Skip to comments.Kerry's Balkan Policy May Defeat Him
Posted on 10/14/2004 8:47:35 PM PDT by MegaSilver
There is a bloc of voters that may easily decide the forthcoming election. A little over a million Serbian-Americanstheir exact number is uncertain but this is a conservative estimateare likely to vote this year in greater numbers than ever before. The significance of this group becomes obvious if we look at its geographic distribution. After Chicago, the main Serbian-American centers are Pittsburgh, PA; Cleveland, OH; and Milwaukee, WI. There are thousands of retirees in Florida and sizeable pockets in St. Louis (MO) and suburban New Jersey. In each of those states the size of the community exceeds the likely margin of victory for either candidate on November 2.
In the past this was not a homogenous voting bloc. The old Serbian diaspora in the Rust Beltthird and fourth-generation, often unionizedwas sympathetic to the Democrats, while most post-1945 anti-Tito émigrés and their descendents tended to support the GOP on the account of its more solid anti-communist credentials. This time, however, both these groups will be united against Senator John Kerry. As serbsforbush.com explains, "Serbian Americans believe a Bush administration will have the integrity and wisdom to pursue even-handed and objective policies with respect to their ancestral homeland." As individuals many Serbian-Americanssteel mill retirees and yuppies alikedisagree with some aspects of President Bush's policies, but as members of the community they take note of the fact that John Kerry's foreign policy is being molded by Clinton's veterans whose zeal for anti-Serb interventions has been abundantly proven.
On his web site Senator Kerry says of the Balkans, "We will continue to support the ethnic re-integration of Bosnia" and "The people of Kosovo must be able to determine their own future." "Re-integration of Bosnia" is the code for the revision of the Dayton Agreement and the liquidation of the Republika Srpska demanded by the Muslims. "Self-determination" is the code for Kosovo's independence.
Candidate Kerry declared last month, "Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator who deserves his own special place in hell, but that was not, in itself, a reason to go to war." Six years earlier, however, Senator John Forbes Kerry voted Yes to S Con Res 21 (introduced by Biden, D-DE, the "Kosovo Resolution") to authorize the war against Yugoslavia, which was adopted 58-41 on March 23, 1999.
Last summer Mr. Kerry sent a vacuous note to the Serbian National Federation in Pittsburgh, ending it in Serbian with "Ziveli i mnogaja ljeta!" ("Long life and many years," a traditional Serbian greeting). One week later, however, he addressed a much longer and politically binding message to the Albanian-American community (July 23, 2004) in which he said he was proud to receive support from Albanians, promised to takcle the final status of Kosovo immediately, and attacked the Bush administration for "turning its back" on the region:
"The people of Kosovo must be able to determine their own future, including how they want to be governed . . . Continued delaywhich is all the Bush administration has offeredhardens the positions of extremists on all sides . . . I will need your help in building the support we will need in Congress and with the American people to carry out this historic task . . . I am proud that we will, together, help make real the dream of Albanians, of Americans, of our allies."
The KLA chief Hashim Thaci was subsequently invited to the Democratic National Convention, which in itself was scandalous. On his return to Pristina declared: "It was confirmed once again that a Democratic administration would recognize and respect the will of the people of Kosova [sic!] for self-determination."
"People are policy," they say in Washington, and history suggests that ârange of opinion' will shape a new president's foreign policy as much as the specific ideas the candidate advances during the campaign. Richard Holbrooke, who infamously called Serbs "murderous assholes" (in an interview with Ted Koppel, Nov. 6, 1995), is slated for a top diplomatic post if Kerry is elected. Another candidate for Powell's office is Senator Joseph Biden, who sponsored the Senate resolution (March 23, 1999) authorizing Clinton to bomb Serbia. James Rubin, Albright's chief propagandist during the Kosovo war, is Kerry's senior foreign policy advisor. General Wesley Clark is also an advisor to Kerry, and tipped to be a likely successor to Donald Rumsfeld. While commanding the military campaign against Serbia he bombed civilian targets and presided over the massive use of depeleted uranium weapons. "He would rise out of his seat and slap the table. âI've got to get the maximum violence out of this campaignnow!'" (The Washington Post, 21 September 1999)
Then there's Dr. Ronald D. Asmus, Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs under Albright and now Kerry's foreign policy advisor, who says that the "unfinished business in the Balkans" is the most pressing foreign policy issue and who hailed the decision "to wage a war to stop Serbian aggression in Kosovo" as the defining moment for NATO. There's Will Marshall, also Kerry's foreign policy advisor, who enthuses over "the exemplary nature of the 1999 U.S.-led intervention in Kosovo"a policy that, he says, was "consciously based on a mix of moral values and security interests with the parallel goals of halting a humanitarian tragedy and ensuring NATO's credibility." There's Philip James, former senior Democratic Party strategist, who says that Abu Ghriab was "sickeningly reminiscent of the darkest days of Serbian supremacy in the Balkans." The list is long, but the quotes are all alike. As The New York Times noted (April 11, 2004) Kerry's foreign policy advisors are more hawkish than most Democrats: "He routinely consults [with] Biden, Berger and Holbrooke Potential secretaries of State Biden and Holbrooke, for instance, were leading advocates of military intervention against Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic during the 1990s Many of the key figures around Kerry staunchly supported the Kosovo war."
In brief, Serbian-American voters are aware that an incoming Kerry regime would seek to "finish the job" in the Balkans by dismembering Serbia, recognizing Kosovo's "independence", encouraging Montenegro's secession, destroying Republika Srpska, and "internationalizing" the crisis (non-existent for now, but certain to be duly procured) in Vojvodina and the Sanjak.
Kerry's proposed Balkan policy is reckless in the extreme, and it should be a matter of concern not only to the ethnic group most adversely affected, but also to all Americans who are sick and tired of foreign adventuresby either partythat are not related to this country's security interests. Kerry wants to unleash a chain reaction he won't be able to control. If Kosovo is granted independence on the grounds that a geographically compact ethnic minority is entitled to secession, will the Albanians in Macedonia not demand the same right, based on the same model? Theoretically, the Hungarians in Rumania, who are more numerous than Kosovo's Albanians, could also invoke it. What will stop the Russians in the Ukraine (Crimea), in Moldova, in Estonia, and in northern Kazakhstan from following suit? What about the Turks in Thrace, and the chronically unstable and unviable Dayton-Bosnia, to mention but some of the European dominos that may fall in the wake of Kosovo's evolution under NATO? And finally, will the same apply when the Mexicans in southern California, New Mexico, Arizona, or Texas eventually outnumber their Anglo neighbors and start demanding bilingual statehood, leading to reunification with Mexico?
Kerry's advocacy of Kosovo's independence would reward mass ethnic cleansing and murder, carried out on a massive scale by the Albanians ever since the beginning of the NATO occupation four years ago. It would condone the principle that an ethnic minority's plurality in a given locale or region provides grounds for that region's secessiona precedent that may yet come to haunt America in the increasingly mono-ethnic and mono-lingual Southwest. It would terminally alienate the Serbs, whose cooperation is crucial to making the Balkans finally stable and peaceful, at a time when American energy, money and manpower is more pressingly needed further east. It would create an inherently unstable polity that will be an even safer haven for assorted criminals and Islamic extremists than it is today. It would re-ignite the war in neighboring Macedonia, where the current semblance of peace is absolutely predicated upon the continuing status quo in Kosovo. Last but not least, it would commit the United States to continuing the Clinton-Gore "nation-building" Balkan obsession that culminated with the bombing of Serbia in 1999an illogical, immoral, and utterly untenable rearrangement of the regional architecture which it would be in America's interest to reverse, not ratify and make semi-permanent.
The Serbian-American community is determined to deny Senator Kerry an opportunity to pursue policies that would be destablizing to peace and stability in the Balkans, catastrophic to the interests of their ancestral land, deeply detrimental to the reputation of the United States, and contrary to all American ideals.
The Serbs were wronged by the US, badly.
Muslims started the butchering, we should have let the Serbs alone to fix THIER muslim problem.
Are we going to side with the muslims in France when that country deteriorates into the same situation as Checkoslovakia(sp?)?
Or Holland? Or Germany? Or any western nation? Eventually, maybe measured in generations, it will be so here in the US.
We already see the contempt the elitist cities on the coasts hold for "flyover country". The muslims are coming, and will join with the leftists to destroy America.
Remember the Winter Olympics in Saraejevo(sp?)? How long did it take for that country to descend into chaos. Due to the madness that is islam. Look what islam has done everywhere it's followed. Just look, and try telling yourself it's a noble, peaceful, enlightened religion. If you can convince yourself of that, then you and yours will deserve the death the muslims have planned for you.
Sorry meant to post to all. Not a personal attack.
I went to the website listed in the article & thanked them for supporting our President in the upcoming election.
The United Nations Security Council
did not authorize the use of force, in this matter.
Can anyone say 'Global Test'.
It would be really DELICIOUS if Kerry lost a close election due to the Serbian-American vote!!!!
Two words: "Psephologically insignificant".
SAT word ping.
LOL. It is ludicrous, and there really is no evidence that American Serbs, who tend to be Dem, while the Croats tend to be Pubbie, are voting on this issue (non issue). If Croats really believed that Kerry would "dismember" Serbia, look for them to vote for Kerry. Voinovich is a Serb by the way. Interesting - not.
If I recall, the Serbs were killed in the millions by the Croatian Ustashis and Bosnian Muslims, who both collaborated with the Nazis. There were two Muslim SS divisions setup by SS leader Heinrich Himmler, a friend and admirer of Islam. The Ustashis and Hanjar SS were very barbaric and brutal. Sadly, many Ustashis never saw justice and fled to Argentina with the help of Juan and Evita Peron. The Hanjar SS division fled to Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq.
I just read "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by Shirer which only touched on the muzzie connection. It didn't go into detail on it though. Can you point me to a book on it? I have an idea about how deep that connection was, but I'd like to know alot more about it.
Not necessarily. When they find out that their dreams of socialism and homosexual porn are in danger, Leftists will quickly join the resistance against the Islamic movement. Remember, after all, that Milosevic WAS a member of the Communist Party and in his youth had been a public opponent of nationalism.
The millions figure is gross hyperbole. There were about 6K or so Croats and Muslims in SS "divisions." They were very ineffectual for the Nazis. Tito slaughtered many more Serbs actually than the ethnic SS "divisions" did, those who supported the king, and actually slaughtered many more Croats and Muslims that the SS divisions did. In any event, fighting old wars, rather than dealing with the present is a dead end. I hope Serbia is absorbing that. I think they are, I hope they are, but I am not sure. Most of Europe has got out of the business of worrying about borders. One hopes the Balkans follow suit.
What do the athiests, condom-throwers, screeching feminists, abortion enthusiasts, Hollywood drunks, single welfare-mothers, race hustlers, and all the rest of the losers, weirdos, parasites and weaklings who make up the base of the Democrat party care about the Balkans?
You should check out Chuck Morse's book "The Nazi Connection to Islamic Terrorism: Adolf Hitler and Haj Amin Al-Husseini". I never have read the book or seen it at a book store. I like to read it though. Amazon has it though. This book deals solely with the Nazis/Muslim connection. Another book you should read is Simon Wisenthal's "The Murderers Among Us". It talks about many Nazis had Arabic names and passports from Muslim countries, mainly from Egypt and Syria. They were often living in South America, like Argentina and Uruguay mostly. It also talks of thousands of Nazis fleeing to the Middle East. John Loftus's "The Secret War Against the Jews" talks of the Communist, Nazis, and Muslim connection. Communsists, particularly Kim Philby smuggled Nazis into the Middle East as a way to discredit democracy and America. It talks of Nazis fleeing to Palestine. What always got to me, is why no one publicizes about Nazis fleeing to the Middle East. I estimate tens of thousands of Nazis/Nazis collaborators fled to Muslim countries, like Egypt, Syria, Iran, Palestine, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia. I know more Nazis fled to South America like Argentina, Paraguay, and Brazil.
Tito was a Croatian.
Slavs were definitely a favorite target of the Nazis.
Anyway, I'm not sure about the specific outcome of the incident or the collaboration of Bosniaks, but I do know that Himmler was indeed a critic of "soft" Christianity and praised Islam for its masculinity and martiality. I also know that Hitler romanticized it enough to ally with the Persians--the original Aryans (hence the name "Iran": "land of the Aryans").
But back to Serbia. I do know that in the fascist Independent State of Croatia (which was actually a puppet state for the Axis powers, who occupied the country and then propped up the Ustae movement), Slavko Kvaternik demonized the Serbs because of their repressive Yugoslav king. Also, at the time, its boundaries included what is now Bosnia. I don't know what was up with the Bosniaks, but I do know that the Ustae envisioned the following plan: kill 1/3 of the Serbs, "convert" another 1/3 to Roman Catholicism [at gunpoint], and expel the rest. Not sure how far they got on this before we went in and kicked their *ss*s.
I may have been wrong on this: it was actually "Kill 1/2, convert 1/4, and expel another 1/4." It is difficult to tell just how many they killed in actuality. A whole lot of people died on that continent, after all.
I know the Nazis hated Slavic people, just as much as the Jews. Many Slavs were killed by the Nazis, even more then Jews I have read. The funny thing is that Slavs are more likely to be blonde hair and blue eyes, more so then the Germans. As for Nazis wanting to ally with the Persians, that does not surprise me. Iran is Farsi for Aryan. I know many Nazis fled to Iran after World War II. I believe mostly SS and Nazis collbarators.
Half Slovenian I think as well, but I could be wrong. In any event, he was a Communist first, and had no ethnic agenda per se. He just killed his opponents without any ehtnic bigotry, and he killed a lot of them.
I read Tito was full bled Croatian. Anyways, he was a commie like you said. Commies kill period.
I sense a bit of sarcasm here. If not, keep in mind that only about 4% of Europeans consider themselves "European" first. The rest think of themselves as "French," "German," "Irish," "Italian," etc. European nations do still survive, in spite of their governments attempts to destroy the nation-state. And that is precisely why the envisioned "United States of Europe" will never come to pass. The EU will die. It is not a matter of "if," but "when."
On the Balkans specifically, it would help to remember that the whole Land of the South Slavs ("Yugoslavia") WAS united under one banner, and it ended up splitting up. That is exactly what will happen if Europe tries to melt itself together completely.
Europe is giving its regions great autonomy (Scotland et al), and of course Czechoslovakia self rendered peacefully. Nobody cares there about borders within the EU, there is free movement of peoples in the EU (the Krauts are moving back into the Sudetenland), and many decisions now are made centrally in the EU.
I am glad that Serbian Americans are starting to organize. It was about time.
I don't know if it's accurate to say that they hated Slavs more than Jews. It's important to remember that, proportionally speaking the amount of Slavs killed would have been less than the number of Jews killed even if the raw number was greater. The Poles certainly fared far better under the Nazis than did the Jews.
Of course, the Poles were Catholic. It's possible (and wouldn't surprise me) if Germany had a particular ire against Orthodoxy as well. I really ought to read up on it some more.
Anyway, from a moral standpoint, it hardly matters. Even if we grant that the Slavs fared slightly better than the Jews under the Nazi regime, to call them "privileged" would be akin to calling the Jews under the Ottomans "privileged" because they were tormented slightly less than the Christians.
The funny thing is that Slavs are more likely to be blonde hair and blue eyes, more so then the Germans.
Maybe they were jealous. :)
As for Nazis wanting to ally with the Persians, that does not surprise me. Iran is Farsi for Aryan. I know many Nazis fled to Iran after World War II. I believe mostly SS and Nazis collbarators.
The internet is a wonderful thing. I am pleased that my incipient senility is still incipient.
I know what you mean. You're not the only Serb I've encountered who feels that way, either.
I was so ashamed of my country during the US bombing campaign in Yugoslavia. The lies, misrepresentations, and carnage was horrifying.
You know, actually, I'm not a big fan of Bush either, and I was planning to vote for Peroutka until a Serbian friend of mine alerted me to Kerry's platform on Kosovo. I wanted to kill Bill Clinton for forcing me to choose between voting my conscience and casting my vote in the direction that might be my only hope for my fellow Christians. I calmed down after a bit of prayer and pasta, but it still almost makes me want to cry.
Oh OK. Anyways, Tito is a bad man.
You obviously don't live in Europe.
"Serbian Americans for Bush"-Ping
You guys don't now what that means for me...
TOOOOOOOO.....BRACO I SESTRE....!!!
while talking with 2 albanians in southern serbia, near Presevo, they committed they love Kerry and hate Bush.
Bush can most likely expect the support of Macedonian-Americans too as they too are concerned about Kerry's support to the Albanians. They are well aware of what Kerry winning would mean for their ancestral homeland. Although I don't know how large the Macedonian-American population is, I'm sure that together with the Serbian-Americans they can cause quite blow to Kerry.
That says it all....
Every Freeper should know this that Clinton's terrorist buddies the KLA, support Kerry
Do you guys know this site ????
didn't he try to keep it going even after the war ended ?
yes and yes.
Yes, you are wrong, but correctness is irrelevant let's just say that the Ustashe envisioned the following plan: kill 1/3 of the Serbs, "convert" another 1/3 to Roman Catholicism [at gunpoint], and expel 1/3
for more details about Croatian crimes against Serbs see the following link
When Serbian Americans take things serious, in this case this took 14 years to realize they are a viable voting block Good bye Mr. Kerry or should I say Clintons clone
Kosovo Resolution for Independence Dropped!, Serbian Unity Congress, October 14, 2004
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Add to this Greeks, Armenians, Russian Jews and some others - and Kerry will loose.
Unfortunately I think most American Armenians live in California or Massachusetts. And they've voted reliably Democratic thusfar.
While I appreciate your contributions, I must say that I am a Roman Catholic and I find that site *highly* insulting.
Perhpas you mean Yugoslavia???
yugoslovakia then =P
You're right of course.
It is irrelevant that you are Catholic in this context; the content on that site is very accurate and verifiable
that is the link I provided or the e-book titled The Vatican's Holocaust - Revealed at Last! by Avro Manhattan, all information in the e-book are derived from existing documents, Vatican sources, and pictures, which are public information, it is just that author/publisher waited 50 years to publish the facts about that unfortunate part of Vatican history. What would be insulting is to dismiss it based on the fact that it points the wrongs done by the Catholic Church at that time, during WWII; this is part of history and not up for interpretation or revision.
Perhaps it is not the content that is insulting to you, perhaps it is the site that contains the information if that is the case please look at the site below and this author, maybe you will find this author and this academic study of Vaticans digressions more palatable.