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Nader off ballot in Pennsylvania
Times Leader ^ | 10/14/2004

Posted on 10/14/2004 5:07:21 AM PDT by Born Conservative

HARRISBURG - A state court knocked Ralph Nader off Pennsylvania's presidential ballot on Wednesday, citing thousands of fraudulent signatures including "Mickey Mouse" and "Fred Flintstone."

Describing the petitions as "rife with forgeries," Commonwealth Court President Judge James Gardner Colins said that fewer than 19,000 of the more than 51,000 signatures that Nader's supporters submitted were valid. Nader needed at least 25,697 to be listed on the ballot as an independent candidate.

"I am compelled to emphasize that this signature-gathering process was the most deceitful and fraudulent exercise ever perpetrated upon this court," Colins said in a 15-page ruling that followed a two-week review in multiple courtrooms across the state.

"The conduct of the candidates, through their representatives (not their attorneys), shocks the conscience of the court," he said. "In reviewing signatures, it became apparent that, in addition to signing names such as 'Mickey Mouse,' 'Fred Flintstone,' 'John Kerry,' and the ubiquitous 'Ralph Nader,' there were thousands of names that were created at random and then randomly assigned either existent or nonexistent addresses by the circulators."

The signature review was prompted by a court challenge filed by a group of voters sympathetic to Democratic candidate Sen. John Kerry.

The ruling likely will have an impact in Luzerne County, where officials this week agreed to spend an extra $3,100 to print absentee ballots with and without Nader's name.

Bureau of Elections Director Leonard Piazza said the county will not change its plans until it is contacted from the Department of State, which he anticipates will be soon.

County officials had hoped to delay the printing of the ballots because they did not know when the court would make a decision on Nader's candidacy. But because the ballots must be sent out by Oct. 19, the county decided to print them before the decision.

Democrats have had mixed success in their effort to keep Nader off the ballot in battleground states where they fear he could siphon votes from John Kerry. Besides Pennsylvania, he failed to make the ballot in Ohio, Oregon and Missouri but has succeeded in winning a spot on ballots in Florida, Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin.

Overall, Nader will be on the ballot in 34 states and the District of Columbia.

Nader's unsettled status had caused headaches for elections officials in Pennsylvania's 67 counties as the court proceedings bumped up against the timetable for mailing out larger-than-usual batches of absentee ballots.

Some counties heeded the state's recommendation that they not send out civilian absentee ballots until after the court case was settled, but many counties decided to mail out ballots that included Nader so that voters have time to cast them by the Oct. 29 deadline. Absentee votes cast for Nader are likely to be thrown out, officials have said.

In 2000, Democrat Al Gore carried Pennsylvania, beating George W. Bush by fewer than 205,000 votes out of 4.9 million cast. Nader, the Green Party nominee that year, received 103,392 votes.


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: ballotaccess; battleground; nader; votefraud
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1 posted on 10/14/2004 5:07:21 AM PDT by Born Conservative
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To: Born Conservative

Ae c'mon. Let the lil' feller play.


2 posted on 10/14/2004 5:08:39 AM PDT by Enterprise (The left hates the Constitution. Islamic Fascism hates America. Natural allies.)
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To: Enterprise
Nader has to be dizzy from jumping on and off ballots. He must be ready to ralph.
(sorry...couldn't resist)
3 posted on 10/14/2004 5:10:01 AM PDT by Sociopathocracy
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To: Born Conservative

Too bad because the Nader voters will now vote for Old Mr. Botox.


4 posted on 10/14/2004 5:10:19 AM PDT by Old Lady
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To: Sociopathocracy

LOL! Pun excused, and laughed at.


6 posted on 10/14/2004 5:14:50 AM PDT by Enterprise (The left hates the Constitution. Islamic Fascism hates America. Natural allies.)
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To: Marcel de Vries

I agree. Putting names on registration forms like "Mickey Mouse" and "Fred Flintstone" is unacceptable. They need to do what the Democrats do and recruit from the dead, illegal aliens, and felons.


7 posted on 10/14/2004 5:16:28 AM PDT by Enterprise (The left hates the Constitution. Islamic Fascism hates America. Natural allies.)
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To: Sociopathocracy
Well - when you have stupid leftist supporters who will accept signatures from cartoon characters, then what do you expect. But I would prefer Nader be ON the ballot - it helps OUR cause.
8 posted on 10/14/2004 5:18:23 AM PDT by TheBattman (Islam - the cult of Satan - The DemocRAT Party= Acolytes of SATAN)
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To: Born Conservative

You know, it's really irritating that the lefties are so prevalent in my state. I’ve decided that I’m going to write Nader in on my ballot, just to lend a hand to the underdog. I would normally vote Republican, but I would love to send a message to the powers that be that the final decision about who should be on the ballot rests with the people. We all know my home state PA is going to go to Kerry, and since a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush… What the heck… If enough people do it, it’ll send a message.


10 posted on 10/14/2004 6:01:51 AM PDT by C0y0Te
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To: Enterprise

Tinfoil time... could deep-cover Dem operatives have been involved with the Nader petition effort, intentionally stuffing in spam names to get the effort tossed out?


11 posted on 10/14/2004 6:05:23 AM PDT by Kerfuffle
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To: Born Conservative

I smell a Dem dirty trick here.


12 posted on 10/14/2004 7:33:42 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: C0y0Te
Don't do it! Don't give up the fight. Keep talking, volunteer for the campaign, support your president. We can still win here.
13 posted on 10/14/2004 7:35:01 AM PDT by bt-99
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To: Born Conservative

Write in campaign.


14 posted on 10/14/2004 7:36:56 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: mvpel

So do I. When Michael Moore vented his disgusting fumes - I mean, gave a talk - here in Gainesville, there were several GOP demonstrators in the auditorium. There was also a small group of Nader supporters with a banner. Michael Moore screamed at the Nader supporters and told them to "get the f@#$ out" of the hall. (They left.)

I think the Dems probably did everything possible to keep Nader off the ballot anywhere they could.


15 posted on 10/14/2004 7:38:42 AM PDT by livius
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To: C0y0Te

Voting for Bush is also a vote for Bush. I think every vote is going to be important, and I don't think you should throw yours away to "make a statement" (that nobody is going to notice or care about anyway).


16 posted on 10/14/2004 7:40:07 AM PDT by livius
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To: C0y0Te

Won't you feel silly if Kerry wins PA by one vote because the Dems underestimated the level of fraud necessary?


17 posted on 10/14/2004 7:45:10 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: livius
I think the Dems probably did everything possible to keep Nader off the ballot anywhere they could.

What happened to the dims mantra in Fla. during the 2000 election fiasco? Whoops sorry, I forgot these Nader votes will go against them.

18 posted on 10/14/2004 7:45:31 AM PDT by woodyinscc
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To: Born Conservative
"The conduct of the candidates, through their representatives (not their attorneys), shocks the conscience of the court," he said. "In reviewing signatures, it became apparent that, in addition to signing names such as 'Mickey Mouse,' 'Fred Flintstone,' 'John Kerry,' and the ubiquitous 'Ralph Nader,' there were thousands of names that were created at random and then randomly assigned either existent or nonexistent addresses by the circulators."

I wonder if there could be a bigger story behind all this. I wonder if some of the signature gathering could have been performed by folks working for other campaigns. Maybe some GOP operatives were trying to help get Nader qualified with bogus names/addresses and signatures. Or, maybe it was Kerry operatives who were collecting the Mickey Mouse type signatures knowing that they would be noticed and would thus sabotage Nader's effort to get on the ballot. Maybe both - it's a crazy year.

19 posted on 10/14/2004 7:54:40 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
This is absolutely intentional fraud. It is hard work to fill a petition with real signatures. You have to actually convince real, registered voters to sign.

Nobody who had gone to the trouble of getting real signatures would allow some jerk to sign his name as "Mickey Mouse".

Therefore the person(s) circulating the petitions with the fake names, clearly, wanted those fake names on the petitions.

This was done by democrats.

Why would any Republican not want Nader on the ballot in an important swing state?

20 posted on 10/14/2004 8:13:49 AM PDT by j. earl carter (Nader got kicked off in Ohio, I have been disenfranchised by evil democrats.)
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