarchist dissing Republicans and Christians. The writer had his mind made up in so many ways; no attempt whatsoever was made to really get inside someone's mind about the issues.

If he were on a mission to find the truth, which he is obviously not, he simply could have been up front with people and sat down for many weeks discussing their views.

It is obvious this person doesn't have the ability to do this.


80 posted on 10/13/2004 2:45:17 PM PDT by paulklenk (Blue Fairy, please make Dan Rather a real boy!)
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To: weegee

F* Mike Taibbi and the horse he rode in on.


81 posted on 10/13/2004 3:33:53 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: weegee

Yep, that sounds just like me, a pro-life Christian-rght Republican who wants a Clone Army who can be killed with impunity!

You sure this isn't SATIRE?

Part of my job, I soon came to understand, was to be supportive when people like portly Tampa sheriff's deputy Ben Mills came in to share their very serious utopian ideas -- like the benefits of having a society guarded by a clone army. "We'd save a hell of a lot on benefits and medical expenses," he said. " 'Cause you know if they got wounded..."

"You could just shoot them," I said.

"Exactly -- pow! Just shoot 'em dead, right in the ground."


82 posted on 10/13/2004 4:50:23 PM PDT by GeorgiaYankee (We could make up the news on FR, but we'd RATHER not!)
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To: weegee
I talked to that reporter back in 1994. His opinion always stuck with me. The reason why the motorcycle gangs showed up was only for the helmut plank in the demo party platform.
83 posted on 10/13/2004 5:32:24 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: weegee

I'd say bomb Matt Taibbi's e-mail with some kind words about his adventures in Florida, but for all the publications he writes for, he doesn't have an e-mail address for any of 'em!

what a coward...


84 posted on 10/14/2004 2:56:59 AM PDT by t_skoz
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To: spodefly
Some of the 9/11 terrorists lived here for years. They lived next door to us, they drove on our roads, shopped in our stores, saw us every day on the street. They experienced life here and the people here, and they still flew the planes into the buildings. So convinced were they of their superiority that nothing would change their minds.

I dunno, spodefly - I thought the way that you linked the 9/11 terrorists and the Democrats was eloquent beyond words.

85 posted on 10/14/2004 6:24:13 AM PDT by an amused spectator (Memo Depot: where trusted news anchors shop)
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To: jellybean; gcruse
We believed that he was homeless and we went out of our way to help him not only offering monetary help but even fixing his car and giving him money for lunch.

Odd that little Matty didn't mention the cadging, ain't it?

When I saw this small info tidbit in Vienna's reply, I went back and waded through the whole thing to see if Matt allowed that he was basically grifting.

It was a gagger, but the last bit was definitely pure fiction.

86 posted on 10/14/2004 6:34:30 AM PDT by an amused spectator (Memo Depot: where trusted news anchors shop)
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To: weegee

I stopped reading after he mentioned the title of an article he wrote (in the 1st or 2nd paragraph). I just don't want to get my hands dirty anymore with 'RAT crap. Mostly, I try to think of these people as brainwashed, lost and deluded; but increasingly I'm thinking that they knowingly make themselves vessels for use by the evil one. Maybe they're so far gone that they just can't see it anymore, but....it's difficult to have sympathy for that!

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87 posted on 10/14/2004 6:47:34 AM PDT by viaveritasvita (If MSM can't or won't get out the real news, we'll have to get it out ourselves. ~ Chuck Colson)
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To: an amused spectator
It was a gagger, but the last bit was definitely pure fiction.

Fake, but accurate?
88 posted on 10/14/2004 9:02:56 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: an amused spectator
Odd that little Matty didn't mention the cadging, ain't it?

I think Matty is a typical democrat...he expects others to provide for his needs and wants. It's one of his basic human rights, so he has no obligation to show gratitude or even acknowledge others charity as an act of compassion. He's entitled to it. It brings to mind the old saying: "Bite the hand that feeds you."

Vienna is truly distressed by this article. She's a sweet lady and could really use some encouragement. Please send her a note of support.

89 posted on 10/14/2004 9:44:15 AM PDT by jellybean (Pssst...John Kerry wears frilly, lace underwear. That's why he walks so stiffly...Pass it on!)
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To: weegee

Wonder if this is the "genesis" of JFKerry and johnny edwards making Vice President Cheney's daughter topic A in two debates?????


90 posted on 10/14/2004 7:47:22 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: EternalVigilance
I hope all liberals, and nobody else, believes that this is what the grassroots of the GOP looks like.

I have yet to read a liberal writer's description of a "normal Republican voter" that bears any resemblance to anybody I know.

I can only conclude that they are a.) visiting a parallel universe, b.) too blind to see us as we are or c.) making it all up.

91 posted on 10/14/2004 8:18:27 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: ARROGANCE & IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: dandelion

Not sure of the exact name, but there are a couple "federated" Black Republican clubs in Florida, and I would assume, like most federated GOP clubs (e.g. the YRs), they have some sort of state organization.

Rhyan (yeah, with an "h") Metzler works at the Orlando HQ. I've had a few dealings with him over the years, and he certainly seems the type to call himself "socially liberal."

The Orange County YRs do a school item drive every year.

While I can't vouch for what was said over a private family dinner, most of the throw-away facts here ring true. Face it, the Orange County GOP got "punk'd." Sure this is a hit piece by a whiny northeast liberal (I know the type, I grew up in Connecticut before moving to Florida), but he does succeed in pointing out some of the party's faults. I'd rather see an intellignet discussion of the issues raised than knee-jerk claims that this is all false. What is this, DU?


92 posted on 10/14/2004 8:27:14 PM PDT by Schuck
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To: dandelion

That is a very good idea. We need to find Vienna.


93 posted on 10/14/2004 8:33:58 PM PDT by tiki (Win one against the Flipper)
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To: Schuck

As you can see, I'm not claiming it is all false. I'm claiming we should do a little fact checking and see if it is true. That in itself is intelligent, and if we find out it's true, we'll report it.

But seeing as how this guy has worked for the New York Times, and considering their culture of manufacturing stories, I'd have to say it's only intelligent to question this reporter's veracity...

Questions lead to answers.


94 posted on 10/14/2004 8:51:17 PM PDT by dandelion (http://johnkerryquestionfairy.blogspot.com/)
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To: dandelion

He started off pretty well, but then he fell more and more into the trap of liberal assumptions. My intuition smells fiction.


95 posted on 10/18/2004 1:36:58 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: weegee
My cover story was a travesty, an idiotic tissue of halfhearted lies.

A self-admitted liar. Then there's nothing to be gained by reading anything else he wrote.

96 posted on 10/18/2004 1:40:44 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: dayton law dude

letters@rollingstone.com


97 posted on 10/18/2004 1:43:30 PM PDT by paltz
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To: weegee

I'll bet the bastard licked all the doors knobs on his way out the door.


98 posted on 10/18/2004 1:50:35 PM PDT by hope (The democrats are hellbent on destroying the electoral process.)
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To: weegee
I have lived in several Florida counties; I have volunteered many times for the Republican Party.

This article is a made-up hallucination from a self-confessed America-hating drug addict.

Disgusting beyond disgusting.

I feel sorry for the Republican men and women misquoted and mischaracterized in this hit piece. If any those great people attacked in this article happen to read my post, all I can say is to remember Jesus' words:

11"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
St Matthew 5


99 posted on 10/18/2004 2:13:23 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: TalonDJ
Change God to Liberal and I see a classic case of projection. This article is mostly fantasy, including the part about having a girl friend.
100 posted on 10/18/2004 2:20:57 PM PDT by mountainfolk (God bless President George Bush)
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