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Mark Steyn: The man in the muddle
The Spectator (U.K.) | 10/16/04 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 10/14/2004 6:15:42 AM PDT by Pokey78

Mark Steyn says that the nuanced John Kerry is a threat to peace. So it’s a good thing he’s going to lose the election

New Hampshire

These days the most devastating profiles of John Kerry are the puff pieces. Take, for example, last weekend’s New York Times magazine, in which Matt Bai attempted to argue that the Nuancy Boy is a kind of strategic genius who was on to this whole terror thing a decade before anybody else. That line of argument gets a little tiring, so midway through Mr Bai included this relaxing interlude:


A row of Evian water bottles had been thoughtfully placed on a nearby table. Kerry frowned.

‘Can we get any of my water?’ he asked Stephanie Cutter, his communications director, who dutifully scurried from the room. I asked Kerry, out of sheer curiosity, what he didn’t like about Evian.

‘I hate that stuff,’ Kerry explained to me. ‘They pack it full of minerals.’

‘What kind of water do you drink?’ I asked, trying to make conversation.

‘Plain old American water,’ he said.

‘You mean tap water?’

‘No,’ Kerry replied deliberately. He seemed now to sense some kind of trap. I was left to imagine what was going through his head. If I admit that I drink bottled water, then he might say I’m out of touch with ordinary voters. But doesn’t demanding my own brand of water seem even more aristocratic? Then again, Evian is French — important to stay away from anything even remotely French.

‘There are all kinds of waters,’ he said finally. Pause. ‘Saratoga Spring.’ This seemed to have exhausted his list. ‘Sometimes I drink tap water,’ he added.


You can lead a horse-face to water, but you can’t make him drink. Not in this election. Imagine the strain of being unable to answer a simple question of beverage preference without flipping through the old mental Rolodex to calibrate the least politically damaging answer. Water, water everywhere, but gotta stop to think, to quote The Rime Of The Ancient Swift Boat Mariner. If George W. Bush happened to enjoy Evian, I don’t think he’d be averse to telling us. I certainly wouldn’t. I dislike France for geopolitical reasons, but I like the wine and the food. I like the women. I especially like the cute little girl bellhops in the Ruritanian uniforms at the Plaza Athenée. But John Kerry has invested so much in his imaginary friend in the Elysée Palace you can’t even ask him, ‘Hey, bud, what’ll you drink?’ without him wondering whether you’re impugning his patriotism. So ask a simple question and get a lot of, as it were, tap dancing.

In the debates, it’s easier. He and John Edwards know they have to sound tough, so their writers generally provide them with a line pledging to ‘hunt down and kill the terrorists’. But it’s exhausting having to remember when to spit out the tough talk and not to get caught in some fake-o water-gate controversy, and so your concentration wanders and you get relaxed and then you say things like this:

‘We have to get back to the place we were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they’re a nuisance. As a former law-enforcement person, I know we’re never going to end prostitution. We’re never going to end illegal gambling. But we’re going to reduce it, organised crime, to a level where it isn’t on the rise.’

So the Senator has now made what was hitherto just a cheap crack from his opponents into formal policy: the Democrats are the September 10 party.

The ‘I’ll hunt down and kill America’s enemies’ line was written for him and planted on his lips. The ‘It’s just a nuisance like prostitution’ line is his, and how he really thinks of the issue. What an odd analogy. Your average jihadist won’t take kindly to having his martyrdom operation compared with the decadent infidels’ sex industry, but the rest of us shouldn’t be that happy about it either. Kerry is correct in the sense that even if you dispatched every constable in the land to crack down on prostitution, there’d still be some pox-ridden whore somewhere giving someone a ride for ten bucks. But, on the other hand, applying the Kerry prostitute approach to terrorists would seem to leave rather a lot of them in place. In Boston, where he served as a ‘law-enforcement person’, the Yellow Pages are full of lavish display ads for ‘escort services’. The other day, the Boston Phoenix did a lame hit piece on me, in which, if you could stay awake through the wet cement of the guy’s prose, the main beef was that I was not a ‘respectable commentator’ like David Brooks of the New York Times. ‘Respectability’ seems a weird obsession for a fellow who writes for an ‘alternative’ newspaper funded by ads for transsexual hookers whose particular charms are spelled out at length, so to speak. In other words, while you can make an argument for a ‘managerial’ approach to terrorism, the analogy with prostitution sounds more like an undeclared surrender. This is aside from the basic defect of the argument: if some gal in your apartment building is working as a prostitute, that’s a nuisance — condoms in the elevator, dodgy johns in the lobby; if Islamists seize the schoolhouse and kill your kids, even if it only happens once every couple of years, ‘nuisance’ doesn’t quite cover it.

So the choice of analogy is revealing and, as Kerry says, we’ve been here before. Every so often, back in the Nineties, al-Qa’eda blew up some military housing, a ship, a couple of embassies, etc., and the Clinton team shrugged it off as a nuisance. No matter how flamboyantly Osama bin Laden sashayed down the sidewalk in his fishnets and miniskirt he couldn’t catch the Administration’s eye. In 2000, after 17 sailors were killed on the USS Cole, the defense secretary Bill Cohen said the attack ‘was not sufficiently provocative’ to warrant a response.

So Osama tried again, on September 11 2001. And this time, like the ads in the Boston Phoenix, he was very provocative. And that’s the point: even if you take the Kerry doctrine as seriously as the New York Times does, the nuance of nuisance depends largely on the terrorists. When all they could do was kill a few dozen here, a few hundred there, they were a ‘nuisance’ to Clinton, Cohen, Kerry and co; when they came up with a plan that killed thousands, they became something more than a nuisance. But that change in status was determined largely by them. They might go back to being a mere nuisance for 2005, just blowing up a US consulate hither and yon in places no one much cares about. But in 2006 they might loose a dirty bomb in Chicago and upgrade to über-nuisance again. The Kerry doctrine leaves it in their hands. And, in this kind of war, if you’re not on the offensive, you’re losing.

That’s what John Kerry means when he says ‘we have to get back to the place we were’ — back to the Nineties. Mem’ries light the corners of his mind, misty watercolour mem’ries of the way we were, but the reason they’re misty watercolours is that we didn’t see clearly what was going on. It wasn’t just the nuisance of the biennial embassy bombing, it was the terrorist annexation of flop states and the thousands upon thousands of young Muslim men graduating from al-Qa’eda’s training camps and then heading off wherever the jihad calls. The British Muslim discovered among the Beslan gang, for example: if you downgrade the war to a ‘nuisance’, is that the sort of cross-border trend you’re likely to spot?

‘It’s a different kind of war,’ says Kerry. ‘You have to understand it’s not the sands of Iwo Jima.’ That’s true. But Kerry’s mistake is in assuming that because it’s not Iwo Jima, it’s somehow less of a war. Until recently we thought of ‘asymmetrical warfare’ as something the natives did with machetes against the colonialist occupier. But in fact the roles have been reversed. These days, your average Western power — Germany, Canada, Belgium — is utterly incapable of projecting conventional military might to, say, Saudi Arabia or the Pakistani tribal lands. But a dozen young Saudi or Pakistani males with a little cash, some debit cards and the right phone numbers in their address books can project themselves to Frankfurt, Ottawa or Antwerp very easily and to devastating effect. That’s the lesson of 9/11.

So, for all that Bush is accused of being ‘stubborn’, it’s Kerry who refuses to change. He is, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer in their endorsement of the Senator this week, ‘alert to fresh global challenges, yet rooted in the approaches that made the 1990s so productive’. Well, they’re half right. He’s certainly rooted in the approaches of the Nineties, so rooted that he can’t pull himself up and move on, despite the fact that last week’s report of the Iraq Survey Group completely demolishes every prop of the Kerry world-view. When a man keeps telling you it doesn’t count unless the French and the UN are on board, he’s either a fool or a liar — because no serious person can spend 15 minutes on this issue without understanding that the French state at every level, and quasi-state pillars such as TotalFinaElf, were to all intents and purposes Saddam’s concubines, and that the UN Oil-for-Fraud programme had been transformed into the regime’s most reliable Weapon of Mass Destruction.

The attempt to talk the Senator up into a foreign-policy genius is sounding ever more loopy. ‘He was getting it,’ says Richard Clarke, the embittered Clinton-Bush terrorism ‘czar’ who now supports Kerry. ‘And the “it” here was that there was a new non-state-actor threat, and that non-state-actor threat was a blended threat that didn’t fit neatly into the box of organised criminal, or neatly into the box of terrorism.’

Yes, but what does that mean? Even if he does get the ‘it’ that nobody else is getting, what difference does it make if he doesn’t do anything about it? The ‘blended threat’ may not fit neatly into the box, but Kerry fits in there perfectly neatly — the box of complacent assumptions about the Security Council, the EU, the G8 — and he’s so snug he has no intention of climbing out.

It seems to me that John Edwards has the right idea. In the gym of Newton High School in Iowa this week, he skipped the dreary Kerry-as-foreign-policy-genius pitch and cut straight to the Second Coming. ‘We will stop juvenile diabetes, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s and other debilitating diseases,’ he assured the crowd and, warming to his theme, turned to the death last weekend of Christopher (Superman) Reeve. ‘When John Kerry is president, people like Chris Reeve are going to get up out of that wheelchair and walk again.’ Read his lips: No new crutches. Now that’s a campaign promise. President Kerry may be paralysed by nuance, but no one else will be. The healing balm of the Massachusetts Messiah will bring the crippled and stricken to their feet, which is more than Kerry’s speeches ever do. Just because he can’t choose his water doesn’t mean he can’t walk on it.

In its own way, this is easier to swallow than the Richard Clarke line. The notion that he can perform miracles on the wheelchair-bound requires no more of a suspension of disbelief than that he can turn back the clock to September 10.

This has been a very dispiriting election, mainly because one party simply refuses to make any intelligent contribution to the debate. John Howard’s splendid victory down under came about at least in part because of the laziness of the Left — Mark Latham’s Labor party offered a new face with not a single new idea. In the US, the Democrats have gone one further — peddling an old face with old ideas on the theory that Americans are worn out by the wild ride of the Bush years and really do long to ‘get back to where they were’, back to September 10, to the summer of shark attacks and missing Congressional interns. But all that going back to September 10 means is that you’ll have to learn the lessons of the morning after all over again: I do believe that if clueless, complacent Kerry won, more Americans — and Britons and Canadians and Australians and Europeans — will die in terrorist ‘nuisances’.

But he won’t win. Because enough Americans understand that going back to where we were means a return to polite fictions and dangerous illusions. You can’t put that world back together.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: casaloma; kerry; steyn
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1 posted on 10/14/2004 6:15:42 AM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...
And the Missing link: http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php?table=old&section=current&issue=2004-10-09&id=5114&searchText=
2 posted on 10/14/2004 6:17:44 AM PDT by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78

Thanks for posting the whole thing.
Dan


3 posted on 10/14/2004 6:21:31 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Pokey78

John Kerry won't win because of a major voting bloc that is being completely ignored by the media--THE MILITARY!

President Bush will be re-elected because his Troops support him. That's good enough for me.


4 posted on 10/14/2004 6:22:50 AM PDT by MoJo2001 (Pi R squared? Nooo! Pie R round, Cornbread R squared!)
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To: Pokey78
In my opinion all Republican adds should say only onething: The Terrorist and the American Communist Party have endorsed John Kerry. Does that make you feel safe?
5 posted on 10/14/2004 6:24:12 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Pokey78

Steyn bump.


6 posted on 10/14/2004 6:24:43 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: MoJo2001

We are a military family. For the first time all of our children have voted and voted for President Bush. The Military does not want a repeat of the Clinton years.


7 posted on 10/14/2004 6:27:35 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Pokey78

Incredible..........


8 posted on 10/14/2004 6:27:52 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (My 13 year old son is more manly than sissyboy edwards................)
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To: Pokey78
Mark Steyn on a roll: Read his lips: No new crutches. Now that’s a campaign promise. President Kerry may be paralysed by nuance, but no one else will be. The healing balm of the Massachusetts Messiah will bring the crippled and stricken to their feet, which is more than Kerry’s speeches ever do. Just because he can’t choose his water doesn’t mean he can’t walk on it.
9 posted on 10/14/2004 6:28:08 AM PDT by elli1
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To: MoJo2001
That is true if the Military votes get counted. If I recall correctly they weren't counted very well in 2000.
10 posted on 10/14/2004 6:28:43 AM PDT by redgolum (Molon labe)
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To: Pokey78

Why Steyn isn't on the GOP payroll and not one of President Bush's Debate coaches is a mortal sin....no disrespect to Catholics anywhere.


11 posted on 10/14/2004 6:30:35 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: redgolum

Each Navy (we're a Navy family) Command was told to begin work on this over a year ago. There has been a huge voter registration effort on behalf of our military to save the American people from John Kerry.

When President Bush is re-elected, he and the rest of us will have to thank the military from saving us from our fellow "brain dead" citizens.


12 posted on 10/14/2004 6:31:07 AM PDT by MoJo2001 (Pi R squared? Nooo! Pie R round, Cornbread R squared!)
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To: Pokey78

God I hope Steyn is correct, but the clueless seem so willfully clueless.


13 posted on 10/14/2004 6:31:21 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: mariabush

Neither does my family.

The military--all racial backgrounds--are very pro-Republican anyways. Our neighbor has registered up to 60 of his guys and gals to vote. They were all voting for President Bush. They sent their absentee ballots in about 4 weeks ago before they deploy sometime today.


14 posted on 10/14/2004 6:33:07 AM PDT by MoJo2001 (Pi R squared? Nooo! Pie R round, Cornbread R squared!)
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To: Pokey78

Another Steyn home run. The man has a more clear-eyed view of this contest than most Americans.

His prose is as brilliant, if not as biting, as Ann Coulters.


15 posted on 10/14/2004 6:38:06 AM PDT by DustyMoment (Repeal CFR NOW!!)
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To: DustyMoment
"His prose is as brilliant...."

Often when I read an article, I try to pick out something particularly good to highlight and share by repeating. With Steyn, I would have to copy the entire piece.

16 posted on 10/14/2004 6:40:26 AM PDT by Bahbah (Proud member of the pajamahadeen)
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To: MoJo2001

Man than is the most insightful analysis i have ever read. You are absolutely right! When GWB has 75% support from the military during wartime it says it all, everything else you hear is spin from the MSM. There is a disdain for all things military from the MSM and this statistic goes unreported for the simple reason that if Joe six pack figures that the military supports W and America is at war than he would support W as well, hell if those doing the fighting are going to support this man why shouldn't i???


17 posted on 10/14/2004 6:40:56 AM PDT by bubman
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To: Pokey78

And He is Canadian from Quebec (the most left-wing province in canada!!!)

There is hope for Kanuckistan yet!!


18 posted on 10/14/2004 6:42:19 AM PDT by bubman
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To: Pokey78

Magnificent Mark on the money again!


19 posted on 10/14/2004 6:44:06 AM PDT by Happygal (liberalism - a narrow tribal outlook largely founded on class prejudice)
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To: MoJo2001

We are Navy too. You are right the voting officers have been really going at it. How can you go out and put your life on the line every day for your country and then not take advantage of the freedoms that you have just fought for? Go Navy


20 posted on 10/14/2004 6:44:35 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: mariabush

Excellent! They obviously were Blessed with intelligent and insightful parents.


21 posted on 10/14/2004 6:44:53 AM PDT by MoJo2001 (Pi R squared? Nooo! Pie R round, Cornbread R squared!)
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Or a question about a wife...

Imagine the strain of being unable to answer a simple question of beverage preference without flipping through the old mental Rolodex to calibrate the least politically damaging answer.

22 posted on 10/14/2004 6:45:18 AM PDT by GOPJ (If 260 National Guard vets said Bush was an incompetent liar, the NYTimes would cover it.)
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To: bubman; mariabush

I'm not sure it's the most insightful, but I've been seeing these "MILITARY GET OUT THE VOTES" for almost a year now.

There are many Enlisted folks that haven't forgotten what the Democrats did to them in Florida.

PAYBACKS ARE A HILLARY!

John Kerry won't know what hit them on November 3rd. MoJo will be celebrating with her Sailor and friends on that fine morning.


23 posted on 10/14/2004 6:47:13 AM PDT by MoJo2001 (Pi R squared? Nooo! Pie R round, Cornbread R squared!)
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To: GOPJ

I loved that line too.......


24 posted on 10/14/2004 6:47:45 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (My 13 year old son is more manly than sissyboy edwards................)
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To: Pokey78

BMP


25 posted on 10/14/2004 6:53:19 AM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: Pokey78

This was one of his best columns of all time. The man is brilliant.


26 posted on 10/14/2004 6:55:09 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Pokey78

Mark made an interesting reference.
Al'Qaca hit us several times in the 90's and Clinton did nothing about it.
The premise of Mega-Fix, the DVD from Jack Cashill, is precisely that.
Clinton needed to get re-elected; any hint of a war on terrorism may lead to what Clinton referred to as a
"Greg Norman moment".
(Norman had the Master's in the bag, and choked on a putt.)
In other words, Clinton had reduced the terrorist attacks in this country and abroad, to the level of a nuisnace.
OKC was a nuisnace, we can blame it on the right-wing extremists who listen to Rush and the G-Man.
Khobar Towers was a nuisnace, send the FBI to Saudi Arabia and stonewall the investigation.
Olmpic Park was a nuisance, blame it on the security guard who found the backpack.
TWA 800 was a nuisnace, find a mechanical failure.
USS Cole was a nuisance, it didn't warrant a response.
Clinton's failure to respond to the obvious Islamofascist attacks on this country during his administration either enboldened Bin Laden, or pissed him off to the point of exasperation. If I had gone to that much trouble to blow up a building, and no one gave me credit for it, you can believe the next one I took down would be hard to blame on anyone else.
Kerry thinks he can negotiate and hold summit meetings and the terrorists will actually pay attention.


27 posted on 10/14/2004 6:58:13 AM PDT by concretebob (Partnership for an Idiot-Free America)
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To: Pokey78

Hey dude, RTR.


28 posted on 10/14/2004 7:04:49 AM PDT by madison46 (Give IRAN nuke fuel?? Your nutz)
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To: Pokey78

Thank you for the ping. Brilliant article.


29 posted on 10/14/2004 7:05:50 AM PDT by RightWingMama
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To: Pokey78
You can lead a horse-face to water, but you can’t make him drink.

LOL!

30 posted on 10/14/2004 7:10:26 AM PDT by livius
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To: Pokey78

bump for later non-cubicle-bound reading


31 posted on 10/14/2004 7:11:43 AM PDT by sanchmo
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To: Pokey78
Full article! bttt for later! :^D

32 posted on 10/14/2004 7:13:18 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Pokey78
Just because he can’t choose his water doesn’t mean he can’t walk on it.

Is Steyn simply great, or what!!??

33 posted on 10/14/2004 7:20:34 AM PDT by Gritty ("Going back 9/10 means you'll have to learn the lessons of the morning after all over again-Mk Steyn)
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To: Pokey78
Water, water everywhere, but gotta stop to think, to quote The Rime Of The Ancient Swift Boat Mariner.

Brilliant, and hysterical.

The insidious thing about the "nuisance" comment is that Kerry believes it, but it's too late. Worldwide terrorists will never go back to being a nuisance. They've already seen what happened on September 11th and what it cost us. The genie's out of the bottle.

34 posted on 10/14/2004 7:20:50 AM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Freepmail me if you'd like to read one of my Christian historical romance novels!)
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To: Pokey78

Marker Bumperooni

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


35 posted on 10/14/2004 7:21:34 AM PDT by alfa6 (HTML is fun,he he he ho ho ho)
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To: Pokey78

Bump for later


36 posted on 10/14/2004 7:26:08 AM PDT by VRWCer (Everything that is hidden will be found out, and every secret will be known. Luke 12:2)
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To: Gritty

Steyn is awesome. Some columnists write a column a week for a year, and come up with fewer interesting paragraphs than Steyn does in one article.


37 posted on 10/14/2004 7:30:40 AM PDT by July 4th (You need to click "Abstimmen")
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To: Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; devolve
The ‘I’ll hunt down and kill America’s enemies’ line was written for him and planted on his lips. The ‘It’s just a nuisance like prostitution’ line is his, and how he really thinks of the issue. What an odd analogy. Your average jihadist won’t take kindly to having his martyrdom operation compared with the decadent infidels’ sex industry, but the rest of us shouldn’t be that happy about it either. Kerry is correct in the sense that even if you dispatched every constable in the land to crack down on prostitution, there’d still be some pox-ridden whore somewhere giving someone a ride for ten bucks. But, on the other hand, applying the Kerry prostitute approach to terrorists would seem to leave rather a lot of them in place.


38 posted on 10/14/2004 7:39:58 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Pokey78; dighton; general_re

One of his best.


39 posted on 10/14/2004 7:40:23 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: Happy2BMe; PhilDragoo; devolve
So the choice of analogy is revealing and, as Kerry says, we’ve been here before. Every so often, back in the Nineties, al-Qa’eda blew up some military housing, a ship, a couple of embassies, etc., and the Clinton team shrugged it off as a nuisance. No matter how flamboyantly Osama bin Laden sashayed down the sidewalk in his fishnets and miniskirt he couldn’t catch the Administration’s eye.

LOL!



40 posted on 10/14/2004 7:44:37 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Pokey78

Words fail me.


41 posted on 10/14/2004 7:45:24 AM PDT by Tax-chick ( The old woman who lives in the 15-passenger van.)
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To: Bahbah

Exactly. I keep highlighting and hitting Ctrl-C, and then I move to the next paragraph and say Ooh-oohh no I'll highlight this one! And then by the time I get to the end I've chosen about 20 different things to say and just end up saying the same thing--

I LOVE STEYN!!


42 posted on 10/14/2004 7:49:14 AM PDT by lawgirl ("One life can be the proof of the hope that is You..." - Russ Lee - "Live What I Believe")
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To: lawgirl

"I LOVE STEYN!!"

He always causes me to ask myself, can you learn to write this well, or are you just born that way?


43 posted on 10/14/2004 7:52:01 AM PDT by Bahbah (Proud member of the pajamahadeen)
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To: Pokey78

Another brilliant piece . He gets it the way we get it.


44 posted on 10/14/2004 7:56:59 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (What did Kerry know and when did he know it?)
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To: DCPatriot

Because he can have more impact doing what he is doing. If he was connected to the GOP people could say he is just another GOP lacky.


45 posted on 10/14/2004 8:06:24 AM PDT by mombrown1
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To: Pokey78
I think the thing that amazes me most is that it's the liberal, who live in large cities, who want more than anything to pretend that terrorism is not the threat that it is. They will be the first targets, they are the ones who will die in their offices and restaurants with their Grande Latte' clutched in their hands.

I used to think it was because they hate America, I'm beginning to think it's because they hate themselves.

46 posted on 10/14/2004 8:10:33 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: N8VTXNinWV

Ping-a-rooski!


47 posted on 10/14/2004 8:11:17 AM PDT by shezza (Hello, my name is shezza and I am a FReepaholic.)
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To: marblehead17

This is awesome -- as usual.


48 posted on 10/14/2004 8:16:02 AM PDT by Darth Reagan (your lazy butts are in this too)
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To: Pokey78

Sweet mercy. At least a dozen grand-slam quotes to be had. Best Steyn Ever.


49 posted on 10/14/2004 8:33:42 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Pokey78

Pokey,

I'd dearly love to be on a Steyn ping list if that's what you're runnning. :-)

amp


50 posted on 10/14/2004 8:38:14 AM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side...... We have cookies!)
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