Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Military Times Survey: A 55-Point Chasm in Military Support for Kerry & Bush
The Richmond [VA] Times-Dispatch ^ | October 14, 2004 | Ross Mackenzie

Posted on 10/13/2004 6:32:01 PM PDT by quidnunc

October 11 editions of Military Times publications (Navy Times, Army Times, Marine Corps Times, Air Force Times) carried an astounding story not likely to get much coverage in the establishment press.

Staff writer Gordon Trowbridge wrote as follows:

-snip-

Finally, the Military Times survey may be telling Kerry and the Democrats that a hefty military majority sees through the careful veneer of moderation to the deeply ingrained leftism that drives him.

Kerry has been hostile to the military probably since Yale — certainly so since he returned from Vietnam, led peacenik demonstrations, decried the American military as reeking with war criminals, and first ran for Congress. His 20-year Senate record — marking him as the Senate's most liberal member — is one of uninterrupted hostility to almost every military weapons system and almost every military enterprise proposed during that time. (A 1984 Kerry campaign memo has the candidate saying: "We are continuing a defense buildup that is consuming our resources with weapons systems that we don't need and can't use.")

Kerry voted in 1991 against the first Gulf War; he voted a year ago against $87 billion to continue funding — and backing troops in — the second one. Again and again he has voted to slash, by many billions, appropriations for an intelligence community he blames Bush for undermining. Repeatedly — perhaps most recently in the second debate — Kerry states that Bush fired the Army Chief of Staff, General Eric Shinseki, for saying the U.S. needed additional troops in Iraq, when Shinseki's retirement was announced 10 months before he called for more troops.

The left detests the military, and the military knows it — and reciprocates, as the Military Times survey overwhelmingly testifies.

-snip-

(Excerpt) Read more at timesdispatch.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gwb2004; kerry; mackenzie; militaryvote

1 posted on 10/13/2004 6:32:02 PM PDT by quidnunc
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: quidnunc

And I pray their votes won't be scuttled by the libs like last election.


2 posted on 10/13/2004 6:35:52 PM PDT by Uncle George
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: quidnunc
Bush leads Democratic Senator John Kerry 73 percent to 18 percent in the voluntary survey of 4,165 active-duty, National Guard, and reserve subscribers

Would somebody explain to me why this isn't the subject of a major ad campaign by the Bushies?

3 posted on 10/13/2004 6:36:11 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: quidnunc

There was a Kerry campaign spokesman on the NBC morning program that claimed that Kerry was polling at 40% of the military. There guys ae accustomed to the manipulated polls of the MSM.


4 posted on 10/13/2004 6:39:30 PM PDT by ArmedNReady (George Bush has wood for the Democrats)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ArmedNReady

But, but, but...what about Kerry's "Band of Brothers"?? < /sarcasm >


5 posted on 10/13/2004 6:43:34 PM PDT by TheBigB (OPEN YOUR EYES, Clark Kent! You belong with CHLOE!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: quidnunc

55% 'chasim' is great, but you sure have to wonder who would vote for a guy that sought to deny them body armour and enehanced armour for the humvees and other supplies in Iraq.


6 posted on 10/13/2004 6:45:03 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ArmedNReady

Think we'll see this in the MSM, not likely. I can just picture this in the headline of the New York Times (not!).
God Bless our veterans and current servicemen, they are the ones who have given us the freedom to do these posts; not the elected officials.


7 posted on 10/13/2004 6:45:46 PM PDT by ok42day (I can't believe Americans would vote for a traitor to be CIC!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: ArmedNReady

Do you think we'll see this in the MSM, not likely! God Bless our vets and current servicemen. They are the ones who have given us the freedom to be able to express ourselves here.


8 posted on 10/13/2004 6:48:54 PM PDT by ok42day (I can't believe Americans would vote for a traitor to be CIC!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: ArmedNReady

Sorry, posted twice! Must be getting trigger happy....


9 posted on 10/13/2004 6:50:41 PM PDT by ok42day (I can't believe Americans would vote for a traitor to be CIC!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: InterceptPoint

Would somebody explain to me why this isn't the subject of a major ad campaign by the Bushies?

The only reason I can think of is that it isn't considered a 'scientific' poll by the 'experts' who bless polls. It would be attacked that way and Kerry's people would produce another 'unscientific' poll showing the opposite.

10 posted on 10/13/2004 7:01:12 PM PDT by ml1954 (John 'Superman' Kerry..... A legend in his own mind.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: InterceptPoint
Would somebody explain to me why this isn't the subject of a major ad campaign by the Bushies?

Can't, it could be construed, by the DUmmies, as being ordered. It isn't of course, but you don't want to even have the suggestion of it.

The Military Men and Women will do what they can on their own and out of uniform.

11 posted on 10/13/2004 7:03:59 PM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: quidnunc

THAT is why the military overseas in many states will never be allowed to vote - Arkansas INCLUDED!


12 posted on 10/13/2004 7:09:20 PM PDT by steplock
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: steplock

I'm surprised that even 18% of the military is supporting slick Kerry and falling for his falsehoods.


13 posted on 10/13/2004 7:14:55 PM PDT by Ciexyz (At his first crisis, "President" Kerry will sail his Swiftboat to safety, then call Teddy.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: steplock

well, if military votes aren't counted - its our side's fault. we have had plenty of time to get this overseas military ballot system right, we knew from 2000 that the Dems would engage in any practice to disenfranchise their votes.


14 posted on 10/13/2004 7:16:32 PM PDT by oceanview
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: DoughtyOne
Table 3.3.  FY 1998 Race/Ethnicity of Active Component Enlisted Members,
by Service, and Civilian Labor Force 18–44 Years Old (Percent)

Race/
Ethnicity

Army

Navy

Marine Corps

Air Force

DoD

18- to 44-Year-Old Civilians

White

56.3

63.2

66.6

73.0

63.7

70.5

Black

29.5

19.9

16.6

17.8

22.2

12.3

Hispanic

7.6

9.0

12.3

5.1

8.0

12.5

Other

6.6

7.9

4.5

4.2

6.1

4.7

Total

100.0

100.0

100.0

100.0

100.0

100.0

Columns may not add to total due to rounding.
Also see Appendix Table
B-25 (Race/Ethnicity by Service and Gender).
Source:  Civilian data from Bureau of Labor Statistics Current Population Survey File, September 1998.

Does this chart give you an idea. It's not a racist statement to point out that 95% of blacks are a Democrat voting block.


15 posted on 10/13/2004 7:16:54 PM PDT by American_Centurion (I am the martyrs' bane.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: quidnunc

this is why, if Kerry should win, I hope alot of military people decide not to re-enlist. If Kerry wins, the american people (the majority of them, albeit a slim majority) will have shown themselves to not be worthy of these brave people fighting and dying for our nation.

Let Kerry institute a draft, or get some NYU students to enlist.


16 posted on 10/13/2004 7:18:43 PM PDT by oceanview
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: InterceptPoint
Would somebody explain to me why this isn't the subject of a major ad campaign by the Bushies?
President Bush is a class act and a true Commander in Chief. He will never use his troops as an election tool, regardless of how helpful it would be to his campaign. Kerry, on the other hand, is an opportunist who (in my opinion) would jump on this in a second if it favored him.

17 posted on 10/13/2004 8:11:07 PM PDT by bear11 (If Kerry wins, America loses)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: American_Centurion

Yes, I know. Even so, you have to wonder what would make a man vote for a person who would sell him out, and cause him to go into harms way without backup in the form of supplies and armour.

I realize how the ethnic votes break down. It still baffles me.


18 posted on 10/13/2004 8:42:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: DoughtyOne

In my experience they aren't even aware of what they are voting for aside from the D beside the name.

Jesse Jackson didn't tell them. Mfume didn't tell them. And Kerry sure as hell didn't tell them. They havn't listened to a single word Pres. Bush has said and they mostly swallow the tripe about "selected not elected".

Boiled down to the short answer, misinformed and apathetic (toward a different view/opinion) to boot.


19 posted on 10/13/2004 8:48:33 PM PDT by American_Centurion (I am the martyrs' bane.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: American_Centurion

It is truly sad what the democrat party has done to blacks and hispanics. Playing themselves off as leaders of the civil rights movement, they have enslaved these two segments of our society as surely as if they were the slavemasters of the 15th through 17th centuries. They extended to them a pittance instead of the birthright they deserved. The welfare nanny state has been a tragic misdirection, and the ultimate failure of failures.


20 posted on 10/13/2004 8:59:44 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservatives)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: quidnunc

A "chasm" only to a mediateer....


21 posted on 10/13/2004 9:07:46 PM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: quidnunc
Key to the article:

Bush leads Democratic Senator John Kerry 73 percent to 18 percent in the voluntary survey of 4,165 active-duty, National Guard, and reserve subscribers . . . .

22 posted on 10/13/2004 9:09:23 PM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: quidnunc

Ironic that the 'rats tried to scare people into voting for Kerry by floating the "Bush will institute draft" lie, when in fact if Kerry's elected we will probably have to have a draft to maintain our military strength, what with all the veterans who will leave the service and others who will not volunteer to avoid serving under such an untrustworthy and dishonorable CIC.........


23 posted on 10/13/2004 9:16:50 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: InterceptPoint

President Bush respects them to much to use them.


24 posted on 10/13/2004 9:18:03 PM PDT by texasflower (Liberty can change habits. ~ President George W. Bush 10/08/04)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: American_Centurion
Let's not get into pre-judging how anmyone would vote based on their skin pigmentation. If you have data - present it. Do not assume you know anything about these guys.

Of all of us they have the right to vote however they want. If they want to write in Clinton that would be OK with me.

It is my personal experience that our highly pigmented men and women of the military think very similar to myself, with similar values, only they are usually more polite than I am. I would expect that you are wrong in assuming they would follow an ethnic voting block.

The Rep/Dem Conservative vs Liberal battle we are seeing today is part of a culture war. Married white males break out 72% Bush 28% Kerry - similar at Bush/Gore 2000. Military almost identical. Tough to get over 75% of anything.

God Bless Our Troops - We Are So Proud Of Them

Diva's Husband

25 posted on 10/13/2004 9:23:17 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Diva Betsy Ross
If you have data - present it.

I did present the data, see my post #15. The fact that Black americans represented nearly 20% of the military and historically have voted 95% democrat, doing the math reveals exactly where the 18% for Kerry comes from.

It isn't a guess, nor is it anecdotal. It's fact.

26 posted on 10/14/2004 7:39:59 AM PDT by American_Centurion (I am the martyrs' bane.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: quidnunc
Been saving it to add to cheerful threads!
Its dated a few months back, but its still a current thread there>

27 posted on 10/14/2004 1:16:01 PM PDT by 45semi (Man has only those rights he can defend...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson