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Uprising/Revolution in Bolivia Breaking RIGHT NOW?!!!
Me | October 14, 2004 | Chicago Hebrew

Posted on 10/14/2004 4:17:07 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew

I'm writing this from an internet cafe in La Paz, Bolivia. About fifteen minutes ago, I started to hear what I think was gunfire and cannon fire from right outside the cafe. It was shortly followed by bullhorns booming and people chanting. The gunfire is intermittent now.

I have no idea what's happening.


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To: ChicagoHebrew

On the March : Aymara peasants march along a Bolivian altiplano road toward the capital La Paz near Panduro, La Paz, Bolivia. (AFP/Aizar Raldes)

Renewed protests loom in Bolivia

Thousands of Bolivian peasant farmers have begun marching on La Paz, calling for ex-President Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada to be put on trial.

The marchers blame him for the deaths of some 80 people last year in violent protests against government plans to export natural gas.

They also want Congress to give the state more power in the energy sector.

The march comes nearly a year after Mr Sanchez de Lozada, now in exile in the US, was forced to resign by the unrest.

The Bolivian Congress will meet on Wednesday to decide whether to open proceedings against Mr Sanchez de Lozada.

Two former members of the ex-president's cabinet may also face trial.

The marchers, who are being led by coca-growers' leader and opposition politician Evo Morales, are expected in La Paz at the weekend.

Backlash

Bolivia has the second-largest natural gas reserves in Latin America, and economists say exporting gas is the only way to pull the country out of poverty.

But Bolivia's impoverished indigenous Indian majority believe the export plan will merely benefit the country's wealthy elite.

They want the gas to be nationalised and made available exclusively to the Bolivian people.

The latest protest over the future of Bolivia's gas industry comes just days before the 17 October anniversary of Mr Sanchez de Lozada's resignation from the presidency last year.

It also comes as his successor, Carlos Mesa, is facing a political backlash against his efforts to defuse the controversial gas issue.

In July, Mr Mesa won a five-point referendum allowing more exports of the country's lucrative natural gas reserves.

But the wording of the referendum was so complicated that the Bolivian Congress has been able to put forward a very different interpretation of what it meant.

The economic development committee has now rewritten the government's draft energy bill, imposing harsher taxes on foreign companies investing in Bolivia's energy sector.

Government ministers have warned that if the bill passes in its present form, it will mean an end to all foreign investment.

A year old picture.

An injured man is wheeled away for help after being shot by army soldiers during a demonstration against former Bolivian President Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada on the outskirts of La Paz, in this file photo from October 12, 2003. Bolivia's Congress voted on October 14, 2004, to authorize the Supreme Court to try Sanchez de Lozada for the bloody repression against demonstrators that left 67 dead and some 200 injured, and ended in his resignation in October, 2003. REUTERS/Carlos Barria

101 posted on 10/14/2004 4:50:57 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: zarf

How many revolutions have they had in Bolivia? 100? 200?


102 posted on 10/14/2004 4:51:09 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: ChicagoHebrew

Stay safe


103 posted on 10/14/2004 4:51:27 PM PDT by Mo1 (The President's job is not to pass a global test, but to protect the American people.)
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To: ChicagoHebrew; All
EX-BOLIVIAN PRESIDENT TO BE TRIEDLA PAZ (Bolivia) - The Bolivian Congress voted early yesterday to put former president Gonzalo Sanchez de Lozada and 15 other members of his ousted Cabinet on trial on charges of genocide and embezzlement of state funds.

Sanchez de Lozada was forced to step down on Oct 17 last year, amid massive unrest triggered by the government's plan to export natural gas through Chile, a traditional foe, and general dissatisfaction with the country's economic condition.

Sanchez de Lozada, 74, now lives in the United States. He was replaced by his vice-president, Mr Carlos Mesa. -- AFP

104 posted on 10/14/2004 4:52:02 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve to keep us free.)
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To: nicollo

That reminds me. Once I was waiting for a plane in Dallas and saw Charles Nelson Reilly (waiting for a plane as well) in a bar so I decided to sit in. To make a long story short I later got on the wrong plane. When they found out I didn't belong on that plane I had to get my bag out of the upper compartment. There was a packet of suger lying on the shelf and when I slid my bag off it poured down a guys neck.


105 posted on 10/14/2004 4:52:20 PM PDT by openotherend
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To: unspun

Jimmy Carter should be forced at gunpoint onto a boat headed TO Cuba.


106 posted on 10/14/2004 4:53:26 PM PDT by BobS
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To: ChicagoHebrew

How many revolutions have they had in Bolivia...200? They cannot be made free and prosperous because they do not have the culture of freedom and prosperity. This latest exercize in futility will end in yet another dismal, backward country... again!


107 posted on 10/14/2004 4:53:45 PM PDT by broadsword (Weren't there a couple of giant Buddhist statues in Afghanistan? What happened to them?)
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To: Unknown Freeper
(Man, Freepers are everywhere!)

There was a Freeper "reporting" from aftermath of the August 2003 Mumbai bombing. I just can't find the thread.

108 posted on 10/14/2004 4:53:57 PM PDT by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: Radix
What the heck is a civilized person doing in Bolivia?

It is THE destination for climbers and backpackers who have tired of red tape, Maoist rebels and overcrowding in Nepal.

I've been there twice now, and will return when I have the chance.

109 posted on 10/14/2004 4:55:23 PM PDT by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: ChicagoHebrew

PRayers are being said for you right now.

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110 posted on 10/14/2004 4:58:10 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature
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To: zarf
Probably your standard South American coup attempt. Nothing to see here.

Aren't those annual events?

111 posted on 10/14/2004 4:58:48 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: wtc911
Possibly a democratic uprising?

Not likely, the organized pissed off group is the cocaleros who are marching on LaPaz to protest the government's plan to forcibly wipe out coca farming in three years.

Add the cocaine armies from Colombia who rely on Bolivia's coca and things are going to get very ugly.

Great! Now sKerry, Edwards littlehands and the MSM have something else to blame on Bush!

112 posted on 10/14/2004 4:59:53 PM PDT by ImProudToBeAnAmerican (Bill raped, Monica swallowed, Hillary totally sucks.)
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To: ChicagoHebrew

This is the way it works. Bolivia for the first time in its history has a legal natural resource that can put it on the map.

A few years ago, they developed their gas deposits, and built a 2000 mile long pipeline to Brazil to sell it. The pipeline puts thousands of people to work building it, and the income gives a bankrupt government some legal income.

But Brazil went into a recession, and has begun to develope its own gas deposits, and has stopped taking all the gas it was contracted to take. Bad news for Bolivia.

They decided that, rather than be tied to Brazil's business cycle, they would punch another pipeline out to the Pacific, and sell to the world. Thats when the trouble started. The Tribes and the NGOs that work with them decided that selling gas on the world market would enslave them. Their leaders (advised by Euro NGOs mind you) told the people that gas was alien to their culture, unlike coca which was authenticly Bolivian.

So the tribes and the coca farmers (mostly one and the same) rose up and tried to overthrow the government. Some of them were killed in the rioting, but the President was eventually forced to resign to restore peace. He is in the US.

He will be charged with murder for the deaths caused when the cocaleros tried to overthrow him.

Meanwhile, Chavez of Venezuela met with the leader of the revolt to encourage him to stay firm, which gave us the rather grotesque picture of the richest oil producer in the hemisphere encouraging the poorest country in the world to stay out of the oil and gas business. I have come to the conclusion that the NGOs and environmental groups that work with the tribes are funded by OPEC.


113 posted on 10/14/2004 5:05:19 PM PDT by marron
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To: Mo1; Grampa Dave; EdReform; Jim Robinson; Gabz; Fiddlstix; NormsRevenge; Brad's Gramma; steveegg; ..

FReepers on the ground ping


114 posted on 10/14/2004 5:05:47 PM PDT by glock rocks (posted from the very heart of Reagan country)
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To: zarf; ChicagoHebrew
Probably your standard South American coup attempt. Nothing to see here.

Bolivia is the country that had three presidents in one day...

Keep your head down, head for the consulate, if you know where that is and don't speak English.

Also a good idea to slip one of your id's into your shoe.

115 posted on 10/14/2004 5:09:14 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (There is no Chaos. Only very complicated Order. (Presenting Lady Snuggles of the Lethal Yew in PJ's!)
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To: pete anderson
Good call. During most Revolutions they don't let many people hang out in the cafes and sip coffee.

I sat out many a riot in a donut shop or coffee bar.

They slam down those big metal doors and you are as safe as is possible under those circumstances.

116 posted on 10/14/2004 5:13:11 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (There is no Chaos. Only very complicated Order. (Presenting Lady Snuggles of the Lethal Yew in PJ's!)
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To: TexKat

Bolivian soccer fans celebrate after the national team defeated Peru in their World Cup qualifier, at Hernando Siles stadium in La Paz, October 9, 2004. Bolivia won the match 1-0. REUTERS/Jose Luis Quintana

Street vendors march in downtown La Paz, Bolivia on Monday, Oct. 4, 2004. The protesters were marching against the La Paz city mayor's project of decreasing the size of their stands in the streets. (AP Photo/Dado Galdieri)

117 posted on 10/14/2004 5:17:12 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: ChicagoHebrew

Banana Republic coup...


118 posted on 10/14/2004 5:18:56 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: TommyDale

Political demonstrations are interesting. But as a traveller, they're one of the most dangerous situations you can get yourself into. Avoid temptation, and move directly away from any political demonstrations while abroad.


119 posted on 10/14/2004 5:22:09 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: ChicagoHebrew

Long way from Chicago. (Where such things only happen on election day.) Stay safe -- seriously.


120 posted on 10/14/2004 5:24:05 PM PDT by AmishDude (This space for rent.)
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To: cripplecreek

LMAO -Was that ever timely - but just spewed water all over my cat in my lap...now he is pezzzzzzzed off big time and used my bare leg to push off on.


121 posted on 10/14/2004 5:27:15 PM PDT by daybreakcoming ("The American press is all about lies! All they tell is lies, lies and more lies!",,,,,,Baghdad Bob)
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To: ChicagoHebrew

Prayers and hugs sent. Please be careful.


122 posted on 10/14/2004 5:29:39 PM PDT by Sunshine55 (Why would you choose the donkey to be the symbol for your party? Was the sheep already taken?)
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To: ChicagoHebrew
Well, on my way back to my hotel, I run into the big demonstration. I finally *think* I know what's going on. There's no revolution or coup, thank g-d. Apparently there were two simultaneous demonstrations tonight. The one I heard earlier consisted of indigeneous Bolivians marching to protest the government's development of the country's oil and gas resources. The two sounds I heard, which I thought were guns and cannons, were firecrackers being set off by the protestors, and blanks fired into the air by police to keep the crowd under control.

The second, bigger protest that I literally stumbled into was more peaceful and consisted of people opposing the former president, and celebrating his arrest or something.

I got some fantastic pics of that protest (when I stumbled upon it, I literally rushed in to buy a camera and film). They set a couple of bonfires up in the streets, had people carrying torches, and people dressed as the former president in a prison uniform locked in a cage.

I should be able to get the film developed in a few days, and I'll try to scan a few pics to get them digitized. If people are interested, I'd be happy to post my pics on this thread. I have no idea how to actually post pictures, so if someone would mind either telling me or pm-ing me their e-mail address so I can send them the pics to post, that'd be great. Just let me know if y'all are interested.

123 posted on 10/14/2004 5:38:12 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew
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To: wtc911

I can´t believe they'd actually eradicate coca farming totally. Something like 80% of the population chews coca or drinks coca tea (neither of which are narcotic), and the indigeneous people -- who are only partially Christian -- still view coca as sacred. Maybe they will just try to control it better?


124 posted on 10/14/2004 5:41:56 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew
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To: Pahuanui

Yup, I'm backpacking and hiking. Heading to Uyuni tommorow.


125 posted on 10/14/2004 5:45:30 PM PDT by ChicagoHebrew
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To: ChicagoHebrew
Yup, I'm backpacking and hiking. Heading to Uyuni tommorow.

The SW corner of the country is where it's at, friend.

126 posted on 10/14/2004 5:47:59 PM PDT by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears of the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: ChicagoHebrew

How's the coffee?


127 posted on 10/14/2004 6:03:38 PM PDT by Henchman (Kerry: No guts, No Glory, No way!)
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To: vbmoneyspender; ChicagoHebrew

that was my thought too!

seriously, CH, stay safe, better keep your head down and your tail too.


128 posted on 10/14/2004 6:24:25 PM PDT by F15Eagle
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To: marron

It's pathetic to think of those poor people too ignorant to realize that their "liberators" are actually enslaving them.


129 posted on 10/14/2004 6:31:43 PM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: ChicagoHebrew

Just another wedding party.


130 posted on 10/14/2004 6:33:35 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: nicollo
They gave me another drink once onboard....

Wow, next chance I get, I am going.

131 posted on 10/14/2004 6:35:16 PM PDT by Radix (What turns orange in Sept., is carved up in Oct., and is thrown out in Nov.?)
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To: ChicagoHebrew; wardaddy

!Usted es muy lejos de Chicago!
!Cuidado senor!


132 posted on 10/14/2004 6:43:32 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: marron
I have come to the conclusion that the NGOs and environmental groups that work with the tribes are funded by OPEC.

I'm thinking Venezuela funded it with the political organizational help of Cuba. Iran might have a hand in it too, being that IMO they might have become a small paymaster for Cuba in post-Soviet times.

133 posted on 10/14/2004 6:51:19 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: ChicagoHebrew
I can´t believe they'd actually eradicate coca farming totally. Something like 80% of the population chews coca or drinks coca tea (neither of which are narcotic), and the indigeneous people -- who are only partially Christian -- still view coca as sacred. Maybe they will just try to control it better?

___________________________________________

The official phrase was "forcibly eradicate" by 2008. It's a war.

134 posted on 10/14/2004 7:03:54 PM PDT by wtc911 (all zee children have mush!)
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To: Radix

You need a little adventure in your life, keyboard jockey? Tell you what, when you find it, I'll buy you an orange juice.


135 posted on 10/14/2004 7:11:33 PM PDT by nicollo
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To: ChicagoHebrew

I've watched several "protests" in the banana republics supposedly against the guv'ment which were organized by the same. It's an old trick. Latins are experts at populism. Too bad they suck at justice.

Not saying that's what this one is about, but you never know. Nothing happens by itself in these countries.


136 posted on 10/14/2004 7:15:09 PM PDT by nicollo
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To: ChicagoHebrew
Probably just a film crew shooting extra scenes for Motorcycle Diaries.

Ah, reminds me of the good ol' days of attempted coup d' etat in Buenos Aires...

Stay safe, CH. Cuídate.

137 posted on 10/14/2004 7:15:30 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I think John Kerry should be President.........of the European Union.)
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To: ChicagoHebrew

ChicagoHebrew, keep your head down and get somewhere safe.


138 posted on 10/14/2004 7:18:34 PM PDT by judicial meanz
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To: ChicagoHebrew
Something like 80% of the population chews coca or drinks coca tea (neither of which are narcotic), and the indigeneous people -- who are only partially Christian -- still view coca as sacred.

I'd say this protest is much larger than farmers and their tea.

Btw, have you seen the teeth of the cocoa chewer? Ain't pretty. The tea ain't so right, either. Not narcotic, but hardly benign.

139 posted on 10/14/2004 7:18:58 PM PDT by nicollo
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To: ChicagoHebrew
Could you bring me back some locoto or some aji de la mala palabra? That was some spicy stuff.

Screwed-up government, but Bolivians are some of the nicest, humblest people on the face of the earth. Well, outside of the soccer stadiums.

140 posted on 10/14/2004 7:20:53 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (I think John Kerry should be President.........of the European Union.)
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To: nicollo
You need a little adventure in your life, keyboard jockey?

I appreciate that offer of a bit of OJ.

I have had a lot of adventures over the years and always I am interested at the potential for more excitement. Perhaps I should consider South America as I have already seen a lot of the northern continent.

141 posted on 10/14/2004 7:21:05 PM PDT by Radix (What turns orange in Sept., is carved up in Oct., and is thrown out in Nov.?)
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To: marron

Extremely interesting post, thanks.


142 posted on 10/14/2004 7:21:28 PM PDT by Constitution Day (Burger-Eating War Monkey)
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To: Mount Athos

Hey, I was in Tiananmen Square in Beijing shortly before the massacre. I know.


143 posted on 10/14/2004 7:37:32 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: ChicagoHebrew

Uh. Wouldn't it be better to become Amish, get a nice buggy and settle down with a nice Amish girl on a big old farm and have a bunch of kids - in Pennsylvania? You could wear neat outfits with wide brim hats and suspenders. - R U O K?
Uh. Why are you in such an unruly place?


144 posted on 10/14/2004 7:38:34 PM PDT by Twinkie
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To: ChicagoHebrew

Isn't the internet amazing? Keep safe and thanks for the post! Going native is pretty exciting, no? ;)


145 posted on 10/14/2004 7:43:37 PM PDT by Libertina (10 Little Lying MSM Networks. CBS & ABC went down, soon there'll be none!)
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To: ChicagoHebrew
I'm writing this from an internet cafe in La Paz, Bolivia. About fifteen minutes ago, I started to hear what I think was gunfire and cannon fire from right outside the cafe. It was shortly followed by bullhorns booming and people chanting. The gunfire is intermittent now. I have no idea what's happening.

Maybe it's the futbol game against Argentina ...

146 posted on 10/14/2004 7:49:52 PM PDT by 11th_VA (John Kerry - America's first European ruler since King George)
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To: 11th_VA

Sounds like a typical futbol celebration.

I'm in Buenos Aires and if I wasn't so lazy right now I'd go check the bar scene down the street.

Anyway they played Chile last night so I doubt they are playing Bolivia tonight.


147 posted on 10/14/2004 8:42:18 PM PDT by estjohn
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To: marron

You can thank Chavez for this whole thing. One of Bush's worst decisions - actually, one of Colin Powell's worst decisions - was not to let the Venezuelan generals who had Chavez at the airport after the attempted rebellion either shoot him or fly him off to exile in some place like Antarctica.

He'll be causing or aiding and abetting trouble throughout Latin America as long as he's alive.


148 posted on 10/14/2004 8:46:46 PM PDT by livius
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To: marron

Will somebody please dig up Simon Bolivar, reanimate him, and give him enough troops to pacify the South American continent? We need that gas up here in the USA.

BTW, there's a town called Bolivar in upstate NY. Supposedly an impressive statue of Simon Bolivar in the local museum. Wonder what the connection is?


149 posted on 10/14/2004 8:57:16 PM PDT by Ostlandr (Nationalist, small-r republican, fiscal conservative, social liberal, pagan. NOT a Bush partisan!)
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To: Ostlandr

did anyone see kerry's sister down there ?


150 posted on 10/14/2004 9:17:55 PM PDT by kingattax (FreeRepublic leads...others follow)
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