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Dan Mongiardo Narrows Jim Bunning's Lead For Senate In KY
Survey USA ^ | October 7, 2004

Posted on 10/14/2004 4:37:09 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

Poll shows Bunning lead at 51% to 40%

(Excerpt) Read more at surveyusa.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: danmongiardo; jimbunning; kentucky; polls; senate2004; susa

1 posted on 10/14/2004 4:37:09 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Clintonfatigued

DU'ers are beginning to float the rumor that Bunning
has progressive dementia and will have to leave the race.


2 posted on 10/14/2004 4:40:08 PM PDT by dwilli
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To: Clintonfatigued

The DNC is throwing millions at Mongardio in an attempt to unseat Senator Bunning.

I say we let them believe they have a chance to win the race in Kentucky so that they can't spend as much in Oklahoma, Colorado, Florida, and North Carolina.


3 posted on 10/14/2004 4:40:21 PM PDT by okstate (I'm John Kerry, and I approved this message... before I decided against it.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Nearly a tie. Hide the kids.


4 posted on 10/14/2004 4:45:16 PM PDT by Elvis van Foster
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To: okstate; Clintonfatigued

"The DNC is throwing millions at Mongardio in an attempt to unseat Senator Bunning.

I say we let them believe they have a chance to win the race in Kentucky so that they can't spend as much in Oklahoma, Colorado, Florida, and North Carolina."



I agree. It would also help us in the three competitive House races in KY, since Democrats Miller, Clooney and Chandler would have to compete with Mongardio for scarce Kentucky Democrat dollars.


5 posted on 10/14/2004 4:45:43 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: dwilli
DU'ers are beginning to float the rumor that Bunning has progressive dementia and will have to leave the race.

So what! It hasn’t hurt Teddy’s Senate career.

6 posted on 10/14/2004 4:46:30 PM PDT by Screaming Eagle Red Leg
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To: Kuksool; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; fieldmarshaldj; zbigreddogz; Dan from Michigan; MplsSteve; ...

I know this poll is not immediate, but I live on the KY border, and Bunning has been damaged by gaffes and bad press. The DSCC is spending money there now.

Also, a Hart-Garin poll shows Bunning's lead at only 43% to 37%, but I'm skeptical the gap has closed that much.


7 posted on 10/14/2004 4:46:34 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: dwilli

Not that I know of. He was dropping of campaign signs and such the other day, and gave a speech at the Republican rally in Campbellsville last Saturday. His debate with the good Dr. was taped for broadcast, because Bunning was doing it from Washington. He's getting around quite well, and he's staying quite busy.

Here's a telling sign regarding Kerry. We just had a festival, and Kerry's people had a booth handing out stickers and signs. Within a couple of blocks of that booth, about 10 people have Mongiardo signs in their yard, but only 2 of those same people also have Kerry signs.


8 posted on 10/14/2004 4:48:36 PM PDT by TheLurkerX (Disenfranchised in a Presidential election? Call Kerry & Edwards, Liberals at Law.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I was told that the Taylor County area at least is still holding at about 61 percent Republican.


9 posted on 10/14/2004 4:50:34 PM PDT by TheLurkerX (Disenfranchised in a Presidential election? Call Kerry & Edwards, Liberals at Law.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Seems like there is a whisper campaign out against him.


10 posted on 10/14/2004 4:52:19 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: Clintonfatigued

They are absolutely out of their mind if they think they can win this race. I hope they spend $20 million trying though.


11 posted on 10/14/2004 4:59:08 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican; JohnnyZ; Kuksool

Mongiardo is a very slick and sleazy individual (remember, he was the same arrogant jerk who technically held 2 Senate seats in different parts of the state -- at the SAME time !) and will do anything at his disposal to depose Jim Bunning.


12 posted on 10/14/2004 5:09:29 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (*This Just In ~ Dan Rather's Penis Is A Forgery, Film At 11*)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Go #14. We still remember you in Detroit.


13 posted on 10/14/2004 5:31:31 PM PDT by DJ Frisat (Hand me the duct tape before my head explodes...)
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To: dwilli

It started with the Mongiardo campaign, not DU.

Mongiardo's people have been following Bunning around with TV cameras everywhere he goes from the time he gets up in the morning, in an effort to agitate him and get it caught on camera for use to spin it as him being senile.

They also have operatives attacking Bunning in all the little local newspapers in the letter to the editor pages, many of them not being from people actually living in the area of circulation.


14 posted on 10/14/2004 5:38:51 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: ambrose

They are spreading rumors he has Alzheimers.


15 posted on 10/14/2004 5:40:05 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: fieldmarshaldj

He said it was legal and was going to go forward with it for two years...but he ultimately decided it would be too much to handle (actually the Senate President said he would refuse to swear Mongiardo in that prompted him to cut it out).


16 posted on 10/14/2004 5:41:10 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
I live here in KY. Bunning will win, and it won't be close. I do think Bunning has made some mistakes the last few weeks. That is why the polls have closed. Bunning wouldn't debate him. Then agreed to, then ended up doing some kind of remote debate.

Bush wins big here too. KY has almost always been a R state nationally. But now we are even going R in the gov and house/senate. And the dems and MSM here are kicking and screaming at eveything. They spent 50 years getting us in a big mess, and won't give the new repub govenor 5 months to clean it up. Don't worry about Bush or Bunning. Worry about Ohio or the senate race in Alaska. Nothing to fear here in KY.

17 posted on 10/14/2004 5:50:41 PM PDT by gswilder
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To: gswilder

Yes, I know.

I'm focusing on State House races myself.


18 posted on 10/14/2004 6:00:21 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: gswilder
Here's the rumor: Bunning has dementia, and if he wins, he will resign and Fletcher will appoint himself to the Senate seat.

I work in Frankfort. My sense is that Mongiardo really could pull this off. Then again, I'm seeing 3 or 4 Kerry signs/bumber stickers for every Bush in my travels around Frankfort-Louisville-Lexington, yet Bush is up double digits in the polls. Very strange.

19 posted on 10/14/2004 6:02:25 PM PDT by stinkypew
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To: stinkypew

This poll is old, before a huge barrage of negative press last week. I'm a bit worried about this one now myself.


20 posted on 10/14/2004 6:04:51 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: stinkypew

I live in Lexington, and have only seen a few Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers or yard signs. Kentucky has a pretty solid track record voting for the repubs and it will stay that way.


21 posted on 10/14/2004 6:05:21 PM PDT by gswilder
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To: AuH2ORepublican

It's interesting that you brought up the House races. Congresswoman Anne Northrup (R-Louisville) was endorsed by ex-state Attorney General Chris Gorman, who ran against her in 1998. And the latest poll shows her lead over Tony Miller expanding to 54% to 41%.

Anne Northrup is savvy and tough. I just wish Bunning had retired and Northrup was the nominee to succeed him.


22 posted on 10/14/2004 6:10:42 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: gswilder
Northern Kentucky, with the highest proportion of Republicans in the state, went for a Dem (Lucas) a few years ago, and will probably pick Clooney this year. Chandler (another Dem) took Fletcher's seat last year.

I've got a really bad feeling. But that may be because I'm a Bengals fan, and it's football season.

23 posted on 10/14/2004 6:18:17 PM PDT by stinkypew
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To: Clintonfatigued

Miller has run probably one of the worst campaigns I have seen. He is appearing in ads attacking Northup himself -- a very bad political move.

He was potentially one of the most formidable opponents she would have faced -- he has been winning elections in that district far longer than she has. He blew it.

(It is Northup, not Northrup)


24 posted on 10/14/2004 6:26:48 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Clintonfatigued

An 11% lead is "narrowing"? More likely their latest poll had a few more Democrats than the previous one.


25 posted on 10/14/2004 6:28:26 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (The price of freedom is eternal vigilance)
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To: COEXERJ145

The previous poll by Survey USA gave Bunning a 24-point lead. now it's down to 11.

Though I don't live in Kentucky, I get Kentucky news. Bunning has committed some gaffes and the media there has given it extensive coverage. And ads attacking Bunning and plugging Mongiardo are on the air, the first time this year this has happened.

This race is no longer a sure thing.


26 posted on 10/14/2004 6:44:53 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Clintonfatigued

This poll, if you look at the dates, was also taken before the gaffes that got the extensive media coverage.


27 posted on 10/14/2004 7:11:04 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: fieldmarshaldj

"Here's the rumor: Bunning has dementia, and if he wins, he will resign and Fletcher will appoint himself to the Senate seat."



Have you noticed that lately governors keep getting accused of wanting to name themselves to the Senate? Tony Knowles, Ed Rendell, Mitt Romney, now Fletcher. Has a governor ever named himself to the Senate? If so, who and when?


29 posted on 10/14/2004 7:54:43 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
"Has a governor ever named himself to the Senate? If so, who and when?"

There has been a number of them since the founding of our nation (even when the legislature was electing Senators). The confusion tends to be whether they were "technically" appointed by themselves or whether they resigned and "instructed" the next person in line to the Governorship to "do the deed." Folks like NM Gov Edwin Mechem come to mind (appointed himself in '62), but he lost in the following election. SC Gov Donald Russell did the same in 1965, but lost renomination to Ernest Hollings the following year. In the case of Russell & Mechem, both sounded the death knell on their political careers (however both would be rewarded with judicial appointments later). I can't imagine why Fletcher would want to bail out so quickly if Bunning resigned, has he grown so weary of the job after not even a year ?

30 posted on 10/14/2004 10:03:14 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (*This Just In ~ Dan Rather's Penis Is A Forgery, Film At 11*)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Thanks for the info. I knew if anyone knew, it would be you.


31 posted on 10/15/2004 8:11:55 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican

More recently, Minnesota Governor Wendell Anderson got himself appointed to the Senate in 1977, when Walter Mondale became Vice President. Technically, his Lieutenant Governor (Rudy Perpich) appointed him, but everyone knew that Perpich was doing Anderson's bidding. It was thought that Anderson was popular enough to withstand any backlash. He wasn't--he lost to plywood magnate Rudy Boschwitz in 1978.


32 posted on 10/15/2004 8:44:04 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican

Ah, yes, that one slipped my mind. The MN 'Rats were bitch-slapped across the board in '78, losing both Senate seats that were up and Perpich losing the Governorship to longtime GOP Congressman Al Quie (though Perpich would have the last laugh reclaiming the office 4 years later). Not until here in TN in '94 was there a similar complete sweep.


33 posted on 10/15/2004 8:51:24 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (*This Just In ~ Dan Rather's Penis Is A Forgery, Film At 11*)
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To: Old Sarge

What is your sense about the Bunning/Mongiardo Senate race? Bunning seems to be slipping.


34 posted on 10/15/2004 9:05:36 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Clintonfatigued

You noticed that, eh?

They can't go after Fletcher, they can't defeat Northup, and it's not McConnell's turn. So they have to beat up on Bunning. And Bunning is giving them all the ammo they need.


35 posted on 10/15/2004 9:10:44 PM PDT by Old Sarge (K'nigget-Commander. Sergeant-At-Arms, Sentinel of Meetingplaces both Clandestine and Public.)
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To: stinkypew; gswilder; Republican Wildcat

I no longer convinced that GWB will carry this state. The unions have poured too much firepower into KY. They want a return on their investment, and they want it now.


36 posted on 10/15/2004 9:14:21 PM PDT by Old Sarge (K'nigget-Commander. Sergeant-At-Arms, Sentinel of Meetingplaces both Clandestine and Public.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

>>>> Mongiardo is a very slick and sleazy individual

I haven't lived in KY for a few years now and I am not very familiar with him. I was a lib until 9/11 and did know some WELL connected people up there.

If this guy loses and runs against McConnell next go 'round ... you may wish he had beaten Bunning.


37 posted on 10/15/2004 9:18:08 PM PDT by dubyain04jebin08and12
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To: Clintonfatigued

I'm looking at this race from a long-distance prespective and I wonder if this race could be the equivalent of the Boschwitz-Wellstone race in 1990.

Boschwitz raced wads of cash and ran an uncaring race against Wellstone. By the time Boschwitz realized there was a problem, they paniced and made bad last-minute decisions that cost them the election.

Trust me, I remember visiting Boschwitz's HQ several times in 1990 and I've never before (or since) met a group of more arrogant, over-confident asses.

I hope none of those people ever found jobs on a political campaign again.

if you're a Minnesota GOP'er, you know who I'm talking about.


38 posted on 10/15/2004 9:20:08 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: dubyain04jebin08and12

McConnell will never be defeated, you can take that to the bank. Mongiardo is only doing as well as he is against Bunning because of his mean-spirited attacks.


39 posted on 10/15/2004 10:30:44 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (*This Just In ~ Dan Rather's Penis Is A Forgery, Film At 11*)
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To: MplsSteve

This is definitely not the KY version of Boschwitz-Wellstone. Mongiardo doesn't have a fraction of the charm and likeability of the late Sen. Wellstone, he's an arrogant ass.


40 posted on 10/15/2004 10:33:19 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (*This Just In ~ Dan Rather's Penis Is A Forgery, Film At 11*)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

>>> McConnell will never be defeated, you can take that to the bank.

Don't get me wrong. I hope he won't, and I never saw anything first-hand. My point was that, based on what well-connected dems I knew well said they could prove, Senator McConnell can't take anything to the bank if he runs against a slimy, mean-spirited dirty-tricks operative.

I do have my suspicions that their "proof" is about as legit as Blather's National Guard documents ...


41 posted on 10/16/2004 10:11:12 AM PDT by dubyain04jebin08and12
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To: MplsSteve

In a few respects. The thing is, Bunning is a controversial politician who appeared to get lucky. Remember, he won the last election by less than 7,000 votes. He was facing a very tough race against then-Gov. Paul Patton. But Patton's zipper and arrogance destroyed his career. In the meantime, Bunning's aggressive fundraising scared off other 'Rats. (Ben Chandler is probably kicking himself for skipping this race). And when he drew a little-known state legislator, he became cocky. Some of the statements Bunning has made defy logic. And his mistakes, not any strength of Mongiardo's, created an opening. He's still favored, but any further gaffes could put this race in the doubtful catagory.

Like I said in a previous posting, I wish Anne Northup were the nominee instead of the aging Jim Bunning.


42 posted on 10/16/2004 6:05:08 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: dubyain04jebin08and12

Mitch McConnell will probably retire in 2008. He's had a series of serious health problems, and he's not getting any younger.


43 posted on 10/16/2004 6:06:44 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: Clintonfatigued

I guess we will have to see what the polls are next week.


44 posted on 10/16/2004 6:15:23 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: dubyain04jebin08and12

McConnell will only have token opposition, if any at all, in 2008.


45 posted on 10/16/2004 6:17:13 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Clintonfatigued

Like I said in a previous posting, I wish Anne Northup were the nominee instead of the aging Jim Bunning

I'm sorry but you obviously have never met or worked with Jim Bunning. We should all be so mentally functional and healthy at the age of 72.


46 posted on 10/20/2004 9:04:24 AM PDT by brothers4thID (I have knocked on door of this man's soul- and found someone home.)
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To: Clintonfatigued; All

Survey USA has a new poll out with Bunning up 15 points.


47 posted on 10/21/2004 7:10:53 AM PDT by brothers4thID (I have knocked on door of this man's soul- and found someone home.)
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To: dubyain04jebin08and12

I've lived in Ky 41 years, and I know who Daniel Mongiardo is. As a teenager, I used to buy beer & liquor from their "family store". Heck, all the kids from Knott Co (which is dry) knew they could get booze in Bulan at Mongiardo Liquors! I don't know if the ABC ever caught them, but they made lots of money from My friends & I. I just wonder why none of this has ever come out.


48 posted on 10/24/2004 6:47:37 AM PDT by kycountryboy
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